I'm surprised nobody has latched onto this

[DOMS]

Lets just call this what it is, discrimination pure and simple. All throughout our history this country has had to try and keep a certain group down. It's no longer acceptable to discriminate due to race, so now we're on to sexual orientation.

You're painting a false picture. Gays have always been discriminated again. They were back when it was okay to also do so with woman and blacks. Woman and blacks came out from underneath that and now gays are too. You're just seeing the end of it.

 

[IronAddict]

You're painting a false picture. Gays have always been discriminated again. They were back when it was okay to also do so with woman and blacks. Woman and blacks came out from underneath that and now gays are too. You're just seeing the end of it.

Yes, they have always been discrimnated against and they will always be, just like minorities and women.

So the least they can do is try to treat them as humans and if they want suffer, let them suffer!

 

[DOMS]

Yes, they have always been discrimnated against and they will always be, just like minorities and women.

So the least they can do is try to treat them as humans and if they want suffer, let them suffer!

What's happened in the past with woman and blacks, and what you're seeing with gays now, is the end of state-sponsored discrimination.

People are not equal, so discrimination will never go away at the personal level. Having equal rights under the law does not absolve any group from the shit their people do.

 

[IronAddict]

People are not equal, so discrimination will never go away at the personal level. Having equal rights under the law does not absolve any group from the shit their people do.

This's where we differ. I agree that discrimination will never go away, no matter what law is passed. But deep down inside we are all the same animal, no matter where we came from or who we sleep with.

 

[DOMS]

This's where we differ. I agree that discrimination will never go away, no matter what law is passed. But deep down inside we are all the same animal, no matter where we came from or who we sleep with.

The facts say otherwise.

 

[IronAddict]

The facts say otherwise.

Besides the obvious, I fail to see how anyone's better than anyone else.

Please, enlighten me, so I may begin to discriminate too.

 

[DOMS]

Besides the obvious, I fail to see how anyone's better than anyone else.

Please, enlighten me, so I may begin to discriminate too.

Search my old posts. I've written out plenty of fact-backed text. Besides, I've seen your type before. For whatever your reason, you need to believe that all people are equal and won't accept any facts to the contrary -- even though the are plentiful.

 

[IronAddict]

Search my old posts. I've written out plenty of fact-backed text. Besides, I've seen your type before. For whatever your reason, you need to believe that all people are equal and won't accept any facts to the contrary -- even though the are plentiful.

K, I'll do that. Here we go again, trying to make me the non racist look like the bad guy.

You know, maybe you do make a valid point afterall, Doms.

 

[DOMS]

Here we go again, trying to make me the non racist look like the bad guy.

Not "bad", just out of touch with reality. I grant you, wanting something like equality is nice, but wanting it so bad that you ignore facts is...kinda sad.

 

[heckler7]

I'm for equal rights, let them be equally miserable like the rest of us. Let them get married, then soon we will see tons of divorces and once they loose half their shit to their partners, then lets see how gay they are, that will put an end to the happy skippers at the gay pride parades

 

[theCaptn']

The facts say otherwise.

Ignoring race creed and colour, we are certainly not all equal.

 

[LAM]

You're painting a false picture. Gays have always been discriminated again. They were back when it was okay to also do so with woman and blacks. Woman and blacks came out from underneath that and now gays are too. You're just seeing the end of it.

and that's because the younger generations are more accepting and the old dinosaurs are dying off

 

[DOMS]

Ignoring race creed and colour, we are certainly not all equal.

That's like saying, "Ignoring money, we're not all rich."

 

[IronAddict]

Not "bad", just out of touch with reality. I grant you, wanting something like equality is nice, but wanting it so bad that you ignore facts is...kinda sad.

You're gotdamn right, I'm not bad at all!

Those facts are not facts if only you can recite them. And besides, I've known people like you all my life too, thinking you're superior to somebody else, in reality, you're the one thats got to meet your maker and carry that cross.

Also, trying to bring people or a group of people down or to say something stupid to somebody else just so you can feel better about yourself is also the definition of classlessness.

 

[IronAddict]

This is just a big O. I've already agreed discrimination is going to exist no matter what laws are passed.

And I fail to see how a muslim on the otherside of the world is any different than an extremist here, their both fucked up!

Money, education, property all are false comparisons, when you die and meet your maker you're gonna be as naked as him explaining your actions and deeds.

good luck burning in hell, i'll see you there!

 

[Bowden]

This's where we differ. I agree that discrimination will never go away, no matter what law is passed. But deep down inside we are all the same animal, no matter where we came from or who we sleep with.

What is your argument?

Thinking that deep down inside we are all the same animal is a slippery slope.
How far do you go with the philosophy that all people are 'equal' and the same animal as everyone else?
Everyone should have the same opportunity to achieve but thinking that everyone will achieve the same level of success at any endeavor if the playing field is level is not facing reality.

We are not the same animals deep inside due to individual genetics/ intelligence levels but some politicians think that achievement based on individual capability and merit alone is not 'fair' to all individuals.
So they try and politically engineer society so that all members of a society are at the same level to make everyone 'equal' and the same.

We are not equal and the same animal deep down inside and here is a good example of why we are not the same animal deep down inside.

If everyone had the same potential for say bodybuilding then everyone taking the same enhancements and doing the same type of workout and following the same diet as an IFBB pro would look like an IFBB pro.
They do not.
The facts as to some are better at bodybuilding and that everyone bodybuilding is not the same animal deep down inside are undeniable.

You can see that truth as well on any bodybuilding board by doing a comparison between people on that board that are taking the same types of enhancements and following the same bodybuilding type training and diets.
Strength and physiques will vary based on genetics.
Once again the facts speak for themselves as to we are not all the same animals deep down inside.

 

[LAM]

This is just a big O. I've already agreed discrimination is going to exist no matter what laws are passed.

there is something inherently wrong with the human being, we (as a whole) constantly "look" for things to make it easier to discriminate against another. ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc. are all perfect examples of these tools.

hands down humans are the most despicable life-form on this planet far worst than any virus because at least they serve a purpose.

 

[Zaphod]

What is your argument?

Thinking that deep down inside we are all the same animal is a slippery slope.
How far do you go with the philosophy that all people are 'equal' and the same animal as everyone else?
Everyone should have the same opportunity to achieve but thinking that everyone will achieve the same level of success at any endeavor if the playing field is level is not facing reality.

We are not the same animals deep inside due to individual genetics/ intelligence levels but some politicians think that achievement based on individual capability and merit alone is not 'fair' to all individuals.
So they try and politically engineer society so that all members of a society are at the same level to make everyone 'equal' and the same.

We are not equal and the same animal deep down inside and here is a good example of why we are not the same animal deep down inside.

If everyone had the same potential for say bodybuilding then everyone taking the same enhancements and doing the same type of workout and following the same diet as an IFBB pro would look like an IFBB pro.
They do not.
The facts as to some are better at bodybuilding and that everyone bodybuilding is not the same animal deep down inside are undeniable.

You can see that truth as well on any bodybuilding board by doing a comparison between people on that board that are taking the same types of enhancements and following the same bodybuilding type training and diets.
Strength and physiques will vary based on genetics.
Once again the facts speak for themselves as to we are not all the same animals deep down inside.

We sure haven't fallen far from the Viking mythology. According to Norse mythology Heimdall fathered the classes of people. Slaves, free yeomen, and kings.

 

[DOMS]

You're gotdamn right, I'm not bad at all!

Those facts are not facts if only you can recite them. And besides, I've known people like you all my life too, thinking you're superior to somebody else, in reality, you're the one thats got to meet your maker and carry that cross.

Also, trying to bring people or a group of people down or to say something stupid to somebody else just so you can feel better about yourself is also the definition of classlessness.

Yep, you're exactly what I thought you were: in denial of reality. I wonder...how does it feel for you to see facts and simply claim it isn't so? Does it hurt intellectually or are you just able to brush it off? Compartmentalize it? Is it as easy as sticking your fingers in your ears and saying, "nananananana" over and over again?

 

[IronAddict]

What is your argument?

Thinking that deep down inside we are all the same animal is a slippery slope.
How far do you go with the philosophy that all people are 'equal' and the same animal as everyone else?
Everyone should have the same opportunity to achieve but thinking that everyone will achieve the same level of success at any endeavor if the playing field is level is not facing reality.

We are not the same animals deep inside due to individual genetics/ intelligence levels but some politicians think that achievement based on individual capability and merit alone is not 'fair' to all individuals.
So they try and politically engineer society so that all members of a society are at the same level to make everyone 'equal' and the same.

We are not equal and the same animal deep down inside and here is a good example of why we are not the same animal deep down inside.

If everyone had the same potential for say bodybuilding then everyone taking the same enhancements and doing the same type of workout and following the same diet as an IFBB pro would look like an IFBB pro.
They do not.
The facts as to some are better at bodybuilding and that everyone bodybuilding is not the same animal deep down inside are undeniable.

You can see that truth as well on any bodybuilding board by doing a comparison between people on that board that are taking the same types of enhancements and following the same bodybuilding type training and diets.
Strength and physiques will vary based on genetics.
Once again the facts speak for themselves as to we are not all the same animals deep down inside.

This thread was about homosexuals getting married I gave my opinion, and I'm not going to be lectured to about human eqaulity.

Money, ancestors, posesions, now bodybuiling?

No matter where you travel, all men have a developed brain, a heart, a soul...called homosapiens.

Why is that so hard?

 

[IronAddict]

 

[maniclion]

I love how racists swear that their is a difference yet when things like Equal Opportunity or race centric Scholarships or organizations come up they say it isn't fair, why can't the White man have their own centric organization. Or they jump on it as evidence that other races couldn't succeed without such crutches and thus it proves their point about the inherent differences or "flaws" in other races...

 

[DOMS]

I love how racists swear that their is a difference yet when things like Equal Opportunity or race centric Scholarships or organizations come up they say it isn't fair

...

Or they jump on it as evidence that other races couldn't succeed without such crutches and thus it proves their point about the inherent differences or "flaws" in other races...

Your attempt at logic is an obvious, abysmal, failure.

Each group of people on the planet clawed and scraped to get to the top. It left some at the top and others at the bottom. Way back before there was stuff like EO or race-specific aids. Without those artificial systems, blacks would still be property in the USA and Africa would still be the property of European countries.

why can't the White man have their own centric organization.

I love this shit. You bitch and moan about equality, but see no problem with only having systems that support all but whites. It's hilarious and pathetic the "logical" gyrations people like you go through to make an argument when the facts aren't on your side.

 

[maniclion]

Your attempt at logic is an obvious, abysmal, failure.

Each group of people on the planet clawed and scraped to get to the top. It left some at the top and others at the bottom. Way back before there was stuff like EO or race-specific aids. Without those artificial systems, blacks would still be property in the USA and Africa would still be the property of European countries.



I love this shit. You bitch and moan about equality, but see no problem with only having systems that support all but whites. It's hilarious and pathetic the "logical" gyrations people like you go through to make an argument when the facts aren't on your side.

By your logic, without people standing up for the oppressed due to bias, the Jews and probably most of Africa, the middle east and Europe would be under the Pharoahs rule as slaves and Asia would be speaking Mongolian under a Khan. There was also the time when the Irish were seen the same way you see Mexicans now, not because of a genetic flaw, though many spun it that way, but because of their impoverishment while fleeing the potato famine. They must have been stupid to let themselves get into such a hardship from a simple infection of their staple crop.

 

[DOMS]

By your logic, without people standing up for the oppressed due to bias, the Jews and probably most of Africa, the middle east and Europe would be under the Pharoahs rule as slaves and Asia would be speaking Mongolian under a Khan.

Only if you ignored what I wrote.

The Jews fought back and then left for better pastures, where they made something of themselves. The Pharaohs -- that's to say, Egypt -- lost is power because of a permanent drought brought on by climate change, not anyone fighting back (the drought also took down the Arcadian Empire). And the Asians aren't speaking Mongolian because they fought back. None of them got a hand up from Affirmative Action.

There was also the time when the Irish were seen the same way you see Mexicans now, not because of a genetic flaw, though many spun it that way, but because of their impoverishment while fleeing the potato famine.

I must've missed the change in their perception because of United Irish Scholarship Fund.

They must have been stupid to let themselves get into such a hardship from a simple infection of their staple crop.

Actually, the Potato Famine the smaller part of why they were looked down on. It mostly centered around their refusal to turn away from Catholicism -- dating way back before the famine.

None of which refutes anything I wrote in my previous post, nor does it correct any of your attempts at logic on this subject.

 

[maniclion]

Your attempt at logic is an obvious, abysmal, failure.

Each group of people on the planet clawed and scraped to get to the top. It left some at the top and others at the bottom. Way back before there was stuff like EO or race-specific aids. Without those artificial systems, blacks would still be property in the USA and Africa would still be the property of European countries.



I love this shit. You bitch and moan about equality, but see no problem with only having systems that support all but whites. It's hilarious and pathetic the "logical" gyrations people like you go through to make an argument when the facts aren't on your side.

By your logic, without people standing up for the oppressed due to bias, the Jews and probably most of Africa, the middle east and Europe would be under the Pharoahs rule as slaves and Asia would be speaking Mongolian under a Khan. There was also the time when the Irish were seen the same way you see Mexicans now, not because of a genetic flaw, though many spun it that way, but because of their impoverishment while fleeing the potato famine. They must have been stupid to let themselves get into such a hardship from a simple infection of their staple crop.

 

[maniclion]

Dbl post.

 

[LAM]

Each group of people on the planet clawed and scraped to get to the top. It left some at the top and others at the bottom. Way back before there was stuff like EO or race-specific aids. Without those artificial systems, blacks would still be property in the USA and Africa would still be the property of European countries.

the west intervened in the development in most of the 3rd world country's and in the middle east which has permanently altered their growth/natural development. this would be world history and economics 101.

there are just so many things wrong with your brain.

 

[DOMS]

the west intervened in the development in most of the 3rd world country's and in the middle east which has permanently altered their growth/natural development. this would be world history and economics 101.

Bullshit. The West didn't get involved in those regions in large numbers until the 15th century. What were those third world places doing before that? Very little in terms of civilization (other than Asia). The Middle East hasn't done jack-shit since the converted it Islam in the 7th century. Sub-Saharan Africans were still living in huts and killing each other wholesale. They didn't even have a major civilization beyond a couple small trade nations. The Aborigines were the same.

At 100 BC, the Roman's were living is palatial estates with duct-works and broadening man's understanding of the world, while Africans were living in huts. But maybe, just maybe you're right. I mean, I'm okay with the idea of third-world people being the bitches of first-world countries. Because that's what you're positing.

there are just so many things wrong with your brain.

I know! It's like I'm pulling a race card of facts, versus your race card of "Give me! I want it!"

 

[LAM]

Bullshit. The West didn't get involved in those regions in large numbers until the 15th century. What were those third world places doing before that? Very little in terms of civilization (other than Asia). The Middle East hasn't done jack-shit since the converted it Islam in the 7th century. Sub-Saharan Africans were still living in huts and killing each other wholesale. They didn't even have a major civilization beyond a couple small trade nations. The Aborigines were the same.

At 100 BC, the Roman's were living is palatial estates with duct-works and broadening man's understanding of the world, while Africans were living in huts. But maybe, just maybe you're right. I mean, I'm okay with the idea of third-world people being the bitches of first-world countries. Because that's what you're positing.



I know! It's like I'm pulling a race card of facts, versus your race card of "Give me! I want it!"

you've gone a little too far backwards, there was no US in the 15th century.

every single scholastic and economic brief or paper clearly shows the permanent damage the WTO and the structural adjustment programs of the IMF and World Bank have had on the 3rd world, and like everything else it is 100% intentional.

the UK and the east indian trading company did the exact same thing to China in the 1800's with opium instead of weapons and cash to warlords like they did in say Africa.

and now we are doing it again in the middle-east by destabilizing the region. a unified arab nation with all that oil would be the coup de gras to the petro dollar.