then we have Democrats fighting to attempt to take away gun rights and dictate which guns we can own? Then the healthcare system you really think they are going to approve a 75 year old with a hip replacement and orthopaedic surgery?
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The Very Best Form of Socialism?: The Pro-Slavery Roots of the Modern Left
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have you seen what the oil has done to the gulf coast? the fishing families there? how about someone come dump a million barrels on your farm? then would you understand?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVnm7ZftTkE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uieBWL9mOdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWJ2jDa_DI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVnm7ZftTkE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uieBWL9mOdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWJ2jDa_DI
for the life of me i can't understand how anyone can possibly believe we would be more free or have a less intrusive govt under republican/conservative rule.
the stupid shit people would be in prison for is endless. you sucked a dick go to jail. you buggered your wife go to jail. you fed the homeless go to jail, you gambled online go to jail, you drank on sunday go to jail...
and you're worried someone might not get a new hip at 79 as opposed to what? starving to death under mitt romney's entitlement hogwash stripping them of their social security? we won't have working poor we will have the working starving to death.
What green jobs that were foreign did he invest in. What no one sees is the benefits Buy American has had, the huge push for green energy on military bases and housing, and the 30% tax credit for solar thermal and pv, and wind... Installs double or triple every year as do the jobs. Our construction companies were dwindling and now many of the roofers, electricians and plumbers are growing their crews every year now that they have gotten into the Solar electric and Hot Water game, roofers are also making a killing applying Cool Roof coatings to homes to decrease the internal temperature and keep cooling bills down.
Yes, lets just burn through our reserves, so that when we really need it, like maybe for a war or something, it won't be there. Also keep it for future generations to use in production of things for which we have no alternatives.
it has nothing to do with oil and everything to do with the petrodollar which is the foundation for US economic power. once OPEC dumps the dollar NOBODY ELSE NEEDS IT except for our heaviest trading partners which would be Mexico, China and Canada.
once the demand for the dollar stops there will be SERIOUS structural adjustments to the US economy. country's that we don't trade with have no use for our currency, there was a fake demand created for US dollars when the US and OPEC made a deal that they would only use dollars for oil transactions and the US would provide them with military support.
No impact? How about a 40 hour work week for starters?
according to empirical data collected on EVERY OTHER ECONOMY in the world, known world global wage history and economists, they had a profound impact.
and it's all right here in the ILO Global Wage Report from 2008/2009
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---dgreports/---dcomm/documents/publication/wcms_100786.pdf
"The essence of what labor unions do - give workers a stronger voice so that they can get a fair share of the economic growth they help create - is and has always been important to making the economy work for all Americans. And unions only become more important as the economy worsens."
i don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
i don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
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poppa_cracker
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I live on the gulf coast and the fishing here is better than ever! I caught several 30lbs snapper this year. And the beaches are beautiful
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It is very easy to tell the liberal agenda in the schools is definitely working...
you mean like actually using world history and empirical data to make real word decisions on policy?
vs using ideology that is not supported by empirical data or world history...gee I wonder who's wrong
dave 236
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They also make every single one of those workers less important as an individual. If you've ever been part of a union you cant disagree with that.
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i have. chambermaids are unionized in vegas. great fucking money. 400 plus a week in the late 70s. i'm very pro union. the only people against them seem to be employers that want to treat workers like shit.
people who say unions are responsible for factories being built in other countries don't seem to have been there when this was done largely to avoiding pollution regulations.
and you think the non-union worker is any less important? they just don't get the same pay, benefits or worker protections.
labor has been thown to the dogs in the US, NOBODY represnts them when it comes to policy, everything goes to helping capital.
US workers are the LEAST protected in the OECD and the US also has the highest percentage of low paid workers because of that. all clearly stated in the ILO report above which used data collected from dozens of country's over the past 30 years.
They gave us the weekend, and gave us back our childhoods. You could have been working in a sweatshop on your 5th birthday instead of going to kindergarten for free(yeah the first American Trade Unions pushed for free public education)...
Workers Comp, Paid vacation, Sick Leave, holidays with pay, and on and on....
These have existed forever though, guilds, masters and apprenticeships, and on and on...
They have set a precedent that will and is taking hold in developing countries that will eventually cause a new swell in domestic manufacturing, and get us closer to a trade balance of exporting as much as we import....
and guess what the IMF tells developing country's NOT TO DO...model the policy in regards to labor after the US
what year did the unions do all that stuff?
how can they have such an impact (like you claim) while only representing only a small fraction of the work force?
why did all the non unions shops go to 40 hour work week, paid vac, sick days, holidays ect....?
you can kiss the 40 hour work week goodbye due to Obama (care). damn, talk about destroying the labor movement.....
These battles between workers and pigs has been ongoing since the Philly carpenters strike in the 1790's, for 10 hour days.
Way back in 1860's, these words were uttered and still ring true today, because they are hoping you forget those that came before you.
"The first and great necessity of the present to free labour of this country from capitalist slavery, is the passing of a law by which eight hours shall be the normal working day in all States of the American Union. We are resolved to put forth all our strength until this glorious result is achieved."
Way back in 1860's, these words were uttered and still ring true today, because they are hoping you forget those that came before you.
"The first and great necessity of the present to free labour of this country from capitalist slavery, is the passing of a law by which eight hours shall be the normal working day in all States of the American Union. We are resolved to put forth all our strength until this glorious result is achieved."
except for the fact that that ended decades ago in the majority of the country for the hourly compensated wage employee and the salaried employee, it's already happened it can't "happen again".
1938 Fair Labor Standard Act
the private sector doesn't do anything VOLUNTARILY to benefit labor it has to be forced to by law, world economic history clearly shows this time and time again.
a person would have had a better chance of finding bigfoot while riding a unicorn before waiting for the private sector in the US to ever "do the right thing".
the US was founded on exploitation of one group by another and that continues today with finance capital destroying the real economy.
dave 236
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I have worked for 2 different unions. I have also personally been told as well as seen others be told to- and im not even kidding a bit- not work so hard or fast as it wouldn't look good on the other shift employees if mgmt knew we could do more than agreed. I did maintenance for one mill and was told to wait 2 hours once to do a 20 minute job because i wasn't a plumber and it would be that long for one to arrive from another area. I needed a plumber to watch me tighten a fitting. Not do it himself mind you but to supervise me doing it. Im not against unions just union tactics in alot of cases.
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dave 236
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They tend to bring everyone to a level of mediocrity of performance at least in our area of the country.
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that happens in the private sector as well, I got run out of two private firms for doing the exact same thing as I made those above me look incompetent as workers stopped going to them for guidance and started coming to me.
Things like child labor have nothing to do with our need for unions now. There's always going to be some group on the front lines fighting for a cause but at some point they may not be needed. I don't know anyone in an abolitionist group. Without abolitionists have we reverted back to slavery, no.
Are you seriously that daft? The non-union shops did that because they had to compete with the union shops for workers.
Obamacare has zero to do with it. It's a convenient excuse to pay people less by lowering their hours.
