Gun guys!

[LAM]

I need to get a shoulder/folding stock for the glock-18 so my girl can shoot it.

 

[Paranoid Fitness]

I just successfully negotiated a deal for my third GE mini-gun.
I am going to have to put the quad 50 on hold for now.

My next project will look something like this:

or this:

Everybody at the next Knob Creek shoot will be drooling...
Some of them may even get erections.
​

 

[LightBearer]

How about just toughen the penalty for thoes caught with an illegal firearm. I guarantee that if you start sentencing raheem and shameek with 20years for possessing a stolen/illegal/unlicensed firearm, their friends would start thinking twice about doing It.

 

[Zaphod]

How about just toughen the penalty for thoes caught with an illegal firearm. I guarantee that if you start sentencing raheem and shameek with 20years for possessing a stolen/illegal/unlicensed firearm, their friends would start thinking twice about doing It.

Probably not. They are indeed that stupid.

 

[LightBearer]

Probably not. They are indeed that stupid.

Youre right

 

[jay_steel]

Now hold on, you're talking a Glock reload vs. a single stack 1911 reload. Yeah, my money would be on the Glock but, that's like racing a Top fuel dragster against a '77 Pinto. Definitely apples to oranges comparison.

On the other hand, I carry either a double stack Para-Ordnance or STI 1911. I'm not too shabby when it comes to reloads. Not taking you up on your bet, just comparing apples to apples.

The 1911 is by far the best handgun to operate in a controlled environment. It is the most accurate and bad ass guns among pistols, however I would NEVER carry one into combat, There are just to many operating parts that can get jammed up. I have NEVER had a malfunction with a glock or "glock style" weapon. However, I have had many malfunctions with a 1911. Not enough to write about and bitch, but 1 malfunction is 1 to many when your being shot at.

I want an STI 1911 bad for competition target shooting.

Fact my grouping with a 1911 is practically through the same hole and I could never do that on purpose with a glock, but when you want to kill some one center mass is center mass no matter if they are 1 or 2 inches apart.

 

[LAM]

How about just toughen the penalty for thoes caught with an illegal firearm. I guarantee that if you start sentencing raheem and shameek with 20years for possessing a stolen/illegal/unlicensed firearm, their friends would start thinking twice about doing It.

and on the other side of that they also need to hammer the licensed gun dealers that funnel those weapons to the streets. there is only a handful of them in the States that provide the vast majority of guns used in street crimes and this is per the ATF and DOJ.

remember the Pareto Principle or the 80/20 Rule. 20% of the criminals commit 80% of the crimes.

 

[Paranoid Fitness]

As stated over and over by responsible gun owners, gun rights advocacy groups, licensed FFL dealers and conservative politicians across the country...

Stop writing gun-control legislation, quit passing new gun-control laws, just do something to actually ENFORCE the laws that are already on the books.

There are way more gun-control laws than are needed. Unfortunately, prosecutors, judges and parole boards keep letting offenders back onto the streets well before they've served their sentences putting everyone at risk in the process.

Fuck three strikes and you get life...I say three strikes and you get death.

 

[240PLUS]

Your full of shit to LAM. That piece is going for about 3 grand black market. Your talking beyond 3 grand if you purchase it lagit with a class 3 license.

Just sayin

 

[240PLUS]

I just successfully negotiated a deal for my third GE mini-gun.
I am going to have to put the quad 50 on hold for now.

My next project will look something like this:

God I'm getting a Jewish hard on. I like the later of the picture. Looks like an M113 ? That's a lot of hardware
or this:

Everybody at the next Knob Creek shoot will be drooling...
Some of them may even get erections.
​

God I'm getting a hard on.

 

[240PLUS]

Over priced

 

[LAM]

Your full of shit to LAM. That piece is going for about 3 grand black market. Your talking beyond 3 grand if you purchase it lagit with a class 3 license.

Just sayin

when you know people in the NSA, CIA, FBI and sell arms you can get anything. I have tons of shit i'm not supposed to have, you don't go through security when you are active SF at least we didn't back in the early 90's. when I found out the government doesn't abide by it's own rules I stopped obeying their rules. you think I give a fuck about a class 3 license?

 

[LAM]

and the G-18 was a gift, but I would pay double that any day of the week. if you know the right people getting full auto arms is as easy as a phone call. I know dudes in the secret service down to the hells angels in Philly and MS-13 in Minnesota.

 

[jay_steel]

 

[ALBOB]

The 1911 is by far the best handgun to operate in a controlled environment. It is the most accurate and bad ass guns among pistols, however I would NEVER carry one into combat, There are just to many operating parts that can get jammed up. I have NEVER had a malfunction with a glock or "glock style" weapon. However, I have had many malfunctions with a 1911. Not enough to write about and bitch, but 1 malfunction is 1 to many when your being shot at.

I want an STI 1911 bad for competition target shooting.

Fact my grouping with a 1911 is practically through the same hole and I could never do that on purpose with a glock, but when you want to kill some one center mass is center mass no matter if they are 1 or 2 inches apart.

Yep unreliable due to too many moving parts, that must be why all the SpecOps forces carry them.

 

[240PLUS]

when you know people in the NSA, CIA, FBI and sell arms you can get anything. I have tons of shit i'm not supposed to have, you don't go through security when you are active SF at least we didn't back in the early 90's. when I found out the government doesn't abide by it's own rules I stopped obeying their rules. you think I give a fuck about a class 3 license?

ATF will my friend. Be careful with that shit. If you do have that Glock 18, awesomeness. I would love to own one, but I don't have that kind of cash.

 

[240PLUS]

SPAS 12, Love to love it long time.

 

[Zaphod]

Yep unreliable due to too many moving parts, that must be why all the SpecOps forces carry them.

They do? SEALs have been using Sigs.

 

[LAM]

ATF will my friend. Be careful with that shit. If you do have that Glock 18, awesomeness. I would love to own one, but I don't have that kind of cash.

only 3 people have seen that weapon since I got it in '89 it doesn't come out from it's "secret spot" much. in terms of US gov agency's I've been around folks that work in the my entire life, and I'm not scared of a single one of them nothing but goons with badges and guns big deal.

 

[jay_steel]

Yep unreliable due to too many moving parts, that must be why all the SpecOps forces carry them.

I serve and continue to serve and have deployed with MANY "SpocOps" including AUS SAS... I can tell you this just because some one carries it does not make it more reliable. Saying that just proves how little you know about guns. I never once said they are horrible gun, but on my last tour no one carried a 1911 due to jamming issues. I can tell you the only reason my most seals, sf, rangers, and ect carry them purely out of preference, not because of reliability. Many personally feel more comfortable with a gun they know they can shoot better and equally know it is not as reliable. It has been proven time and time again that the 1911 is the perfect competition gun, but not the perfect combat gun. I have tested this in kuwait under those conditions many times.

 

[jay_steel]

only 3 people have seen that weapon since I got it in '89 it doesn't come out from it's "secret spot" much. in terms of US gov agency's I've been around folks that work in the my entire life, and I'm not scared of a single one of them nothing but goons with badges and guns big deal.

There are many rumors of farmers that have secret rooms underground in their shops loaded with guns. It is one of those wise tails that many of them are stashing cash and guns under machining equipment. Even as far fetched as this sounds, many of the farmers I work with I would not hold it past them.

 

[ALBOB]

I serve and continue to serve and have deployed with MANY "SpocOps" including AUS SAS... I can tell you this just because some one carries it does not make it more reliable. Saying that just proves how little you know about guns. I never once said they are horrible gun, but on my last tour no one carried a 1911 due to jamming issues. I can tell you the only reason my most seals, sf, rangers, and ect carry them purely out of preference, not because of reliability. Many personally feel more comfortable with a gun they know they can shoot better and equally know it is not as reliable. It has been proven time and time again that the 1911 is the perfect competition gun, but not the perfect combat gun. I have tested this in kuwait under those conditions many times.

Whatever you say.

 

[jay_steel]

^^^ your the one that says the 1911 is the best combat and carry gun... just saying... I do believe it is the best made gun to shoot and the most beautiful pistol period, but would never enter combat with it. If I am going into combat I do not want a safety on my pistol period, being in many combat related instances, luckily never had to use my pistol. I would never even want to think about having to take the spit second to worry if the dirt that I am covered in is going to affect my gun, or if I am going to be able to engage quick enough due to having a safety.

Home defense 1911 is perfect or for target shooting. Just bad ass and every man should own one.

The gun i carry will be able to withstand ANY THING... bad weather, dirt, mud, water, impact. period.

 

[ALBOB]

^^^ your the one that says the 1911 is the best combat and carry gun...

You'd be hard pressed to show where I ever said that. I was simply disputing your claim that it's unreliable due to too many moving parts.

In reality this is nothing more than a Ford vs. Chevy argument. The "best" gun is whichever one you can hit your target with. I've trained with 1911s for 25 years. I'm comfortable with them and can hit my target so that's my weapon of choice. If you're more comfortable with another platform then that's what's right for you. I just hope that if shit ever hits the fan you and I are fighting on the same side.

 

[jay_steel]

i agree, now hitting a target in a controlled environment like a home with no dirt or ect. I own a 1911 and LOVE it, it is my favorite gun to shoot. However, i would never buy a 1911 built to conceal, or take on deployment. When it comes down to my life I want to know my best odds of my gun firing. Even my brother in laws 3k$ STI malfunctions a few times when we first start shooting. I have never had an XD, Glock, or Khar have a single issue.

 

[ALBOB]

i agree, now hitting a target in a controlled environment like a home with no dirt or ect. I own a 1911 and LOVE it, it is my favorite gun to shoot. However, i would never buy a 1911 built to conceal, or take on deployment. When it comes down to my life I want to know my best odds of my gun firing. Even my brother in laws 3k$ STI malfunctions a few times when we first start shooting. I have never had an XD, Glock, or Khar have a single issue.

I've had a lot of back up carry guns but, the only gun I've ever had as my primary has been a Para Ord P-12 that I bought and started carrying in 1993. I've put multiple thousands of rounds through it in the past 20 years and have not had one single malfunction.

Again, I'm not trying to say one is better than another, simply what I'm comfortable with if my life is on the line.

 

[jay_steel]

i am getting ready to buy the para ord warthog to keep in my car when driving out of town.

 

[ALBOB]

If you do, go to Wolff Gun Springs and get a set of extra power magazine springs. The only bad thing I've ever heard about Para has been the crappy steel they use for their mag springs. I have the P-12 and a P-14. I've replaced the springs in all my mags and they've always run flawlessly. I don't know if the factory springs are/were as bad as I was told but, I figured the few $$$ for upgraded springs was worth the extra insurance.

 

[jay_steel]

yea, this is after I finish my newest AR... I got a VLTOR upper and Charles daly lower i need to finish. Just thinking about the configuration. 16 noveske barrel and trigger still doing work on. I am going to be using this in a 3 gun contest.

 

[ALBOB]

SaWEET!!!! I just picked up a Wilson Combat Super Sniper with a Leupold 3.5 x 10 tactical scope. It'll do nothing but punch holes in paper a LONG way away for the rest of its life but, that's what makes me smile.

What other guns you using in 3-gun?

Besides the cowboy competitions I do, I occasionally shoot in a local steel plate match. STI Eagle 5.0 .45 ACP.