Need advice on perscribed TRT meds.

[Healthy1]

He told me if I wanted to bump it up more than I needed to find another doctor..So, are endo's or urologists better for TRT?

I was seeing a urologist but he only kept me in the 600's. I just signed up with an online TRT clinic. They will get and keep your level around 1200. You have to submit a copy of a physical that was done within the last year then you have a 1 hour phone consult with their Dr to discuss your labs and program details. There is a $450 enrollment fee but if I get you a discount code then it's only $299 and that covers all your labs and the consult fee. They provide everything like the test c, AI, HCG and they have HGH and nutrition plans available too. It's about $125 per month when you average it out over a year which I think is great. PM me if you would like the discount code. Please note that I do not work there, I am just a client there.

 

[flagsup]

I was seeing a urologist but he only kept me in the 600's. I just signed up with an online TRT clinic. They will get and keep your level around 1200. You have to submit a copy of a physical that was done within the last year then you have a 1 hour phone consult with their Dr to discuss your labs and program details. There is a $450 enrollment fee but if I get you a discount code then it's only $299 and that covers all your labs and the consult fee. They provide everything like the test c, AI, HCG and they have HGH and nutrition plans available too. It's about $125 per month when you average it out over a year which I think is great. PM me if you would like the discount code. Please note that I do not work there, I am just a client there.

That sounds pretty reasonable, let me discuss with my wife first. Do you have to go see the doctor once a year also?

 

[Healthy1]

That sounds pretty reasonable, let me discuss with my wife first. Do you have to go see the doctor once a year also?

You need to submit a physical once a year and it can be from your own Dr. You should be getting that done whether for TRT purposes or not. Just saying.

 

[s2h]

cut your adex back like Moe said too eod..your e2 is on the lower side...that will help..

are you taking a diuretic daily like HCTZ?..it looks like it in your labs..

 

[flagsup]

cut your adex back like Moe said too eod..your e2 is on the lower side...that will help..

are you taking a diuretic daily like HCTZ?..it looks like it in your labs..

I cut back to eod, and no I am not taking a diuretic, except 1 cup coffee a day...I take some fiber, maca, tribulus, in my protein shake and vit e, d3, co q10. I have tried to keep sthings at a minimum until I get things dialed in some..

 

[flagsup]

You need to submit a physical once a year and it can be from your own Dr. You should be getting that done whether for TRT purposes or not. Just saying.

I do get a physical once a year and wife didn't think that was too bad, just wanted to wait till october if thats what I wanted to do..she knows the bullshit I have had with doc, she don't really care as long as it doesn't effect my libido..lol

 

[independent]

I do get a physical once a year and wife didn't think that was too bad, just wanted to wait till october if thats what I wanted to do..she knows the bullshit I have had with doc, she don't really care as long as it doesn't effect my libido..lol

Keep your doc and just add a bit more test on your own. Probably much cheaper than a clinic.

 

[flagsup]

Keep your doc and just add a bit more test on your own. Probably much cheaper than a clinic.

with seeing my labs Big Moe, what would your recommendation be...Test, HCG, Adex?? And if I supplement test, how long should I come down on my dose before I run labs for endo?

 

[independent]

with seeing my labs Big Moe, what would your recommendation be...Test, HCG, Adex?? And if I supplement test, how long should I come down on my dose before I run labs for endo?

I think hcg will get you in the sweet spot but a little more test could do the same. Hcg does make the body produce other hormones that you might be lacking. Its worth trying and cheap.

 

[flagsup]

I think hcg will get you in the sweet spot but a little more test could do the same. Hcg does make the body produce other hormones that you might be lacking. Its worth trying and cheap.

That is also an option I was looking at, deffinately easier for me to get and cheap...You said it also raises e2 levels, it seems like I take quite a bit of adex now, do I then go .25 ed?

 

[independent]

That is also an option I was looking at, deffinately easier for me to get and cheap...You said it also raises e2 levels, it seems like I take quite a bit of adex now, do I then go .25 ed?

Honestly just a 150mgs of test a week, no ai or hcg would be much simpler and could get you where you want.

 

[Healthy1]

That is also an option I was looking at, deffinately easier for me to get and cheap...You said it also raises e2 levels, it seems like I take quite a bit of adex now, do I then go .25 ed?

$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.

 

[flagsup]

$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.[/QUOT

Big Moe seems to know his shit...I am trying to get as much info as I can and decide what is right for me...I have checked into trt clinics but they all run $199/month and I can't afford that. i have insurance so my labs run there don't cost anything, when I run at private labs, costs me $59 every couple of months, my test runs $105 about every 4 months at where I am at. I am curious about what you talk about compared to what I pay now...Is this payed out in lump sections?

 

[Healthy1]

$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.[/QUOT

Big Moe seems to know his shit...I am trying to get as much info as I can and decide what is right for me...I have checked into trt clinics but they all run $199/month and I can't afford that. i have insurance so my labs run there don't cost anything, when I run at private labs, costs me $59 every couple of months, my test runs $105 about every 4 months at where I am at. I am curious about what you talk about compared to what I pay now...Is this payed out in lump sections?

Bigmoe does know his shit and he'll be the first to tell you that a reg dr will just keep you in the lower ranges so you're still going to have to supplement that and who knows what kind of quality gear you will be getting. Clinic will keep you in the high range with pharma quality.

Full metabolic labs every 6 months including consult is $170 ($340 a year), 10 mL test C is $129 ($670 a year @200mL per week), hCG is $40 for 5,000iu ($416 a year @ 1,000iu a week), Anastrazole $62 a year at Walgreen's (ten 1g tabs = $12, dosed at 0.5g 2X a week)

That's $1,488 a year or $124 a month.

 

[tarheels15]

$124 a month is pretty damn good, everywhere Ive checked is over 200 a month. Thats with less test and hcg.

 

[independent]

$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.[/QUOT

Big Moe seems to know his shit...I am trying to get as much info as I can and decide what is right for me...I have checked into trt clinics but they all run $199/month and I can't afford that. i have insurance so my labs run there don't cost anything, when I run at private labs, costs me $59 every couple of months, my test runs $105 about every 4 months at where I am at. I am curious about what you talk about compared to what I pay now...Is this payed out in lump sections?

One of the main reasons i like hcg is its like a safety net, if you ever need to come off trt you are only partially shut down, makes it easier to recover. On the flip side, hcg causes a raise in e2 and you have to do 2 additional injections a week and have to use an ai which probably could be avoided on only 150mgs of test. Trt can be a juggling act that gets old real quick so keeping it as simple as possible makes it much easier to manage. I currently went of trt due to hair shedding, so im reevaluating my situation.

 

[flagsup]

Bigmoe does know his shit and he'll be the first to tell you that a reg dr will just keep you in the lower ranges so you're still going to have to supplement that and who knows what kind of quality gear you will be getting. Clinic will keep you in the high range with pharma quality.

Full metabolic labs every 6 months including consult is $170 ($340 a year), 10 mL test C is $129 ($670 a year @200mL per week), hCG is $40 for 5,000iu ($416 a year @ 1,000iu a week), Anastrazole $62 a year at Walgreen's (ten 1g tabs = $12, dosed at 0.5g 2X a week)

That's $1,488 a year or $124 a month.

That's pretty dang good. Right now, with my script, labs, arimidex, buying hcg, extra test, runs me 95/month but you are right about not sure what test I am getting.That part does bother me.. Do you actually get a perscription from the doctor? Do you have to go see him in person once a year? If you don't require the full 200 mg/week is the price adjusted or is it an all inclusive deal no matter what dose you take? You said there is an initial cost, is it then payed out every month throughout the year or is there a couple lump sums through the year? I have just heard so much on HCG not being necessary unless you are still wanting kids, I don't, but others also stand behind that HCG does the body good anyways...I like that you put this all together in figures, thank you for that...

 

[flagsup]

One of the main reasons i like hcg is its like a safety net, if you ever need to come off trt you are only partially shut down, makes it easier to recover. On the flip side, hcg causes a raise in e2 and you have to do 2 additional injections a week and have to use an ai which probably could be avoided on only 150mgs of test. Trt can be a juggling act that gets old real quick so keeping it as simple as possible makes it much easier to manage. I currently went of trt due to hair shedding, so im reevaluating my situation.

How is that making you feel now? Are you being able to kick back after all this time? My e2 always seems to rise very easily..Even when I did a small cycle of prohormones, my e2 went up and I had to take stuff to lower that. I cut back to eod like you suggested and it seems to be working good.

 

[Healthy1]

So far I had to pay the $299 initial fee up front and that covered the first labs and consult fee. My consult with the Dr is on Monday and is by telephone. You can see your own Dr annually and just give the clinic Dr a copy of each yearly physical. I would assume that after the consult he'll prescribe a program for me then when I pay for it they will overnight my meds. I'm sure prices would be lower for a lesser dose or less meds in general. I'm just putting the charges on a credit card then will pay $125/mo on the card and that should keep it paid down. Another dude actually posted the numbers up so I can't take credit for that but anyway I hope it helps.

 

[flagsup]

So far I had to pay the $299 initial fee up front and that covered the first labs and consult fee. My consult with the Dr is on Monday and is by telephone. You can see your own Dr annually and just give the clinic Dr a copy of each yearly physical. I would assume that after the consult he'll prescribe a program for me then when I pay for it they will overnight my meds. I'm sure prices would be lower for a lesser dose or less meds in general. I'm just putting the charges on a credit card then will pay $125/mo on the card and that should keep it paid down. Another dude actually posted the numbers up so I can't take credit for that but anyway I hope it helps.

Helps out alot, thank-you. I will be in touch..

 

[sneedham]

well I can't up my test without ordering some from a sponsor here, my script will run out too soon. Not sure if i want to chance that just yet..I have been following your post sneedham and your talk with Big Moe, adding HCG might just give me that boost in my test and overall good feeling. I can't have kids so not concerned in that area but it will help raise my test and feeling good, then great..BTW, how are you feeling these days since you started your HCG? Is it normal to have such low LH and FSH while on trt?

Flagsup I am doing great..I did stop the hcg but that is because I used it all...lol the hcg did give me a better overall feeling..and yes your lh and fsh will be low...

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[flagsup]

in your opinion, if you had the choice to either bump bump it up by using HCG or by throwing a little more test in there, what would you do.I have been reading your logs and you went through exactly what I'm going through now.

 

[sneedham]

in your opinion, if you had the choice to either bump bump it up by using HCG or by throwing a little more test in there, what would you do.I have been reading your logs and you went through exactly what I'm going through now.

Imo I would bump the test..

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[flagsup]

Ok, thanks for all your input. Its very helpful.

 

[flood]

Ok, thanks for all your input. Its very helpful.

I'm in WA too and a guy says he'll PM me when his post count is high enough on another board. PM me and I'll let you know how I'm doing too.
One Dr refused to help me so far, not familiar.
Keep me posted bro.

 

[s2h]

I cut back to eod, and no I am not taking a diuretic, except 1 cup coffee a day...I take some fiber, maca, tribulus, in my protein shake and vit e, d3, co q10. I have tried to keep sthings at a minimum until I get things dialed in some..

Cut your adex back to .5mg the day after you inject only(so 2 x ew total)....this will bring your estrogen up just a little....its a bit low....you could use a mineral OTC supp also...your a little low in those values also...

I just got labs back a week ago from my bi-yearly TRT appt..

I was on 200mg ew Watson Cyp(split 100mg Mon&Thursday)
3 caps IML Cyanostane
12.5mg aromasin(Tuesday&Friday)
5mg cialis ed(purchase peptides liquid)
25mcg cytomel(pp liquid)

Serum Testoterone-1376ng/dl(350-1000 scale)
Free Testosterone-556ng/dl(35-150 scale)

So my total test was about where it should be...but free test was the highest its ever been on that dose...hell almost any dose....lol...prior it was in the 225-250 range...e2 was slightly low normal....

So what help drive the free test #?..idk for sure...first set of labs on cyanostane and/or cialis....I'm gonna retest in. a month minus the cyanostane and get a look at that..

But for sure on TRT I have found that dosing the AI the days after the injection while test is starting to peak it allows for more free test....also find that Aromasin works better then Arimidex for me...

Its possible that the cyanostane blinded some with the SHBG allowing more free test...high serum levels are cool to look at but free unbound test is what matters the most....

Good luck in your quest for more free test...

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Good luck in your quest for more free test...

Your a poet and didn't even know it.

 

[s2h]

Your a poet and didn't even know it.

I know how to rhyme but only sometime

 

[flagsup]

Cut your adex back to .5mg the day after you inject only(so 2 x ew total)....this will bring your estrogen up just a little....its a bit low....you could use a mineral OTC supp also...your a little low in those values also...

I just got labs back a week ago from my bi-yearly TRT appt..

I was on 200mg ew Watson Cyp(split 100mg Mon&Thursday)
3 caps IML Cyanostane
12.5mg aromasin(Tuesday&Friday)
5mg cialis ed(purchase peptides liquid)
25mcg cytomel(pp liquid)

Serum Testoterone-1376ng/dl(350-1000 scale)
Free Testosterone-556ng/dl(35-150 scale)

So my total test was about where it should be...but free test was the highest its ever been on that dose...hell almost any dose....lol...prior it was in the 225-250 range...e2 was slightly low normal....

So what help drive the free test #?..idk for sure...first set of labs on cyanostane and/or cialis....I'm gonna retest in. a month minus the cyanostane and get a look at that..

But for sure on TRT I have found that dosing the AI the days after the injection while test is starting to peak it allows for more free test....also find that Aromasin works better then Arimidex for me...

Its possible that the cyanostane blinded some with the SHBG allowing more free test...high serum levels are cool to look at but free unbound test is what matters the most....

Good luck in your quest for more free test...

I was thinkin about trying aromasin, dose day after like the arimidex? 12.5 or is that too high? I have used cyanostane before with good luck, was wondering about running with TRT dose...

 

[flagsup]

Cut your adex back to .5mg the day after you inject only(so 2 x ew total)....this will bring your estrogen up just a little....its a bit low....you could use a mineral OTC supp also...your a little low in those values also...

I just got labs back a week ago from my bi-yearly TRT appt..

I was on 200mg ew Watson Cyp(split 100mg Mon&Thursday)
3 caps IML Cyanostane
12.5mg aromasin(Tuesday&Friday)
5mg cialis ed(purchase peptides liquid)
25mcg cytomel(pp liquid)

Serum Testoterone-1376ng/dl(350-1000 scale)
Free Testosterone-556ng/dl(35-150 scale)

So my total test was about where it should be...but free test was the highest its ever been on that dose...hell almost any dose....lol...prior it was in the 225-250 range...e2 was slightly low normal....

So what help drive the free test #?..idk for sure...first set of labs on cyanostane and/or cialis....I'm gonna retest in. a month minus the cyanostane and get a look at that..

But for sure on TRT I have found that dosing the AI the days after the injection while test is starting to peak it allows for more free test....also find that Aromasin works better then Arimidex for me...

Its possible that the cyanostane blinded some with the SHBG allowing more free test...high serum levels are cool to look at but free unbound test is what matters the most....

Good luck in your quest for more free test...

vit d3 5000mg ,.vit e 400iu,.. coq10 50mg per day. fish oil 3000mg I also take every day. what minerals are you referring to???