Do blacks externalize their problems and not take responsability for it

[heckler7]

Not trying to start a racist debate, in all seriousness. Seems like Al Sharpton, rev Jesse Jackson, even Obama have chimed in on the TM vs GZ case, not to mention numerous others who felt a need to protest. But none of them have said shit about the numerous juvenile murders in inner cities committed by gangs. Seems like there is a real divide on tackling real issues and joining in on the media circus, getting some spotlight for yourself and further divide a nation on cultural boundaries. I would love not to feel like we are one nation united to make our childrens lives better than ours. I was in Oakland when these children were murdered and really thought people would take to the streets in a mass protest against gang violence and not a damn thing happened, yet this TM GZ shit became a circus. Oakland's Innocent Blood - YouTube

 

[heckler7]

Black man who killed white NY teen released early - YouTube black man killed white teen, no one cried racism, no remarks from Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson

 

[heckler7]

Teens Set 13-year-old White Student on Fire in KC- - YouTube 2 black boys light 13 yo boy on fire, didn't see any protests or riots WTF

 

[heckler7]

Pregnant teen attacked on bus: 'I could see my face bleeding' - YouTube pregnant teen attacked

 

[DOMS]

It has to do with what groups -- minorities, woman, gays, etc. -- think of when they say, "equality." They use that word, but what they really want in inequality.

They want you to only say nice, positive, things about them. They do not want you to say anything negative because you're then you're just being racist or sexist.

For example, woman wanted to be CEOs, and they got that. However, some are pretty shitty (e.g. Carly Fiorina). When people talk negatively about their poor performance, it's obviously not because they're bad at their job. It's obviously because their naysayers are being sexist. Never mind that males CEOs catch shit when they perform poorly.

Who would willing admit that they're performing sub par if they can just trot out the sexism or racism card?

 

[troubador]

I think we've institutionalized guilt and that's created an opportunity for people to capitalize on racism. Racism is Sharpton's and Jackson's livelihood. Black culture seems to have been conditioned accordingly. A good portion of Whites have subsequently been conditioned to oppose black culture since polarization has two sides. Politicians and cultural leaders use divisive techniques because by forcing people to take sides you create ingroups and hopefully you end up seen as a leader of the larger ingroup.

Kind of rough around the edges but there's some truth to what he says.

 

[Zaphod]

Pregnant teen attacked on bus: 'I could see my face bleeding' - YouTube pregnant teen attacked

That kid showed incredible restraint not leveling the asshole kicking him.

 

[heckler7]

I think we've institutionalized guilt and that's created an opportunity for people to capitalize on racism. Racism is Sharpton's and Jackson's livelihood. Black culture seems to have been conditioned accordingly. A good portion of Whites have subsequently been conditioned to oppose black culture since polarization has two sides. Politicians and cultural leaders use divisive techniques because by forcing people to take sides you create ingroups and hopefully you end up seen as a leader of the larger ingroup.

Kind of rough around the edges but there's some truth to what he says.

theres a guy calling it like it is, I'm not one for conspiracy but I kinda feel like your close to something, if it benefitted politicians for us to get along they would be all over that issue.

 

[troubador]

Teens Set 13-year-old White Student on Fire in KC- - YouTube 2 black boys light 13 yo boy on fire, didn't see any protests or riots WTF

Yeah the reporter left out the last part of what one of the teens said "This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy." And we all know why. This facade that's been created is causing problems. If you create a situation where black people are told they can't be racist and we pretend they can't then some will take advantage of that. Same thing would happen if a parent had two kids where one was always punished for fighting and with the other they turned a blind eye; you know exactly what would happen.

 

[troubador]

I'm not one for conspiracy but I kinda feel like your close to something, if it benefitted politicians for us to get along they would be all over that issue.

It's not a conspiracy, it's game theory. I think it evolved in primarily organic way, not some formal plan.

 

[heckler7]

Yeah the reporter left out the last part of what one of the teens said "This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy." And we all know why. This facade that's been created is causing problems. If you create a situation where black people are told they can't be racist and we pretend they can't then some will take advantage of that. Same thing would happen if a parent had two kids where one was always punished for fighting and with the other they turned a blind eye; you know exactly what would happen.

I agree, the law is one sided, when the government decide to racially protect minorities they should have just made all racism illegal its really just being abused now

 

[Dale Mabry]

I think nearly everybody externalizes their problems and blames others for it. Successful people learn not to do that and become successful because of it. I think part of what keeps the black man down is that it seems to be given a pass in that particular community wrt the media. I don't think successful black people do this unless they are in the public eye. I think people like Jay Z feel they need to uphold an image that they haven't sold out, but that message doesn't really help people who aren't fortunate enough to have a talent as marketable as singing.

 

[Little Wing]

5 women need to be arrested. why does it need to be blacks or whites? i think to make it a racial thing you completely ignore how angry their behavior makes most of the black community. it's about good and bad and if we stop debating color bs and concentrate on just wiping this shit off our streets we might go forward not sideways. i think a criminal is a criminal is a criminal. black crime white crime pffft. just concentrate on cleaning things up.

the kid showed his ingrained don't hit women thinking but in this case i'd forgive him knocking a couple bitches out.

 

[heckler7]

5 women need to be arrested. why does it need to be blacks or whites? i think to make it a racial thing you completely ignore how angry their behavior makes most of the black community. it's about good and bad and if we stop debating color bs and concentrate on just wiping this shit off our streets we might go forward not sideways. i think a criminal is a criminal is a criminal. black crime white crime pffft. just concentrate on cleaning things up.

the kid showed his ingrained don't hit women thinking but in this case i'd forgive him knocking a couple bitches out.

that young man protected his woman and child and didn't get sucked into fighting which would have left her vulnerable, I'm more surprised that not one person helped on that crowded bus. We have become a nation of bystanders

 

[heckler7]

I think nearly everybody externalizes their problems and blames others for it. Successful people learn not to do that and become successful because of it. I think part of what keeps the black man down is that it seems to be given a pass in that particular community wrt the media. I don't think successful black people do this unless they are in the public eye. I think people like Jay Z feel they need to uphold an image that they haven't sold out, but that message doesn't really help people who aren't fortunate enough to have a talent as marketable as singing.

honestly I feel the problem lies at home, single moms struggling to pay bills, the streets are babysitting their children. Some older thug buys you Jordans or some food and your their new puppet. No one teaches you to be a parent you learn from watching your own parents and occasionally calling for advise. These teenagers only know that their dad wasn't there.

 

[heckler7]

Al Sharpton has his own TV show on msnbc, why isn't he addressing the problem with inner city violence. I'll tell you why, theres no money in it for him. He's got his nose up the white mans ass all about making that dollar.

 

[troubador]

I think nearly everybody externalizes their problems and blames others for it. Successful people learn not to do that and become successful because of it. I think part of what keeps the black man down is that it seems to be given a pass in that particular community wrt the media. I don't think successful black people do this unless they are in the public eye. I think people like Jay Z feel they need to uphold an image that they haven't sold out, but that message doesn't really help people who aren't fortunate enough to have a talent as marketable as singing.

Totally agree. The rap culture is interesting. You've got poor black youths who aspire to what the rap culture presents but the rap culture only exists from selling the culture of poor black youths. Rappers didn't make it by rising above the ghetto they capitalized on it. Successful people outside of the rap industry tend to be quite different than rappers. So role models black youths are presented with aren't educated people who made their way by going to school, becoming a doctor, helping people and becoming a productive member of society,etc. Their role models are often people who make living by selling a gangsta image back to the poor black youths.

 

[LAM]

I think nearly everybody externalizes their problems and blames others for it. Successful people learn not to do that and become successful because of it.

it also depends on the socioeconomic status of your parents. those born to families that have an excess of monies have nothing to complain about so they don't buy into a the media propaganda and the labels used by society.

 

[heckler7]

it also depends on the socioeconomic status of your parents. those born to families that have an excess of monies have nothing to complain about so they don't buy into a the media propaganda and the labels used by society.

how do you explain Mexicans then, they come here without knowning how to speak English and teach themselves a second language and often speak it better than kids who had 12 years of free education. but if brown and black kill each other it doesn't make news which is a daily occurance.

 

[heckler7]

lets just cut the shit, WTF is holding blacks back. Its not me, I work my ass of and don't concern myself with others problems. Is it really a handfull of uneducated redneck white folk running around saying the n word, really blacks aren't smart enough to sidestep that. The government? Then government is screwing middle class whites harder than blacks. Why are we hated and the blame of this illness?

 

[LAM]

how do you explain Mexicans then, they come here without knowning how to speak English and teach themselves a second language and often speak it better than kids who had 12 years of free education. but if brown and black kill each other it doesn't make news which is a daily occurance.

if your referring to the slang used in the metro area by blacks that's a mystery. although in the US it's cool to be stupid and if your smart in school your an outcast, it's always been that way.

if the media was indeed fair and balanced it would talk about how whites kill whites, blacks kill blacks and brown kills brown, that's the way street crime has always been. violent crimes are almost always personal crimes and people kill other people that they know and associate with in the neighborhoods.

but the media isn't fair and balanced it has an agenda. and that agenda needs to put a face with street crime and avoid the obvious with is the direct effect of macroeconomics on certain types of street crime. it's all part of neo-liberalaism which is why street crime in the US and UK is tied to race and EVERYWHERE else in the world it's a function of economics.

 

[Little Wing]

i think no one is holding anyone back but themselves once they are adults but sometimes being born into certain circumstances doesn't help and can really hurt. still, you can't convince me it's any harder being born in a ghetto to crack addicted black parents than being born into some incestuous, white trash, paint sniffing clan in buttfuck virginia. from there it's going to be a tough haul to success for either child. it's poverty and parental ignorance, lack of self governing skills etc not race.

i'd blow up, shut down, turn over, every american owned factory that's not built on american soil, hiring american workers, and paying a livable wage. jail people for participating in slavery like it's ok because it's in china etc. slavery is illegal here just like buttfucking a two year old is. it's not cool to just go to thailand and do either one. once there are truly enough good jobs to go around i'd end welfare except in the instances where there is only one parent and they need to be at home to monitor their children. one parent at home raising the kids should be the norm again and livable wages should keep that in mind.

i'd tone down the war bullshit and turn up the educational system. this country could be great again but not if things continue where they are headed. what even is all this gang related first amendment bullshit? lock every last one of them up. what constitutes a crime should be determined by harm done others and those people unsafe to be around should be separated from society not free to rejoin it while they are still a threat. inject morals into politics, medicine, business.... you'd have to earn positions through merit of your excellence alone. i'd use taxes the way they should be used including taking good care of our disabled, seniors, veterans, and mentally ill. i love this country but there is so much to hate. what a waste of time to hate each other simply for color or place of origin.

i'd also tax the fucking shit out of anything made anywhere but here.

 

[Little Wing]

we should have integration colonies so that if you want to come here you go there and have to prove you will add to not detract from this country. before you leave there you show you can be a productive member of society and pose no threat.

 

[heckler7]

if your referring to the slang used in the metro area by blacks that's a mystery. although in the US it's cool to be stupid and if your smart in school your an outcast, it's always been that way.

if the media was indeed fair and balanced it would talk about how whites kill whites, blacks kill blacks and brown kills brown, that's the way street crime has always been. violent crimes are almost always personal crimes and people kill other people that they know and associate with in the neighborhoods.

but the media isn't fair and balanced it has an agenda. and that agenda needs to put a face with street crime and avoid the obvious with is the direct effect of macroeconomics on certain types of street crime. it's all part of neo-liberalaism which is why street crime in the US and UK is tied to race and EVERYWHERE else in the world it's a function of economics.

that's it right there, how the hell do we switch end this demise of society which is happening right in front of us. Seems like nobody has the balls to do jack shit. When I went to school, we had after school programs paid for by our taxes, now I have to pay for the teachers supplies and drop them off with my kids. Seems like we are getting stripped of basic services.

 

[heckler7]

i think no one is holding anyone back but themselves once they are adults but sometimes being born into certain circumstances doesn't help and can really hurt. still, you can't convince me it's any harder being born in a ghetto to crack addicted black parents than being born into some incestuous, white trash, paint sniffing clan in buttfuck virginia. from there it's going to be a tough haul to success for either child. it's poverty and parental ignorance, lack of self governing skills etc not race.

i'd blow up, shut down, turn over, every american owned factory that's not built on american soil, hiring american workers, and paying a livable wage. jail people for participating in slavery like it's ok because it's in china etc. slavery is illegal here just like buttfucking a two year old is. it's not cool to just go to thailand and do either one. once there are truly enough good jobs to go around i'd end welfare except in the instances where there is only one parent and they need to be at home to monitor their children. one parent at home raising the kids should be the norm again and livable wages should keep that in mind.

i'd tone down the war bullshit and turn up the educational system. this country could be great again but not if things continue where they are headed. what even is all this gang related first amendment bullshit? lock every last one of them up. what constitutes a crime should be determined by harm done others and those people unsafe to be around should be separated from society not free to rejoin it while they are still a threat. inject morals into politics, medicine, business.... you'd have to earn positions through merit of your excellence alone. i'd use taxes the way they should be used including taking good care of our disabled, seniors, veterans, and mentally ill. i love this country but there is so much to hate. what a waste of time to hate each other simply for color or place of origin.

i'd also tax the fucking shit out of anything made anywhere but here.

now we're getting somewhere. I feel like gangs should be considered domestic terrorists, lock the bastards up at gitmo. We went to war over drugs and other harmless shit, time to really get tough on these assholes

 

[Little Wing]

a war on assholes.... i like it.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I didn't read the op, but to the title. Yes.

I'm sorry but there is a difference in black people, and the N. The N never take responsibility but black people are just as equal as white people.

Then again, alot of white people place blame. Catch 22

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[LAM]

now we're getting somewhere. I feel like gangs should be considered domestic terrorists, lock the bastards up at gitmo. We went to war over drugs and other harmless shit, time to really get tough on these assholes

gangs in the US have their roots in the inner cities where the war on drugs has had the most detrimental effects. then you add in all the other economic aspects of being a single mother (either black or brown) and all of the negative economic effects that come along with it.

either way you look at the equation there are no easy fixes and all of them take time, education and money. the easy solution is to just "lock them up" but with out addressing the cause there is no solution in place.

 

[UA_Iron]

You have to change their culture and their values to get them to be contributing members of society. Unfortunately that's kind of hard to do when you have so many of them that choose to remain dumb an ignorant - education is key (like on all those feel good movies about kids in the hood succeeding in life, lol). It's a catch 22. A lot of this black culture hangs onto this "crab bucket mentality" - where if one crab tries to escape the bucket you have other crabs trying to pull them back in.

The media further polarizes the population by publicizing white on black crime for whatever reason. Statistics show how disproportionate these numbers are (Black VS White crime statistics - The REAL DEAL - CNN can get bent). To me it looks obvious that the media is trying to keep tension high. Afterall, media outlets are controlled by a limited number of entities that aren't necessarily interested in giving you fair and balanced news. By unhinging the populations that are most likely to cause social upheaval you have the greatest success for fear mongering and then the ability to pass more laws that limit your freedoms. An increased police state means more of your money going towards policing you, surveillance, detention...

I'd have thought myself a paranoid tin-foil hat wearing computer jockey if I had typed out that last paragraph 5 years ago, but I cant help but observe these unsettling trends.

 

[heckler7]

gangs in the US have their roots in the inner cities where the war on drugs has had the most detrimental effects. then you add in all the other economic aspects of being a single mother (either black or brown) and all of the negative economic effects that come along with it.

either way you look at the equation there are no easy fixes and all of them take time, education and money. the easy solution is to just "lock them up" but with out addressing the cause there is no solution in place.

this country definitely has to relax with locking up everybody no mater how petty the crime is, its a huge waste of our money. maybe make school mandatory as well as 2 years of military service.