Creatine

[Ted Shred]

Wow, that kidney thing is the first I've heard of any ill effects from Creatine.

I've been using it since I got back into training (natural) in mid-Jan after about a year off. I'm very happy with my results so far (e.g. squat, 8x3, from 105 to 225lbs, weight from 155 lbs to 172 lbs including what looks like only a few pounds of fat), but it's really the first time ever I've paid attention to diet, and I work hard and haven't missed a w/o ('cept 2 cuzza surgery), so don't know for sure if or how well it works. Although I know I didn't see any drastic weight gain at the beginning, and I did a loading phase first. Weight gain really seemed to be a result only of tweaking my diet.

I'm going to Peru soon to partake in some Ayahuasca ceremonies, so will be taking about a 2-week break. I've been thinking of ditching Creatine on my return to see if I notice a difference. Or, when I'm trippin' on Ayahuasca, I'll just ask the spirit demons all about Creatine, they apparently know a lot. (Shaman science > bro science) Either way, I'll report back here.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

^^^ exactly it can really mess up your kidneys in the long run...this is why creatine users should be tested all the time....it is not worth the effort at least for me.

Creatine poses not long term health problems for health individuals. There is NO data to back up that statement.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

Wow, that kidney thing is the first I've heard of any ill effects from Creatine.

The kidney thing is a rumor that died off years ago.

However, Dr G's "I think" has decided to revive it based on his pseduo conclusions with nothing to substantian that problem exist in health individuals.

I have a very short disposition with individuals who pepetuate pseudo science.

As someone once said, "Show me the bodies!" I am sure with all the creatine carnage it can't be hard to do that.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[dave 236]

^^^ exactly it can really mess up your kidneys in the long run...this is why creatine users should be tested all the time....it is not worth the effort at least for me.

I have blood work done at least twice a yr. I havent come off creatine for more than a possible day or two if i ran out and didnt have time to pick up any, but that has rarely happened. I dont cycle it i take at a minimum 5gs a day year round (sometimes as much as 20). I have never had any issue with my kidney function or anything else for that mater. Once again you dont like creatine; once again we get it, but it isnt dangerous unless you are some sort of idiot that eats a tub of it a week.

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[MuscleGauge1]

Creatine is one of my favorite products to use. I stack it with Anavar or Sustanol and I have great results from it.
I think I would suggest it to someone who is looking to build muscle and put on some size. The thing about Creatine
is you have to make sure you are taking in a large amount of water to activate the supplement. It works well.

 

[Dr.G]

I have blood work done at least twice a yr. I havent come off creatine for more than a possible day or two if i ran out and didnt have time to pick up any, but that has rarely happened. I dont cycle it i take at a minimum 5gs a day year round (sometimes as much as 20). I have never had any issue with my kidney function or anything else for that mater. Once again you dont like creatine; once again we get it, but it isnt dangerous unless you are some sort of idiot that eats a tub of it a week.

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if it does not hurt you it does not mean it won't hurt somebody else,, medicine is not mathematics

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

if it does not hurt you it does not mean it won't hurt somebody else,, medicine is not mathematics

If it hurt one individual, it doesn't mean it bad for everyone.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Dgolan7]

Yes I still use it every day while I work out.
Stuff works us it

 

[ItzLouGunz]

I take EFX Kre-Alkalyn and I like it...works for me!

 

[ALBOB]

^^^ exactly it can really mess up your kidneys in the long run...this is why creatine users should be tested all the time....it is not worth the effort at least for me.

Could you please link to a reasonably reputable study that backs up your claim?

 

[cdan19]

Studies from the Mayo clinic out of Minnesota state to the contrary Dr G, but perhaps you can enlighten the highest reputable medical think tank and care facility in the country. As far as any kidney functions go if one's blood test shown certain enzymes being high it's a product of dehydration that most attribute to the use of creatine but that's not the creatine's fault but the person whose not consuming adequate amounts of water. Bdeloose said his doctor had his blood rechecked one week later? no other tests? no ultra sound , no cat scan of the kidneys with contrast? Then perhaps your doctor knew there was nothing wrong other than you were showing a little dehydrated. Or I guess he was rolling the dice on your health brother. Either way I'd be looking for a new Doctor especially of your doctor is "Dr. G" . I think most healthy adult individuals with proper functioning systems will tolerate and gain with most sup's creatine included, being used as supp's to an already healthy diet. Used of course in the recommended dosing. All in good fun fella's I use creatine almost year round at 10g daily never a problem and I agree everyone is different. www.[B]mayoclinic[/B].com/health/creatine/NS_patient-creatine

 

[Dr.G]

Wow, that kidney thing is the first I've heard of any ill effects from Creatine.

I've been using it since I got back into training (natural) in mid-Jan after about a year off. I'm very happy with my results so far (e.g. squat, 8x3, from 105 to 225lbs, weight from 155 lbs to 172 lbs including what looks like only a few pounds of fat), but it's really the first time ever I've paid attention to diet, and I work hard and haven't missed a w/o ('cept 2 cuzza surgery), so don't know for sure if or how well it works. Although I know I didn't see any drastic weight gain at the beginning, and I did a loading phase first. Weight gain really seemed to be a result only of tweaking my diet.

I'm going to Peru soon to partake in some Ayahuasca ceremonies, so will be taking about a 2-week break. I've been thinking of ditching Creatine on my return to see if I notice a difference. Or, when I'm trippin' on Ayahuasca, I'll just ask the spirit demons all about Creatine, they apparently know a lot. (Shaman science > bro science) Either way, I'll report back here.

good for you , better to stop creatine and even all kinds of powder shakes and if you just concentrate on a healthy diet and not freak out on protein and train hard and smart i bet you will not lose any muscle and any strength, you try it and come tell me...the point is you should be motivated to train hard and not put your motivation in supplements.

for others who love creatine, no need to talk shit and be sarcastic, you like creatine and you feel good about it then take it, as far as i am concerned i don't need to read crap on the internet to see if creatine is good for kidneys or not..i just ask my friend a very competent researcher and nephrologist who probably writes more articles and researches that you can ever read, and his answers were clear so if some people do not like the answer then they are free to google whatever research they want. i don't like to risk my health and i have no hobby of having my blood tested every month, creatine is not worth it in fact from my experience no supplement is really worth it. if you do like them then good for you.

 

[dave 236]

Studies from the Mayo clinic out of Minnesota state to the contrary Dr G, but perhaps you can enlighten the highest reputable medical think tank and care facility in the country. As far as any kidney functions go if one's blood test shown certain enzymes being high it's a product of dehydration that most attribute to the use of creatine but that's not the creatine's fault but the person whose not consuming adequate amounts of water. Bdeloose said his doctor had his blood rechecked one week later? no other tests? no ultra sound , no cat scan of the kidneys with contrast? Then perhaps your doctor knew there was nothing wrong other than you were showing a little dehydrated. Or I guess he was rolling the dice on your health brother. Either way I'd be looking for a new Doctor especially of your doctor is "Dr. G" . I think most healthy adult individuals with proper functioning systems will tolerate and gain with most sup's creatine included, being used as supp's to an already healthy diet. Used of course in the recommended dosing. All in good fun fella's I use creatine almost year round at 10g daily never a problem and I agree everyone is different. www.[B]mayoclinic[/B].com/health/creatine/NS_patient-creatine

Oh he's no doctor. He plays one on the internet. Read all Dr B.S. posts he wont back up a f'n thing he says. All he does is tell everyone how awesome he is and how no one should use any supps, gear etc regardless of scientific proof to the contrary. Told me he'd pm his credentials a month ago and im still waiting...because he has none.

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[Dr.G]

dave i am a PHD in biomechanics and i work with doctors actually i work in the design of equipment for handicapped so i think i know about medicine and especially muscles, i challenged you before to make a bet with me about my degrees and credentials and yo did not respond, i challenge you again and i bet you 10k on it you chose any mediator you want .....otherwise shut up and engage in a useful discussion instead of being stupidly insulting.
so the point is due to my work i am surrounded by medical doctors and the information is always available to me...i trust experts i do not trust info published on the net...the real medical info is usually not published.. and by the way checking blood is not enough to tell you if an organ is damaged or not.

 

[Dr.G]

and dave i don't like to be a show off but you started it so now i am betting you if you are up to it! i never insulted you and i am not sure why you are so offended by my position against creatine..... i have my opinion based on experience and direct information from experts, you have yours based on the net...you believe what you want..bid deal!

 

[blergs.]

Yes I know there are more articles on this than in the library of congress.....but.

Has creatine gone the way of the dinosaur? It seems the hype has dwindled. Is anybody still doing it? I frequent a large Gold's gym and there are few and far between using it.

Every day. hype fell because people stopped paying stupid priced for a hyped up SIMPLE CHEAP product.
i use it year round. on hrt i use 1-2g ed on bulking or cycle 5-8g ed.

 

[blergs.]

dave i am a PHD in biomechanics and i work with doctors actually i work in the design of equipment for handicapped so i think i know about medicine and especially muscles, i challenged you before to make a bet with me about my degrees and credentials and yo did not respond, i challenge you again and i bet you 10k on it you chose any mediator you want .....otherwise shut up and engage in a useful discussion instead of being stupidly insulting.
so the point is due to my work i am surrounded by medical doctors and the information is always available to me...i trust experts i do not trust info published on the net...the real medical info is usually not published.. and by the way checking blood is not enough to tell you if an organ is damaged or not.

AGREED!

higher creatinin levles are abnormal in blood test BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SET UP FOR PEOPLE TAKING CREATINE! and if you had high levels and were NOT taking creatine it would be a signal there is something wrong and that is why they go by that.... but creatine DOES NOT damage organs......

 

[blergs.]

good for you , better to stop creatine and even all kinds of powder shakes and if you just concentrate on a healthy diet and not freak out on protein and train hard and smart i bet you will not lose any muscle and any strength, you try it and come tell me...the point is you should be motivated to train hard and not put your motivation in supplements.

for others who love creatine, no need to talk shit and be sarcastic, you like creatine and you feel good about it then take it, as far as i am concerned i don't need to read crap on the internet to see if creatine is good for kidneys or not..i just ask my friend a very competent researcher and nephrologist who probably writes more articles and researches that you can ever read, and his answers were clear so if some people do not like the answer then they are free to google whatever research they want. i don't like to risk my health and i have no hobby of having my blood tested every month, creatine is not worth it in fact from my experience no supplement is really worth it. if you do like them then good for you.

you are too high on your horse dude....


Cratine is in food/meat. I take in 3-4 protein drink and creatin daily, but I donot eat meat... if you are dehydrated and taking extra creatine that can be an issue...
also the context of the "research ": you mention needed tO be looked at in NOT a narrow minded way.
You have alot of "INFO" in your head... thats good for you... but you are missing something and to high up on horse to see it..
I know you are not as smart as you make yourself out to be..
To each his own....

ohh my bloods are good btw...

 

[blergs.]

Could you please link to a reasonably reputable study that backs up your claim?

why it will be worthless, he has made up his mind..

its liek the reefer madness... see black and white... ohh but here a study! gather a bunch and then come back to me... its easy to find a study for anything if you look... wait... why am i wasting my time still in this thread...

 

[Dr.G]

you are too high on your horse dude....


Cratine is in food/meat. I take in 3-4 protein drink and creatin daily, but I donot eat meat... if you are dehydrated and taking extra creatine that can be an issue...
also the context of the "research ": you mention needed tO be looked at in NOT a narrow minded way.
You have alot of "INFO" in your head... thats good for you... but you are missing something and to high up on horse to see it..
I know you are not as smart as you make yourself out to be..
To each his own....

ohh my bloods are good btw...

ironically you answered my concern: my concern was creatine supplementation and you just said that creatine comes from meat but you do not eat meat you take creatine instead....exactly what i was saying SUPPLEMENTS are not necessary and can be bad for you and you can get what you need from food, which means adding creatine on top of meat is bad...you don't eat meat then you probably are safer than others who overload with creatine.....most bodybuilders have this idea that MORE is BETTER where in fact the opposite is true.
now comes the debate: which is better natural food or supplement. for me anything processed is not good especially the powdered supplements because all the steps it goes through and all the artificial stuff in it and the heavy metals etc... + you don't know which company to trust and no long term studies on them. I must admit that the advantage over natural food is that you can have a better control of the fat intake and it can help you pack the muscle with less fat. Still even the manufacturers of such supplements themselves warn you about not replacing food by powder shakes and that they are only used as supplements not replacement.

incidently i have heard of people who were hospitalized due to high creatine intake and I know personally of a case where a guy in my gym was admitted to the hospital because he overtook creatine and his kidneys were messed up, i don't know the medical details of his condition and what happened but according to him he has been taking creatine for about 6 months. Now my logic says that if in 6 months he was affected by creatine , then he must have taken TOO MUCH of it, now the question is: does artificial creatine accumulate somehow in the kidneys and how much should one take to cause this accumulation and is accumulation dose dependent? these are certainly some valid questions. the answer of what is the critical dose that will not affect you if taken for lets say 30 years cannot and is not answered yet + can you guarantee that you are not prone to future kidney disease and that creatine will not accelerate this process????????

 

[dave 236]

and dave i don't like to be a show off but you started it so now i am betting you if you are up to it! i never insulted you and i am not sure why you are so offended by my position against creatine..... i have my opinion based on experience and direct information from experts, you have yours based on the net...you believe what you want..bid deal!

I have information based on 1000s of peer reviewed studies. You have info based on " you know a guy" so don't lecture me or anyone else hear on how qualified you are to make any statement. Everything you post is just your opinion. And btw im offended by the fact you came on here posing as a doctor. In fact you admitted in another post that you are not. Take your own advice and think what you want. Of course you could always post up your credentials and shut me up. Truth is your a liar who himself stalks internet sights to compile your pseudo scientific jargon that you employ to run down supplements. Thanks for your advice though, mine to you is stop living this fairy tale of being the most intelligent person anywhere you go.

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[Dr.G]

^^^^ whatever ....i don't want to post anything i want to make a bet with you if you are up to it..i never said i am a MEDICAL doctor , but i am a doctor in biomechanics which took me about 9 years of studies not counting the postdoctoral research , i might be an idiot but at least doing my job have made hundreds of people happier which is a great reward to me. you can go on believing your 1000 papers, i have seen 100000 papers in my field with peer reviews that are BS in fact i am a reviewer myself.
i can try to arrange a conversation with some of my medical doctors friends and check if you can stand up for yourself with your 1000 articles: READING ARTICLES ON THE NET DOES NOT AND WILL NEVER MAKE ANYBODY QUALIFIED OR AN EXPERT IN A GIVEN FIELD, i can go and read myself the same stuff you are reading , however i chose to take such readings and discuss them with an expert in the field.
For example do i like steroids and think they are safe???? hell no. Do I have friends who take steroids ? of course and i still like them and respect their choices and they are not offended by my opinion.... i am not sure why you are so offended by my opinion.
When it comes to creatine and protein supplements : just try it for yourself and see that you really don't need all that stuff (whether it is harmful or not). people ingest tons of crap in search for a perfect body...try it for one or two years without supplements and prove me wrong....i have done it and no one can take that fact from me.
case closed for me

 

[malikiie]

personally i only use creatine hcl normal creatine is barely water soluble at all pretty sure only 1% of creatine mono even makes it into the system the rest is just sand in your gut.
creatine hcl on the other hand is great its very water soluble ergo you only need a little like say 500mg at most a day. i use it as filler for everything i cap. i have used creatine
mono before i found juice and it takes its toll if you abuse it the stuff gives me worse sides the adrol. hard to get into you system and hard to get out however i have had none of
the bad problems with creatine hcl.

i mean every little thing helps i know how it is i am always looking for something new that could give my cycle just a little extra be it igf-lr1 HGH or whatever but i would never turn
to creatine mono again i mean i payed for that food why should i have to blast it out before i get my moneys worth out of it.