Advice on cycle

[johnsonl3872]

I was wondering if anyone has experience using Tren E? I am currently running 200mg a week with Test E at 600mg. The problem I am having is an elevated heart rate during the week. Not only that but I am tired all the time. This is very unusual for me because I am usually hyper. Is this typical? I have gained a little more weight than normal but nothing to make it worth how crappy I am feeling. Thoughts?

 

[Goodskie]

What's your heart rate?

 

[jay_steel]

yeah, your test is to high its 3 times higher then your tren. lower your test to 300. If this is your first time using tren do a 1:1 ratio at 300 300.

 

[celticthug]

Yes i have devoloped a elevated heart rate once while on tren.Also a bad rash from it.Im sure it was the reason.I stopped and it went away.Resumed dosage,and it came back worse then ever.The doctor told me of the elevated heart rate when i went in for the rash.I didnt ask specifically what it was.I was tring to get in and out without disscusing the cause.Witch i was claiming as posion ivy. He knew sumthing was up cause he said it looked systematic,witch ment it was sumthing in my system causeing it rather than a outside cause.It was just sum dirty tren.Tren can be pretty dirty at times,depends how and who made it.Ive since used it and have had little to no sides.Other than the occasional tren cough.It get it from a guy that filters it 2x's.Ive like it much better than the tren ive run in the past.

Also its normal for your endurance to take a bit of a nose dive.I get out of breath quite a bit faster than when not on it.Like a mod has told me he gets out of breath going to the mailbox.So this may be what ur talkin about.Squat and deadlift days can get hard.I'm gassed quickly.Well,when i do reps in the 8-12 range,anyway.

Just keep a eye on your bp,and heart rate.And stay hydrated.Some sides are normal.Too many,and health affecting ones are not.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Yeah I am going to quit it and start taking winstrol instead. I was trying to cut the water retention I get from Test...

 

[jay_steel]

winstrol is hard on you to bro... Why do you need to cut the water out? The only reason I see any one using winny is contest prep. Its great for prep but the sides from winny to me are not worth the results.

 

[Valkyrie]

I disagree about Winsfrol. Not everyone has a hard time with it. For the best lean fat free water free gains Primo is the way to go though.

 

[celticthug]

You can try winny.Sum run it better than others.Kinda like tren.Only thing id tell ya that is if your using a water based winny(rather than oral,or oil based) Be very carefull about contamination of the vial.Water based steroids breed bacteria much easier than oil based ones.Use a 23 or higher gauge to draw.Also stay away from large vials of winny.More pokes,mean more chances of contamination.I have a 4 inch scar on my quad from my mistake.I used a 20g to draw,and the vial was 30ml,vet grade.So theres your heads up.

If your having problems with bloat.You could run a anti-e.That usally helps.If your not allready.I like aromasin.

 

[Chrisotpherm]

First off what is your stats man as it hard to wrap my has around what your goal is as well as not knowing your past experience with cycles can't give you my two cents.

 

[johnsonl3872]

I am 5'10 and currently about 200lbs. I was 187 before starting this cycle and am about 6 weeks in to it. Usually I only use Test E or Cyp (about same I think) to put on more muscle. The problem I have always had is water retention. In the past I would switch to Masteron late in the cycle to lean out. I decided to try Tren this time bcause I heard I could gain lean muscle with out all the bloat.

 

[AugustWest]

I am 5'10 and currently about 200lbs. I was 187 before starting this cycle and am about 6 weeks in to it. Usually I only use Test E or Cyp (about same I think) to put on more muscle. The problem I have always had is water retention. In the past I would switch to Masteron late in the cycle to lean out. I decided to try Tren this time bcause I heard I could gain lean muscle with out all the bloat.

You thought you'de try Tren b/c U HEARD u can gain lean muscle without bloat? jesus man. go do some homework

 

[heckler7]

I disagree about Winsfrol. Not everyone has a hard time with it. For the best lean fat free water free gains Primo is the way to go though.

its pricey, save the money for food unless you got the extra funds

 

[heckler7]

Yeah I am going to quit it and start taking winstrol instead. I was trying to cut the water retention I get from Test...

dont quit, you already opened the vial, start reading and figure it out, you just need to adjust dosing

 

[jay_steel]

I disagree about Winsfrol. Not everyone has a hard time with it. For the best lean fat free water free gains Primo is the way to go though.

I wasnt impressed with Primo, maybe i had some bad stuff but i was taking a gram of it a week and i did get good gains but the amount of pinning i had to do drive me up the all. I never want to pin in my glut again after running Primo for 18 weeks.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Price is not really an issue fortunately

 

[jay_steel]

The problem with primo is most of it is fake, even the UGL may think its real but the raws they are getting are not real Primo. The first time I ran primo ever it was test. Got blood work done and my test levels were FUCKING off the charts for only being on 400g of test. Second time I got real primo amps and it was a pain in the ass. Like seriously pain in the ass. I was running Primo, Test and Eq and I had to pin two times in one day just to get all my gear in me and pin 5 days a way full 3ml. I also refilter all my AMP's because of glass particles and that got tiring too.

My self I would rather run 600 mast, 400 NPP and 300 test p. Results are faster and I think better. Price is not an issue for me because I buy my stuff in a costco surplus so i get a pretty insane price.

 

[Valkyrie]

I wasnt impressed with Primo, maybe i had some bad stuff but i was taking a gram of it a week and i did get good gains but the amount of pinning i had to do drive me up the all. I never want to pin in my glut again after running Primo for 18 weeks.

First, I really advise rotating your injection site so that you only hit the same spot once every two weeks at most. Everyone responds differently but it sounds to me like your primo was bunk. I have personally out on a solid six plus pounds of muscle on a 16week car primo run and I'm a girl. You can at least triple that for a guy.

Price is not really an issue fortunately

Oh hey there buddy! Lol. Honestly or that's the case I've got a Beverly Hills stack to sell you. Teat var primo I call it my +10/-10 <10
Put on ten pounds of muscle drop ten pounds of fat in less than 10weeks. Really you will beat those numbers and it's an eight week cycle. Primo and var both out on qualify muscle with no fat or water retention. Neither one converts to estrogen and they are the two Anabolic that are mildest on the liver. My anavar cam back g2g on the spectrometer test. We don't have the primo results yet unfortunately hopefully soon. PM me.

The problem with primo is most of it is fake, even the UGL may think its real but the raws they are getting are not real Primo. The first time I ran primo ever it was test. Got blood work done and my test levels were FUCKING off the charts for only being on 400g of test. Second time I got real primo amps and it was a pain in the ass. Like seriously pain in the ass. I was running Primo, Test and Eq and I had to pin two times in one day just to get all my gear in me and pin 5 days a way full 3ml. I also refilter all my AMP's because of glass particles and that got tiring too.

My self I would rather run 600 mast, 400 NPP and 300 test p. Results are faster and I think better. Price is not an issue for me because I buy my stuff in a costco surplus so i get a pretty insane price.

Bad primo. According to OD something like 90% of dom primo is bunk. Idk how true that is. Glass shards? Wut?

 

[jay_steel]

First, I really advise rotating your injection site so that you only hit the same spot once every two weeks at most. Everyone responds differently but it sounds to me like your primo was bunk. I have personally out on a solid six plus pounds of muscle on a 16week car primo run and I'm a girl. You can at least triple that for a guy.




Oh hey there buddy! Lol. Honestly or that's the case I've got a Beverly Hills stack to sell you. Teat var primo I call it my +10/-10 <10
Put on ten pounds of muscle drop ten pounds of fat in less than 10weeks. Really you will beat those numbers and it's an eight week cycle. Primo and var both out on qualify muscle with no fat or water retention. Neither one converts to estrogen and they are the two Anabolic that are mildest on the liver. My anavar cam back g2g on the spectrometer test. We don't have the primo results yet unfortunately hopefully soon. PM me.



Bad primo. According to OD something like 90% of dom primo is bunk. Idk how true that is. Glass shards? Wut?

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With amps there is a good change that micro glass shards will break off back in to the AMP it is all ways good practice to refilter AMP's. I do rotate sites but there are only so many sites you can inject 3 mls into quads and gluts When your pinning Test Primo and EQ that is allot of oil to be pinning every day. My first Primo cycle was bunk the second was legit. I got Schering Primo, gains were great but I have seen better gains from other cycles. Not saying Primo is not good, but i personally don't feel its worth it. I would rather spend the money on HGH and run it at 4iu's a day.

 

[jay_steel]

also primo for a girl is allot easier to pin. 200mg of primo and i think you meant var is allot easier and less tiring cycle then pinning 3ml EOD and 2ml between those days. But i would really consider filtering if your pinning AMP's. I get sterile bottles now for my test amps and break them all then filter them into a 10ml bottle. chances are you may not have issues with glass, but to me its just worth the risk, I have heard of infections and issues with glass travelling through the blood stream. I work at a medical facility and talk to one of the big time doc's here that deals with TRT and he was the one that actually brought that up to me, because he just got done doing surgery on a patient.

 

[Valkyrie]

My promo comes in sterile multi use vials not amps and you're right 800mg a week is a lot to pin.

Primo muscle is higher quality muscle. There is no intramuscular fat to if. Yes I believe you when you say you got better gains on other cycles. For sure. But that is according to your values of 'good'. For pure size I would never say go test/primo/var. For lean aesthetic gains and recomping when money is not a deciding factor that stack is my number one commendation.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Ok well how the heck do you PM someone? Was going to send u message agent..................

 

[jay_steel]

I have done both mast cycles and primo and i could not tell the difference in quality of gains. Except for the fact I got my gains faster with mast. When it comes to lean muscle Tren is the number 1, there is no argument with that. If money is not an issue I would get serostim hgh

 

[johnsonl3872]

Well let me qualify that statement-money not an issue within reason. I can get HGH local but it is not cheap at all. Not only that but I have no clue how to judge if it is legit so throwing away a grand is not feasible........

 

[heckler7]

Ok well how the heck do you PM someone? Was going to send u message agent..................

you need to get your post count up to pm

 

[johnsonl3872]

Post count up? Arg! I mean I can appreciate there being rules but wow. How do you guys do it? I work 50-60 hrs a week and then am in the gym. Free time is a premium.....

 

[johnsonl3872]

I hit up your email agent since I can't PM

 

[jay_steel]

if its human grade then there are lot numbers on the box you can verify. If you go on primo just remember 700 to a gram is what you want of primo. I get my gear pretty low cost so moneys not an issue either but for a decent stack of pimp with test and orals your looking at all most 500- 700 a month after shipping.

 

[Valkyrie]

I'm suture we all consider our money hard earned. That's why I always prefer to offer options and never just throw out the crazy most expensive choices.

GH is also my standard money no object offer Lol. Money no object you can always add GH to a stack. Expenses he k yeah and not everyone's first choice for their hard earned.

 

[jay_steel]

gh is by far the best way to take it to the next level. If you just want lean and shredded. test p, tren a, and eq are great. Eq helps you with the cardio, but you have to be careful because it will make you eat your entire kitchen. I like taking eq with my tren only for sexual purposes. Nothing is worse then having no cardio while on tren and tiring out to fast lol. Sex on EQ is the best there is, makes you feel like a God.

 

[celticthug]

I am 5'10 and currently about 200lbs. I was 187 before starting this cycle and am about 6 weeks in to it. Usually I only use Test E or Cyp (about same I think) to put on more muscle. The problem I have always had is water retention. In the past I would switch to Masteron late in the cycle to lean out. I decided to try Tren this time bcause I heard I could gain lean muscle with out all the bloat.

Do you run a anti-e? If not that would most likely take care of it.The DHT's(winny,mast,primo,and anavar are anti-e's,by varying potentcy,in the order i gave them)A good anti-e ran from the beginning to the end of your cycle will take care of the bloat.I would think you would know this at the point your at of useing aas.But if not you need to get your hands on legit anti-e's.First 3 or 4 cycles i didnt go above 700 of test a week,so i didnt use them.I had no gyno problems.But bloated at 10lbs of water weight.Moon face!lol! After that even a small dose of anti-e (aromasin)during cycle kept the bloat away.
I still like winny or mast at the end of cycle.Primo is great if you get your hands on legit stuff? And if you dont have problems with pinning alot.However it is a very mild anti-e.So its not just for the end of cycle.As is anavar.I like both but not for the end of cycle.Where your trying to knock your estrogen levels down before you come off.They will hepl a little run all the way threw the cycle though.Your best bet is a good anti-e