Countdown To War

[jay_steel]

i'm a little out of touch with current military SOP's..isn't it a reg that both parents cant be deployed if they have minor children in there care..even if they are divorced?..just curious if that policy has changed due to the large amount of troops deployed..

yeah one parent has to be home, unless they elect to wave that right and have a family member be a caretaker of the child then a legal power of attorneys have to be completed. This doesnt normally happen in active but it happens all the time in the Reserves. One spouse will be active and deployed and the reserve spouse will have to complete their required 2 week training. Some times they can get local training for them but if not they look to see if that spouse has immediate family that can care for them, if not then a waiver is granted to waive this years annual training.

 

[Little Wing]

there is one thing to be a critic of military actions, but to say a women in a picture who serves killed innocent children is horrendous and slanderous on her part. The military it self makes TONS of stupid decisions because they are made by people who have no clue what war is actually like and are not their in the work force conducting business. You can be judge those who make mistakes, but that image portrays all military service members as baby killers. That I take great offence with, after my first tour to Iraq after buring friends who i grew up with. Where I live we are a small town, but have lost the most amount of people to this war based on population. 3 guys just in my class together died and my friends mother lost 2 of her kids in the same year. But besides that after going to their funerals and getting home back to san diego I was greated with people throwing rocks at me and spitting on me. After I got back from Thailand I flew in to LAX and had some one verbally abuse me and I was on a humanitarian effort. People are ignorant and i find it funny they LW cares so much for the poors feelings and needs but has no care for the service memebers.

do me a favor and collect and post photos of all the children you're ok with calling "collateral damage" that this country has stacked up in the last 13 years. then hush. being ordered to kill children by an out of control military with a corrupt agenda doesn't make it ok. Our military kills little kids and calls it collateral damage... deal with it and stop excusing it. i'm pretty sure you wouldn't be so quick to rationalize it if it was your kids getting blown to shit. but it's not is it so it's some kind of twisted ok? it wouldn't matter that some of their soldiers pass out candy when some others throw it in front of trucks so they can run over the AMERICAN kids that go to gather it up. your sense of outrage would be less huh?


Brandon Bryant: Drone operator followed orders to shoot a child... and decided he had to quit | Mail Online

 

[Little Wing]

how is that wrong? she is taking care of her kids, providing full medical benefits, in most states a free college education, you have no right to judge some one that you have no clue about period. Lets see how well and successful your kids are compared to some of the military moms and see how your parenting levelled up.

A real parent will put their lives on the line to make sure their child is provided for. How do you know she isnt a single mom and the military is the only way she can support her child without being on welfare and she has family support when she deploys. I know TONS of single moms in the military that wouldnt be able to make close to the amount of money as a civillian or provide for their children with the equal life style. You throw stones at people that you have no clue about.

you forget i'm a daycare provider. i see the tears when parents drop sleepy kids off. i hold and comfort them and try to explain to the little toddler with the trembling lip that mommy loves them but needs to work. i think a real parent that wants to pass on a good country to their child and a sane military would not just obediently go commit war crimes when they can easily see this military action and so many before it are completely bogus. a real parent teaches their kids to think and to be very careful what path their feet follow. to not just blindly chase a dollar into combat. gonna go kill some kids for a bunch of lying sacks of shit politicians today to put bread and buttah on the table isn't a legacy any child wants from their parent. and hmmmm... now you say you can't make that money as a civilian yet i think you're one of the people that argues against giving American laborers a livable wage to get them off welfare.

and you do NOT know tons of single moms in the military. In July of 1992, DOD published DOD Instruction 1342.19, Family Care Plans, to standardize the requirements for all of the military services. Additionally, the military services stopped accepting single-parents for enlistment in the military.

That's 21 years ago genius. And now the percentage of single parents is very very small.

 

[Little Wing]

Single Parents are not allowed to enlist in the US Military, period. Except for the Army National Guard, waiver approvals are very, very, very rare, and most recruiters won't even submit one. In the "old days," some recruits would try to get around this restriction by giving up legal custody of their child(ren) until after basic training and job school, but the military has wised up to this practice.
For example, in the Marine Corps, one must give up legal custody (by court order) of their child(ren), and then wait one year or more before being eligible for enlistment. For Navy enlistments, the waiting period is six months and the court-order must make it very plain that the transfer in custody is permanent.

yea, tons. and i wonder why? even the retarded military agrees kids need their parent. period.

 

[heckler7]

^^ I don't know anyone who is ok with killing children, I wish there was a way to get our government to do what you and I would like, the fact is our bank accounts together isn't enough to get a politician to give 2 shits about what we want.

 

[jay_steel]

do me a favor and collect and post photos of all the children you're ok with calling "collateral damage" that this country has stacked up in the last 13 years. then hush. being ordered to kill children by an out of control military with a corrupt agenda doesn't make it ok. Our military kills little kids and calls it collateral damage... deal with it and stop excusing it. i'm pretty sure you wouldn't be so quick to rationalize it if it was your kids getting blown to shit. but it's not is it so it's some kind of twisted ok? it wouldn't matter that some of their soldiers pass out candy when some others throw it in front of trucks so they can run over the AMERICAN kids that go to gather it up. your sense of outrage would be less huh?


Brandon Bryant: Drone operator followed orders to shoot a child... and decided he had to quit | Mail Online

i would like this fact checked i have been in the war 3 times in both countries and have never been directed to kill children. Yes children die, but the majority of those images that you see is propaganda and are actually at fault from suicide bombers and IED's. Most of the air strikes and ect that are completed that are done faulty are the result of civilians wanting to play war not the military. So again you can copy paste everything your want and believe every media source you choice to.

you forget i'm a daycare provider. i see the tears when parents drop sleepy kids off. i hold and comfort them and try to explain to the little toddler with the trembling lip that mommy loves them but needs to work. i think a real parent that wants to pass on a good country to their child and a sane military would not just obediently go commit war crimes when they can easily see this military action and so many before it are completely bogus. a real parent teaches their kids to think and to be very careful what path their feet follow. to not just blindly chase a dollar into combat. gonna go kill some kids for a bunch of lying sacks of shit politicians today to put bread and buttah on the table isn't a legacy any child wants from their parent. and hmmmm... now you say you can't make that money as a civilian yet i think you're one of the people that argues against giving American laborers a livable wage to get them off welfare.

and you do NOT know tons of single moms in the military. In July of 1992, DOD published DOD Instruction 1342.19, Family Care Plans, to standardize the requirements for all of the military services. Additionally, the military services stopped accepting single-parents for enlistment in the military.

That's 21 years ago genius. And now the percentage of single parents is very very small.

Single Parents are not allowed to enlist in the US Military, period. Except for the Army National Guard, waiver approvals are very, very, very rare, and most recruiters won't even submit one. In the "old days," some recruits would try to get around this restriction by giving up legal custody of their child(ren) until after basic training and job school, but the military has wised up to this practice.
For example, in the Marine Corps, one must give up legal custody (by court order) of their child(ren), and then wait one year or more before being eligible for enlistment. For Navy enlistments, the waiting period is six months and the court-order must make it very plain that the transfer in custody is permanent.

yea, tons. and i wonder why? even the retarded military agrees kids need their parent. period.

Just wanted to make that bold statement stand out a lil more. For someone who is against drone strikes you sure loved Obama who is the biggest supporter of drone warfare.

Also you are so wrong on this statement there are ALLOT of single parents in the military. I was a recruiter and I am also a Leading Petty Officer (LPO) in the Navy. So I handle allot of single parent issues with my guys all the time.

First yes you can not enlist technically as a full custody single parent... True. However, many people do enlist and grant their mother sole custody and have less then 50% custody of their child while going through basic and then regain custody after basic training. This is VERY common. I am sure your going to judge them and say how much of a better parent you are, but a real parent will do what ever it takes to provide for their child. My father was a long hawl truck driver, it was the only way i could get food on the table was for him to drive cross country, i say him 4 times a month. My mom worked 3 jobs and i only saw her 3 hours a night and we lived pay check to paycheck. A parent has to do EVERY thing they can to provide so how dare you judge someone who is willing to be a stand up parent and not a welfare leach.

Also many military members do get a divorce and will maintain custody of their children. Most judges will actually give full custody to the military member over the none military member due to the fact of the medical facilities on base and they know they will be provided for. Yes there are some shitty parents in the military so save your time and dont go google some more bull shit that no one but your self will read.

So yes there are TONS of single parents in the military, some actually join the reserves first which you can as a single parent and transfer over to active duty, all you need to do is a power of attorney and a family care plan stating that in case your deployed someone you trust can care for your child. I know a Navy Seal who has full custody of his child and when he deploys his mother comes and takes care of them in San Diego, because his wife past away. Now if you can not complete a valid family care plan then you will be transferred to shore duty, and then based on your performance and if you can now get a family care plan completed they will decide if you can re enlist.

These are facts...

 

[jay_steel]

^^ I don't know anyone who is ok with killing children, I wish there was a way to get our government to do what you and I would like, the fact is our bank accounts together isn't enough to get a politician to give 2 shits about what we want.

If any one is responsible for killing children it is the politicians that are in office now the military. Obama is the one putting in the drone strikes, instead of using precision military tactics and utilizing Seals, SF, Rangers, and MARSOC.

 

[Little Wing]

America is the people, the people who wake up every day to go to work

for shit wages that keep many in poverty and some on foodstamps and even homeless.




go to school

in shitty performing schools where they have to collect box tops for books and students are always in danger of being shot


the truck drivers busting their ass to get loads in on time

striking to unionize. good for them.

, the constructionmen working in 110 degree heat

and hit very hard by recession.

, the military service members who are willing to die for their people and put up with bull shit wars just so they can serve their country.

the country isn't the flag and govt as you so stated. it's the citizens and we are sick of the permawar... so how the hell is the military serving us?

The Flag represents the constitution, the founding fathers who risked it all by signing it.

hmmm maybe it should say our rapidly ERODING constitution. have you heard about stop and frisk? people being arrested for singing? the militarization of our police? this prism bullshit?

The level of courage and independence that someone can have. The is the American Flag...

the cops can search through your phone if they stop and question you even if you have committed no crime.


So yes I would die for that flag and I would die for America, but i will not fight a politicians war.

they are all politician's wars now.

I would take up arms to defend this constitution and this land, because I value what it means to be free. While the only experience you have is finding uncredited youtube videos, i have seen sex trafficing, slavery, murder, hangings, 3rd world countries and what its like not to be free. Their is no video that can EVER express these problems. That is why i fight and love this country so much, because as you bitch about some of the stupid shit in this country you have zero conception of what not being free is like.

so it's ok that our government has run amok and is abusing it's citizens because we are not the same as a third world country YET. and btw, you can see sex trafficking, slavery, murder, and butchery right here every damned day all day long. kids beaten to death by their parents, babies raped, cops getting away with murder, child pornography... maybe we should pay attention to fixing this shit huh?

Maybe you are just to quick to give up because our politicians are fucking tools, and the one if office is destroying our country if not more then Bush did. But I will never give up on this land,

i think accepting that politicians are idiots and blindly marching into battle for a paycheck despite the fact is giving up. pretty much saying this country is corrupt and stupid but oh well... there is nothing i can do.

I owe it to my family and my brother hood. Every one in the past in WW1 and WW2 who died to protect those stars. Its called patriotism, something you may never be able to express. But do your self a favor next time you hear the national anthem play. Don't fake it and lie, just sit down and put your head down. You do the flag is disjustice if you were to embrace it like everyone else.


maybe we owe it to those people to make this country a sane one not just accept the shit stain it's becoming??? maybe we owe it to those stars to make them mean more than the usa is a bunch of money grubbing, power drunk, corrupt whores.

 

[jay_steel]

But LW can not blame her beloved Obama or Democrats she has to blame the military service members. At this point I would love every service member to be selfish get out and start their own coalition to only fight for them selves. Then see how fast our country loses power. I agree that the top fat out of touch guys on top making decisions are piece of shits, but every ground pounder, salty dog, and flyboy deserves the respect of his country.

 

[jay_steel]

LW why dont you pack your bags and leave this country then... Just a question since you despise it so much.

 

[dieseljimmy]

well this has gotten to emotional to abstract reality from it

 

[Little Wing]

or maybe why don't i try and fix it rather than just accept it and march off to kill people in a bumfuck desert somewhere.

 

[Little Wing]

^^ I don't know anyone who is ok with killing children, I wish there was a way to get our government to do what you and I would like, the fact is our bank accounts together isn't enough to get a politician to give 2 shits about what we want.

exactly. and like it or not our flag represents what we have become not what we once were.

 

[Little Wing]

But LW can not blame her beloved Obama or Democrats she has to blame the military service members. At this point I would love every service member to be selfish get out and start their own coalition to only fight for them selves. Then see how fast our country loses power. I agree that the top fat out of touch guys on top making decisions are piece of shits, but every ground pounder, salty dog, and flyboy deserves the respect of his country.

just because i liked obama more than a guy making money off chinese slaves and sending american jobs there doesn't mean he is my beloved anything. it's me that keeps saying if people want to hurt him they need to compile a collage of all the children being killed by drones. give them faces.

do you mean concentrate on fixing this sinking ship and letting the assholes on the other side of the world fight amongst themselves like they have been for thousands of years? how is that a bad thing?

 

[Little Wing]

Syria... in case anyone's wondering still, hell fucking no. get your head out of your ass and fix this country first.

 

[jay_steel]

evreything you stated is the result of people becoming sheep to the politicians and not owning up for what they want to be but accepting what they feel their fate is. I grew up POOR, the only reason i was not on welfare is because my mom refused it and took 3 jobs. I got beat up for being white in a mexican part of town. My mom busted her ass to send me to a better school. So now were even more broke cause rent went from 300 to 800$ in the 90's. I refused to accept the fate that was deemed for me so i busted my ass and now i make over 100k a year.. Well not sure yet this year will be my first big pay out but 8k a month after taxes.

I also know other kids who grew up in the ghetto that had a natural work ethic who fought to not be lazy and accept what society deemed them as and are now very successful. See the problem with this country is people with your mind set they accept it and fall victim of what they feel society has planned for them. They have no desire to take an ethical risk in life to better them selves or work hard. I still want more out of my life so I personally work 3 jobs and I am a full time student. IT/Farmer/Reservist... All of this was accomplished with ZERO $ from parents or help from anyone. So why cant everyone else do this? I sought out goals and did not stop until they were completed.

You may accept what the sheep of this country have turned to be I refuse to give up. Maybe failure and giving up is in your nature, i do not blame you for that but pitty it.

As for relating this country to other countries rapes, trafficking and drugs you are nuts. Americans have it SOOO easy, the crime committed here is no where what it is over seas. The scale is unmeasurable...

As for underpaying jobs, then maybe they should have found a way to better market them selves at a younger age before they put them selves in that position. If your 30 working at mcdonalds with no education thats your fault no one elses but your fault. If you have no skills or talents guess what your making 8$ an hour, if you dont like it take online courses, get certifications, invest in your career. Dont expect others to hold your hand when your a damn adult.

 

[jay_steel]

just because i liked obama more than a guy making money off chinese slaves and sending american jobs there doesn't mean he is my beloved anything. it's me that keeps saying if people want to hurt him they need to compile a collage of all the children being killed by drones. give them faces.

do you mean concentrate on fixing this sinking ship and letting the assholes on the other side of the world fight amongst themselves like they have been for thousands of years? how is that a bad thing?

Obama is Romney were the same thing if you dont think jobs are still being outsourced and anything has changed with jobs because of Obama your foolish and believe the hype. The only difference with Obama and Romney is Obama came with a pretty little bow on it called Obama care. Which in this case i would rather have the other evil and keep our current health care system. Yes it needs to be changed but not the way this guys doing it.

Ron Paul FTW...

I mean stop defending people who not appreciate the military service members service and let another country come in take control of you while they just defend the ones that appreciate them. Next time you see a man in uniform please tell him you dont appreciate his service and hes a baby killer, have the balls to stand up for what you believe, because if i saw a protester conducting anti military shit i would stand up for the service member and speak my mind. So please next time you see them be truthful and tell them you piss on the flag.

 

[jay_steel]

but you got your point accross you hate the military service members, hate this country and flag...

I support the hard-working Americans who will fight to keep this land free. Unfortunately the service members dont decide the wars we go into those are the politicians we vote into office. So if you posted a picture of Obama talking about killing kids i feel that would be much more appropriate.

 

[[SIL]]

it's official..a war between LW and JS..although no chemical weapons has been used yet

 

[Little Wing]

sooo sheep are people who blindly follow the wills of politicians and accept their fate. like marching off to a bullshit war for a paycheck?

 

[Little Wing]

Obama is Romney were the same thing if you dont think jobs are still being outsourced and anything has changed with jobs because of Obama your foolish and believe the hype. The only difference with Obama and Romney is Obama came with a pretty little bow on it called Obama care. Which in this case i would rather have the other evil and keep our current health care system. Yes it needs to be changed but not the way this guys doing it.

Ron Paul FTW...

I mean stop defending people who not appreciate the military service members service and let another country come in take control of you while they just defend the ones that appreciate them. Next time you see a man in uniform please tell him you dont appreciate his service and hes a baby killer, have the balls to stand up for what you believe, because if i saw a protester conducting anti military shit i would stand up for the service member and speak my mind. So please next time you see them be truthful and tell them you piss on the flag.

dear fucking god.... the people coming back from those wars are the ones saying they are distraught and killing themselves because they murdered civilians and children. it's not something i concocted. you say i disrespected that mom soldier but you are just disregarding the heartfelt statements of soldiers destroyed by what they were forced to do there and witnessed there. gets in the way of your paycheck to take it seriously i think.

 

[jay_steel]

sooo sheep are people who blindly follow the wills of politicians and accept their fate. like marching off to a bullshit war for a paycheck?

trust me i did not march off to war for a paycheck.. lol I went to war to fight for what i felt was right. Joined the Navy to become a Seal to find those terrorist and make them pay, realized my ass cant swim no mile, went to tactical cryptologic support, and went to war to try to give the people their a better life and wanted to fight for them for their freedom. Realized it was a political bull shit and got out but stayed in the reserves incase a real reason to fight comes up. But it was not for the Money lol E3 pay on my first deployment was 1000 a month to have bullets fly at my head. Thats what I took home after paying for my gibill, tsp, and social security. So it was not for a paycheck.

We maybe forced to go out their for a bullshit war but our individual reason for fighting are different then the politicians. As much anti military shit you want to say, we have saved lives in Iraq and we have given hope. Unfortunately it went back to shit but the last year i was their the first female was able to get an education. That was what i was fighting for.

 

[jay_steel]

dear fucking god.... the people coming back from those wars are the ones saying they are distraught and killing themselves because they murdered civilians and children. it's not something i concocted. you say i disrespected that mom soldier but you are just disregarding the heartfelt statements of soldiers destroyed by what they were forced to do there and witnessed there. gets in the way of your paycheck to take it seriously i think.

There are not many people committing suicide when they come back it does happen yes, but its not an epidemic. It is a tragedy yes. Yes that pissed me off with that picture, because it puts her image on a war crime that is disgusting degrading and unhonorable. How would you like your picture posted around saying i suck cock for money and drugs. And have your little daughter asking if its true...

This thread has enough, the readers know both sides and can make an educated decision on what is right... so i will end it here.

 

[Little Wing]

trust me i did not march off to war for a paycheck.. lol I went to war to fight for what i felt was right. Joined the Navy to become a Seal to find those terrorist and make them pay, realized my ass cant swim no mile, went to tactical cryptologic support, and went to war to try to give the people their a better life and wanted to fight for them for their freedom. Realized it was a political bull shit and got out but stayed in the reserves incase a real reason to fight comes up. But it was not for the Money lol E3 pay on my first deployment was 1000 a month to have bullets fly at my head. Thats what I took home after paying for my gibill, tsp, and social security. So it was not for a paycheck.

We maybe forced to go out their for a bullshit war but our individual reason for fighting are different then the politicians. As much anti military shit you want to say, we have saved lives in Iraq and we have given hope. Unfortunately it went back to shit but the last year i was their the first female was able to get an education. That was what i was fighting for.

well stay fit because if things keep going like they are we are going to need some good soldiers to overthrow this govt.

 

[jay_steel]

well stay fit because if things keep going like they are we are going to need some good soldiers to overthrow this govt.

all ready have my .338 Lapua, ready to rock

 

[dieseljimmy]

it's official..a war between LW and JS..although no chemical weapons has been used yet

the verbal assaults are significant. but LW is the only one wearing eyeliner

 

[Little Wing]

the verbal assaults are significant. but LW is the only one wearing eyeliner

don't be so sure the other guy isn't using make up. my son had some of this...

 

[SheriV]

Single Parents are not allowed to enlist in the US Military, period. Except for the Army National Guard, waiver approvals are very, very, very rare, and most recruiters won't even submit one. In the "old days," some recruits would try to get around this restriction by giving up legal custody of their child(ren) until after basic training and job school, but the military has wised up to this practice.
For example, in the Marine Corps, one must give up legal custody (by court order) of their child(ren), and then wait one year or more before being eligible for enlistment. For Navy enlistments, the waiting period is six months and the court-order must make it very plain that the transfer in custody is permanent.

yea, tons. and i wonder why? even the retarded military agrees kids need their parent. period.

waivers are granted everyday. I was given a waiver after filling out a "family care plan". No need to give up custody. I was Guard but went to basic with several regular actve duty that also had waivers.
The military doesn't give a fuck on this one, trust me. And if you have to deploy and can't get shit battened down and have to hand your kids over to cps, guess what...hand over your kids to cps or be court martialed .
Also, my unit was a medical unit; ground ambulance attached to a CSH to be specific. My unit provided care for anyone that needed it , even if they were a true enemy combatant.
It is a very strange mentality to have to have, to make the snap decision as to whether you're shooting the small child approaching your convoy getting ready to throw something. Are they throwing a rock? Are they throwing paper-trash? or are they throwing a bomb...and if you hesitate will your brothers and sisters in arms be killed because you couldn't do it.

Thankfully for me...I never had any choices like that, but I don't condemn anyone who has.
yeah, I get it..killing is bad. It should be black and white and I agree politicians are a bunch of entitled fuck faces that causes needless suffering..but not everything is neatly wrapped up and black and white.


and to any civilian, please dont ever ask a vet if they killed someone...ever.

 

[SheriV]

oh, and I marched off for a bullshit war because I saw how disgusting medical care was for vets and I was already a medic

 

[heckler7]

"forget injuries ; never forget kindness. " " What the superior man seeks is in himself what the small man seeks is in others, have no friends not equal to yourself" Confucius 551 BC....... we still cant get our shit together and with all our advancements in medicine, technology. It would be nice to be a superpower nation concerned with the welfare of its own people rather than the destruction of others