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Hello everyone I am new here...I am a member of a few other boards but this one looks really helpful...on to my questions

I am on my 1st cycle-

test e 1-12 -500mg a week
test p 1-4 50 mg eod AS A KICKER 1-4

Currently on day 6 and I am bloating pretty bad...I dont want the gynoz. I was 213 two days ago and now 220!!! Should I start ADEX at .5 ml EOD?

Diet is low carbs high protein moderate to high fat...trying to keep sodium down too Really self conscious about weight I hate the scale...I used to weigh 300lbs and got down to 193.

oh yeah

stats- 6'0
bf%-18
weight-213lbs start currently 220!

Thanks everyone!

edit: I was using formeron at 2 pumps a day but I dont think it cutting it.
 
Welcome to IMF.
Thank you for posting stats.

Adex should be utilized sparingly.
You need some estrogen which comes with some bloat.

It is wrong to think that estrogen and its effects, in particular water and fat retention, are completely detrimental to bodybuilding. Remember estrogen is also partly responsible for muscle strength and gains. It can minimize the occurrence of injury while improving the ability of muscle fibers to withstand contractile tension and stress. Note that one of the side effects of Arimidex is a more frequent occurrence of fractures, a major drawback. This is because when Arimidex effectively blocks the formation of estrogen, it effectively blocks the benefits as well.

Start out with .25mg a day

If you still can't handle the bloat after a few days then increase it to .5mgs.

Good luck.

I am not an expert so I cannot give expert advice, for that, consult your physician.
 
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Welcome to IMF.
Thank you for posting stats.

Adex should be utilized sparingly.
You need some estrogen which comes with some bloat.

It is wrong to think that estrogen and its effects, in particular water and fat retention, are completely detrimental to bodybuilding. Remember estrogen is also partly responsible for muscle strength and gains. It can minimize the occurrence of injury while improving the ability of muscle fibers to withstand contractile tension and stress. Note that one of the side effects of Arimidex is a more frequent occurrence of fractures, a major drawback. This is because when Arimidex effectively blocks the formation of estrogen, it effectively blocks the benefits as well.

Start out with .25mg a day

If you still can't handle the bloat after a few days then increase it to .5mgs.

Good luck.

I am not an expert so I cannot give expert advice, for that, consult your physician.
how about .5ml EOD?
 
how about .5ml EOD?

That should work. It has a half life of approximately 48 hours.

Anastrozole/Arimidex Profile ~ By *****


Pharmaceutical Name: Anastrozole
Drug Class: Aromatase Inhibitor
Active Life: 48 hours


Anastrozole is an aromatase inhibitor. Aromatase inhibitors prevent the conversion of androgens into estrogen in fat, muscle, breast, and brain (1). The medical use of anastrozole is primarily to inhibit the progression and growth of breast cancer in women by blocking the aromatase enzyme. It has also been used by some doctors to try and treat low testosterone production in men, as well as being used in conjunction with testosterone replacement therapy.

For bodybuilders and strength athletes, anastrozole is used to minimize the aromatization of anabolic steroids, and to a lesser extent for it's ability to raise testosterone levels in users. By reducing the amount of estrogen in a steroid user's body he will be able to avoid estrogen related side effects such as water retention, gynocomastia, etc (2). Obviously this is something that users should be hoping to limit as much as possible.

Interestingly, in addition to decreasing estrogen it has been demonstrated that anastrozole can also increase testosterone levels by up to 58%, along with also raising levels of lutenizing hormone (3). This is quite significant especially when one considers that anastrozole can be used in conjunction with other compounds during a user's post cycle therapy to raise natural testosterone levels once administration of anabolics steroids is completed via the hypothalamic testicular pituitary axis.


Use/Dosing

In the majority of users, .5mgs per day should be enough to prevent any estrogen related side effects related to anabolic steroid use. Even when doses were increased to 1 mg per day there was no change in the amount of estrogen that was able to be reduced as compared to doses of .5mgs per day (3). This would seem to indicate that raising your dosage will show no further results if estrogenic side effects continue to be a problem at a dosage of .5mgs. If symptoms persist the user may have to try a more potent compound such as femara (4).

Having said all of this however, most users will be able to reduce any water retention that they may have, or other estrogen related side effects, with dose less than .5mgs per day. Anecdotally users have reported that doses in the range of .25mgs per day or .5mgs every other day are enough to acheive this result. It is possible to administer anastrozole every other day due to it's active life of 48 hours.

For users using anastrozole during their post cycle therapy the same dosages should apply. There is no need to increase or decrease dosages. It can be run throughout the post cycle period with no ill effects.

Blood levels of the compound should stabilize and reach their peak at about 7-10 days after first administering the drug (5). Therefore it is unlikely that a user would need to frontload with anastrozole or begin taking it before they start administering the anabolics that they plan on taking.


Side Effects/Risks

Anastrozole is seemingly very mild on blood lipids (cholesterol) and has not been shown to affect them adversely (6,7). However it should be noted that in theory if one was to consistently suppress your natural estrogen levels for a long period of time, this would negatively impact your health (including you cholesterol). Despite this there is no scientific evidence that anastrozole can be dangerous for healthy individuals to use, even for extended periods of time.

It would seem then that anastrozole has little in the way of negative side effects associated with it's use. It is by far one of the safest compounds that an athlete can use.


References

1. Preclinical pharmacology of "Arimidex" (anastrozole: ZD1033)--a potent, selective aromatase inhibitor. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 1996 Jul;58(4):439-45

2. The ATAC Trialists Group. The ATAC (Arimidex, Tamoxifen, Alone or in Combination) adjuvant breast cancer trial in post-menopausal women with early breast cancer. Lancet 2002; 359: 2131-39

3. Mauras N, O'Brien KO, Klein KO, Hayes V. "Estrogen suppression in males: metabolic effects." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 Jul;85(7):2370-7.

4. Leder BZ, et al. "Effects of aromatase inhibition in elderly men with low or borderline-low serum Testosterone levels." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Mar;89(3):1174-80.

5. Taxel P, et al. "The effect of aromatase inhibition on sex steroids, gonadotropins, and markers of bone turnover in older men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000 86:2869?2874

6. Dougherty RH, et al. "Effect of aromatase inhibition on lipids and inflammatory markers of cardiovascular disease in elderly men with low Testosterone levels." Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 2005 Feb;62(2):228-35.

7. Hayes FJ, et al. "Aromatase inhibition in the human male reveals a hypothalamic site of estrogen feedback." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 Sep;85(9):3027-35.
 
Are your nips sensitive or itchy? If not just stay on the formeron and clean up the diet a little and up your water intake. If this doesn't help .5mg eod would be a fine dose for adex
 
Are your nips sensitive or itchy? If not just stay on the formeron and clean up the diet a little and up your water intake. If this doesn't help .5mg eod would be a fine dose for adex
funny u ask this because just today and last night my left nipple has been itching more than my right could this be onset of gyno?...I started adex last night at 0.5mg and today at 0.5mg seems to have helped with bloat. I got a question guys...should I abort cycle? I feel that maybe my BF is too high right now and that is probably why I am bloating and aromatizing. Or should I just lower dose to like 300mg a week? I am basically cutting anyway.

If I did stop what would my pct need to look like after 3 test enth injections at 250mg and 4 test prop injections at 50mg each? I have clomid,a little bit of nolva, and adex...or would it even be necessary?
 

get bloodwork.. then finish what you started... it sounds like you have done your homework enough to be competent doing a cycle... you do have a little high bf%, but stick with your cycle and diet, and bring it down... the test will help you keep from losing much, if any muscle mass while dieting and you will probably be happy with the results.. don't freak out and just drop it at this point in it.. just order labs and go from there(you can take the adex as PF suggested til you have labs....)

Unlike many people running aas, you sound like you have done a little research, and a ton of work on your own, rather than looking for a majic pill... take advantage of that, and the cycle you have started, and shoot for your goals bro!
 
funny u ask this because just today and last night my left nipple has been itching more than my right could this be onset of gyno?...I started adex last night at 0.5mg and today at 0.5mg seems to have helped with bloat. I got a question guys...should I abort cycle? I feel that maybe my BF is too high right now and that is probably why I am bloating and aromatizing. Or should I just lower dose to like 300mg a week? I am basically cutting anyway.

If I did stop what would my pct need to look like after 3 test enth injections at 250mg and 4 test prop injections at 50mg each? I have clomid,a little bit of nolva, and adex...or would it even be necessary?

what is your BF%?

its a very short cycle if you stop now, if you do somthing mild like 2-3 weeks of 30-50mg clomid should be enough. if you have doubt, maybe its best you stopp. till you are sure of everything and do it the next time.

If you continue with is be sure NOT to keep playing with nips, stimulating them from always checking or itching them i believe will make it worse.
and i think 0.5mg eod is a good dose for most. give it a few weeks before you up or drop the dose.

good luck
 
I would continue and complete cycle and continue running adex at .5eod.
Also while it isnt prudent to crush estrogen, it is prudent to control it. Keeping estrogen withing the normal range it would be off cycle, while on cycle is a great way to allow it to provide essential benefits without the costs. just because you arent getting gyno doesnt mean high levels of estrogen arent bad - they are. They are associated with blood pressure elevation, enlargement of the prostate, and prostate cancer and more.
 
funny u ask this because just today and last night my left nipple has been itching more than my right could this be onset of gyno?...I started adex last night at 0.5mg and today at 0.5mg seems to have helped with bloat. I got a question guys...should I abort cycle? I feel that maybe my BF is too high right now and that is probably why I am bloating and aromatizing. Or should I just lower dose to like 300mg a week? I am basically cutting anyway.

If I did stop what would my pct need to look like after 3 test enth injections at 250mg and 4 test prop injections at 50mg each? I have clomid,a little bit of nolva, and adex...or would it even be necessary?
yes its gyno, dont touch your nipple it will make it worse. order some letro stat. up fomeron to 4 pumps and up adex. if your nipple starts to look swollen switch to letro.
 
i'd run that shit at 1mg or .5mg ED and add some nolva.
 
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