Obamacare Website to be Shut Down for Repairs

[IronAddict]

^ This is the healthcare the R's want you to have, remember that wooden boy named mitt and his vision for new China, I mean the new Amerika!

I swear phuqers have a selective memory, and who says we live in a free society? Everything I've seen in my lifetime says otherwise.

People have a right to peacefully gather and voice their opinions, that is a free society. When you gather and get maced and thumped over the head with pr24's because you're fed up with the direction your politicians are leading you and you say enough already, you may as well live in the evil empire....

So we call it!

 

[LAM]

Bob Marshall? one guys opinion. LOL where in obamacare does it say no prison time for not paying your taxes?

what happens when you don't pay taxes to the IRS?

well here it is why don't you point out what pages that's on.

H. R. 3590
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

 

[Swiper]

well here it is why don't you point out what pages that's on.

H. R. 3590
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

Check the tax law penalties of the US and see what happens when you don't pay your taxes.

 

[LAM]

Check the tax law penalties of the US and see what happens when you don't pay your taxes.

I've been audited by the IRS, when it took me 8 years to pay the back taxes I owed them. and after not responding to one single letter or certified letter do you know what they did to me? nothing...

 

[Little Wing]

In a free society should people be forced by their govt with the threat of being put in prison if they don't buy a product from a private company?

yes. so the rest of us don't have to pay your non insurance having bills when you get sick. do you drive without car insurance? it's to protect the rest of us from the other guys stupidity as much as anything else.

 

[Swiper]

I've been audited by the IRS, when it took me 8 years to pay the back taxes I owed them. and after not responding to one single letter or certified letter do you know what they did to me? nothing...

you PAID them back. don't pay them and see what happens next time.

 

[Swiper]

yes. so the rest of us don't have to pay your non insurance having bills when you get sick. do you drive without car insurance? it's to protect the rest of us from the other guys stupidity as much as anything else.

I'll be nice, your view of freedom and liberty is disturbing to say the least.

 

[KelJu]

I'll be nice, your view of freedom and liberty is disturbing to say the least.

She is 100% correct. There are three ways to handle the issue:

1: The way we do it now which is treat everyone regardless of whether you have any means to pay for the care you will receive when you need it most. If you can't pay, then everyone who does pay has to pay more to make up for you not paying your part.

2: Make everyone pay insurance so that everyone is paying their fair share.

3: Don't force anyone to get insurance, but deny health services to anyone who doesn't pay in. That means 911 will not even send an ambulance to you without first verifying your insurance and/or that you have X amount of dollars in the bank that will cover your expected bills.


Solution 3 would most embody freedom and liberty. You would have the freedom to save money by not having insurance. You could set money aside in an account that is for emergencies. If you never need health care, then you can use the money as collateral, or even borrow against it. You could even just say fuck it and not set anything aside, but you will die if you became fatally ill or are involved in an accident. You would have the freedom to die on the side of the road like an animal.

Those are the only options. Personally, I would go with option 3 just because I give zero fucks about dying. Most people are clingy to the idea of being alive and would never go with option 3. Option 1 is the fucking worst. It allows pieces of shit to abuse a system that is paid for by other people.

 

[Swiper]

She is 100% correct. There are three ways to handle the issue:

1: The way we do it now which is treat everyone regardless of whether you have any means to pay for the care you will receive when you need it most. If you can't pay, then everyone who does pay has to pay more to make up for you not paying your part.

2: Make everyone pay insurance so that everyone is paying their fair share.

3: Don't force anyone to get insurance, but deny health services to anyone who doesn't pay in. That means 911 will not even send an ambulance to you without first verifying your insurance and/or that you have X amount of dollars in the bank that will cover your expected bills.


Solution 3 would most embody freedom and liberty. You would have the freedom to save money by not having insurance. You could set money aside in an account that is for emergencies. If you never need health care, then you can use the money as collateral, or even borrow against it. You could even just say fuck it and not set anything aside, but you will die if you became fatally ill or are involved in an accident. You would have the freedom to die on the side of the road like an animal.

Those are the only options. Personally, I would go with option 3 just because I give zero fucks about dying. Most people are clingy to the idea of being alive and would never go with option 3. Option 1 is the fucking worst. It allows pieces of shit to abuse a system that is paid for by other people.

you're missing the point. It's much bigger than some stupid health care law. If govt can force us to buy a product from a private company, what's going to stop them from forcing us to only buy healthy foods, only allowed to have one car to cut down on pollution, you know because it's killing the earth and makes people sick, so why not limit us to one car each? why not make all of the citizens buy a multivitamins so we all stay health so we don't rack up medical bills? why not make all alcohol, tobacco and foods that have a high fat content illegal? you know it's makes people sick, then they need medical treatment. And the list can go on and on and I'm sure there are better examples. do you see what i'm getting at?


The last time govt forced the American people to buy something against their will was the stamp act which helped set off the American revolution. it's astonishing how far we've come.

 

[Swiper]

The Myth of American Freedom
by Andrew P. Napolitano

Does the government work for us or do we work for the government? Is freedom in America a myth or a reality? What if we didn't live in a free country?

​

What if the Constitution were written not to limit government, but to expand it? What if the Constitution didn't fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence, but betrayed it? What if the Constitution actually permitted the government to limit and constrict freedom? What if the Bill of Rights was just a paper promise, that the government could avoid whenever it claimed the need to do so? What if the same generation ? in some cases the same people ? that drafted the U.S. Constitution enacted laws that violated it? What if the merchants and bankers who financed the American Revolution bought their way into the new government and got it to enact laws that stifled their competition? What if the civil war that was fought in the name of freedom actually advanced the cause of tyranny?


What if the federal government were the product of 150 years of stealing power and liberty and property from the people and the states? What if our political elites spent the 20th century importing the socialist ideas of big government Statism from Europe? What if our political class was adopting the European political culture from which our founding fathers fought so hard to break free?

What if our political leaders no longer acknowledged that our rights come from our humanity, but insisted instead that they come from the government? What if you had to produce your papers to get out of or into our once-free country? What if you couldn't board a plane, a train, or a long-distance bus without providing documentation telling the government who you are and where you're going, without paying the government, and without risking sexual assault? What if your local police department could shoot down a plane? What if government agents could write their own search warrants, declare their own enemies, and seize whatever property they want? What if the feds could detain you indefinitely, with no visitors, no lawyer, no judge, and no jury? What if they could make you just disappear? What if the government broke its own laws in order to enforce them? What if the government broke down your front door in the middle of the night and shot your dog, and claimed it was a mistake?

What if you were required to purchase a product that you didn't need, didn't want, and couldn't afford, from a company you never heard of, just as a condition of living in the United States? What if the government told you what not to put in your body as well as what to put into it; and how much? What if the government claimed that since it will be paying your medical bills, it can tell you what to eat, when to sleep, and how to live? What if the government tried to cajole and coax and compel you into behaviors and attitudes it considered socially acceptable? What if the government spent your tax money to advertise to you how great the services are that it provides? What if the government kept promising to make you safe while it kept stripping you of your liberties and committing crimes in your name that made you a target of more violence?


What if you didn't have a right to every dollar you earned? What if the government decided how much of your earnings it will keep and how much it will permit you to have? What if the government took money from you and gave it away to its rich banking and corporate friends whose businesses were failing? What if the government thought it knew better than you did how to lead your life and had no problem telling you so? What if the government took the credit for every success your own human actions helped you achieve? What if the government told you that only it could build roads, run schools, keep you safe, and collect trash even though it's never been able to do so efficiently before? What if the government spent nearly twice as much as it took in? What if it couldn't pass a budget on a timely basis and funded itself just weeks at a time? And what if the government kept borrowing money against the wealth of future generations to pay for wasteful programs today?


What if you worked for the government and the government didn't work for you? What if freedom were a myth? What if we don't live in a free country? What do we do about it?

The Myth of American Freedom by Andrew P. Napolitano

 

[Bowden]

you're missing the point. It's much bigger than some stupid health care law. If govt can force us to buy a product from a private company, what's going to stop them from forcing us to only buy healthy foods, only allowed to have one car to cut down on pollution, you know because it's killing the earth and makes people sick, so why not limit us to one car each? why not make all of the citizens buy a multivitamins so we all stay health so we don't rack up medical bills? why not make all alcohol, tobacco and foods that have a high fat content illegal? you know it's makes people sick, then they need medical treatment. And the list can go on and on and I'm sure there are better examples. do you see what i'm getting at?


The last time govt forced the American people to buy something against their will was the stamp act which helped set off the American revolution. it's astonishing how far we've come.

The government (at least in my state) forces me to buy auto insurance that is sold by a private company against my will.
Do not use the ridiculous argument that it is my choice to drive or not.
Where I live mass transit is limited and there are no other options than to drive.
If I want to work that is.

In addition, I see no reason why I should pay a higher health insurance premium and higher medical costs to subsidize freeloaders that could afford to by health insurance but choose not to do so.
Then they get sick, need medical care and what they cannot pay the medical provider passes the cost to me in the form of cost shifting.
That cost shifting causes my health insurance premiums and health care costs to be higher than they would be without all of the freeloading.

They don't want to buy health insurance fine.
Then they should opt out of receiving any medical care that they cannot afford to pay out of pocket.
Get in an auto accident or acquire a serious medical condition and need major medical that costs 50k and up?
Tough, live with your decision to not buy health insurance get no medical care, live free from big government and die.

 

[Bowden]

I don't know about Obamacare but everyone that can afford to do so should be forced by law to buy catastrophic health care insurance to pay for what they cannot afford out of pocket.
I am tired of paying for their freeloading by increased health care insurance premiums and increased health care costs due to cost shifting.

This freeloading by the uninsured so that they can buy iphones, have cell phone accounts, have cable television ect. ect. instead of buying health care insurance is crap.

 

[Swiper]

I don't know about Obamacare but everyone that can afford to do so should be forced by law to buy catastrophic health care insurance to pay for what they cannot afford out of pocket.
I am tired of paying for their freeloading by increased health care insurance premiums and increased health care costs due to cost shifting.

This freeloading by the uninsured so that they can buy iphones, have cell phone accounts, have cable television ect. ect. instead of buying health care insurance is crap.

why not ban all foods high in fat? it makes people fat which leads to health problems. they'll use up a lot of health care resources and the costs will shift to your premium. so it just makes sense to ban all foods high in fat along with alcohol & tobacco and so on, correct?
Or how about mandating everyone buy a gym membership to stay fit so they don't cause a strain on the health care system? And if they don't, we'll tax the shit out of them. sound good to you?

 

[KelJu]

you're missing the point. It's much bigger than some stupid health care law. If govt can force us to buy a product from a private company, what's going to stop them from forcing us to only buy healthy foods, only allowed to have one car to cut down on pollution, you know because it's killing the earth and makes people sick, so why not limit us to one car each? why not make all of the citizens buy a multivitamins so we all stay health so we don't rack up medical bills? why not make all alcohol, tobacco and foods that have a high fat content illegal? you know it's makes people sick, then they need medical treatment. And the list can go on and on and I'm sure there are better examples. do you see what i'm getting at?



The last time govt forced the American people to buy something against their will was the stamp act which helped set off the American revolution. it's astonishing how far we've come.

That wasn't even remotely the last time the government forced people to buy shit. I am not missing any point. I fucking hate government interference more than anyone. I am more on your side than you realize. However, you seem to think that mandatory participation into government systems is a new concept. It isn't. We are forced to pay taxes, forced to be part of the justice system, forced to go to war, forced to pay for other people's shit, forced to pay for the bombs we drop on countries, forced to pay rich and powerful contractors to rebuild the shit we dropped bombs on, forced to buy insurance on cars that are absolutely required to be a productive working member of society in most areas, forced to buy flood insurance if you live in hurricane flood zones, forced to pay money to hunt and eat an animal on your own fucking land, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

You have an extremely narrow minded view of this, and I believe it has more to do with your hatred of a nigger president than the issue at hand.

 

[FUZO]

its disgusting for any American to say our Gov can tell us what to buy or do, your right what will they tell us to do later in life .we have seen the worst of the worst Presidents that our country has ever seen and trust me in time most of us will see that and it will be proven so

 

[FUZO]

QUOTE-You have an extremely narrow minded view of this, and I believe it has more to do with your hatred of a nigger president than the issue at hand.[/QUOTE]



And thats where your a nut job thinking we hate a president because of his color thats all Liberals can come up with color of his skin or blame bush 5 years later.Oh no its never about plicy or priciple just color of his skin.

 

[KelJu]

And thats where your a nut job thinking we hate a president because of his color thats all Liberals can come up with color of his skin or blame bush 5 years later.Oh no its never about plicy or priciple just color of his skin.

Please don't try to comprehend my posts. You're obviously struggling to string words together in a coherent fashion, and you should spend more time and attention on reading and writing. If you ever get the hang of it, then perhaps I'll try to assist you with some second grade reading comp exercises. You also can't seem to figure out how the message board quote system works. Let's add that to the list. Learn to read and write, comprehension skills, and then how to use a message board. We will get you operating at a 10 year old's level in no time.


"Liberal Leaberial Obamamamama bla bla bla bla I shitted my pants again!"

 

[caedus]

That wasn't even remotely the last time the government forced people to buy shit. I am not missing any point. I fucking hate government interference more than anyone. I am more on your side than you realize. However, you seem to think that mandatory participation into government systems is a new concept. It isn't. We are forced to pay taxes, forced to be part of the justice system, forced to go to war, forced to pay for other people's shit, forced to pay for the bombs we drop on countries, forced to pay rich and powerful contractors to rebuild the shit we dropped bombs on, forced to buy insurance on cars that are absolutely required to be a productive working member of society in most areas, forced to buy flood insurance if you live in hurricane flood zones, forced to pay money to hunt and eat an animal on your own fucking land, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

You have an extremely narrow minded view of this, and I believe it has more to do with your hatred of a nigger president than the issue at hand.

That is quite possibly the best post I have ever read. I agree with you 100 percent. I believe most of these far-right radicals are very racist and motivated by their selfish and greedy / racist needs... The list does go hunting license fishing license camping permit etcetera etcetera etcetera..... So whoever has that post about being forced to buy something was obviously a complete moron.... Here's how I look at it : president obama was reelected on Obamacare it was put to a vote passed into law, so it simply is a fact. All I can say is at least everyone will have health insurance and if you have a loved one or you yourself have a pre-existing condition that will no longer be an issue, so I am actually for the affordable healthcare act Based on the humanitarian aspects of it, what country was losing more money but people that abuse the emergency room system then it will lose on this plan at least this way the deadbeats have to pay for their coverage as well.

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

Please don't try to comprehend my posts. You're obviously struggling to string words together in a coherent fashion, and you should spend more time and attention on reading and writing. If you ever get the hang of it, then perhaps I'll try to assist you with some second grade reading comp exercises. You also can't seem to figure out how the message board quote system works. Let's add that to the list. Learn to read and write, comprehension skills, and then how to use a message board. We will get you operating at a 10 year old's level in no time.


"Liberal Leaberial Obamamamama bla bla bla bla I shitted my pants again!"

FUZO U FUC ING MORON...CAN YOU READ THAT DIP SHIT....SAY SOMETHING... I DARE U... idiot

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

its disgusting for any American to say our Gov can tell us what to buy or do, your right what will they tell us to do later in life .we have seen the worst of the worst Presidents that our country has ever seen and trust me in time most of us will see that and it will be proven so

Wow.........moron

"May the force be with you all"

 

[Little Wing]

people that don't think about the consequences of not having health insurance are also not likely to think about the consequences of smoking or a high fat diet. not getting early intervention and screening they end up being a MUCH greater tax burden. people are wailing they can't make me buy insurance not even realizing you pay a shit ton of money already for people who are uninsured and get in over their heads with any number of medical situations.

 

[Swiper]

That wasn't even remotely the last time the government forced people to buy shit. I am not missing any point. I fucking hate government interference more than anyone. I am more on your side than you realize. However, you seem to think that mandatory participation into government systems is a new concept. It isn't. We are forced to pay taxes, forced to be part of the justice system, forced to go to war, forced to pay for other people's shit, forced to pay for the bombs we drop on countries, forced to pay rich and powerful contractors to rebuild the shit we dropped bombs on, forced to buy insurance on cars that are absolutely required to be a productive working member of society in most areas, forced to buy flood insurance if you live in hurricane flood zones, forced to pay money to hunt and eat an animal on your own fucking land, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

You have an extremely narrow minded view of this, and I believe it has more to do with your hatred of a nigger president than the issue at hand.

So what are you getting at? that you like govt forcing you to do and pay for shit you don't want or need?



you're dead wrong (in bold) It couldn't be further from the truth, but i expect no less from people like you to stoop down to that level. scumbag...

income taxes is theft of my personal property. all the other shit you mentioned comes from income tax money.
the justice system, declaration of war, is part of the US constitution, dumb ass

so i guess you like your govt forcing you to do things you don't want to do? great more power to you.

 

[Swiper]

That is quite possibly the best post I have ever read. I agree with you 100 percent. I believe most of these far-right radicals are very racist and motivated by their selfish and greedy / racist needs... The list does go hunting license fishing license camping permit etcetera etcetera etcetera..... So whoever has that post about being forced to buy something was obviously a complete moron.... Here's how I look at it : president obama was reelected on Obamacare it was put to a vote passed into law, so it simply is a fact. All I can say is at least everyone will have health insurance and if you have a loved one or you yourself have a pre-existing condition that will no longer be an issue, so I am actually for the affordable healthcare act Based on the humanitarian aspects of it, what country was losing more money but people that abuse the emergency room system then it will lose on this plan at least this way the deadbeats have to pay for their coverage as well.

"May the force be with you all"

that's one of the main problems with you authoritarians, you think with your heart not your brain. probably not much up there anyway so i can see why you think with your heart.

 

[Swiper]

why not ban all foods high in fat? it makes people fat which leads to health problems. they'll use up a lot of health care resources and the costs will shift to your premium. so it just makes sense to ban all foods high in fat along with alcohol & tobacco and so on, correct?
Or how about mandating everyone buy a gym membership to stay fit so they don't cause a strain on the health care system? And if they don't, we'll tax the shit out of them. sound good to you?

no one wants to reply to this?

 

[caedus]

that's one of the main problems with you authoritarians, you think with your heart not your brain. probably not much up there anyway so i can see why you think with your heart.

Swiper eBay hairy fat dick b**** . Your garbage your mom is fat and no one likes you

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

no one wants to reply to this?

F*** you Swiper you f****** f*****... You f****** moron you should your mouth before I find you and b**** slap you

"May the force be with you all"

 

[Swiper]

That wasn't even remotely the last time the government forced people to buy shit. I am not missing any point. I fucking hate government interference more than anyone. I am more on your side than you realize. However, you seem to think that mandatory participation into government systems is a new concept. It isn't. We are forced to pay taxes, forced to be part of the justice system, forced to go to war, forced to pay for other people's shit, forced to pay for the bombs we drop on countries, forced to pay rich and powerful contractors to rebuild the shit we dropped bombs on, forced to buy insurance on cars that are absolutely required to be a productive working member of society in most areas, forced to buy flood insurance if you live in hurricane flood zones, forced to pay money to hunt and eat an animal on your own fucking land, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

You have an extremely narrow minded view of this, and I believe it has more to do with your hatred of a nigger president than the issue at hand.

to understand your post, Is it that because in the past govt made people buy stuff IF they choose to do something, not simply for breathing air, it's ok because it was done in the past? Or are you just pointing out that govt made people by stuff in the past? Regardless it's still wrong IMO whether it was done in the past or not.

There is a little difference for breathing air and doing something like driving a car ect... We have the right to be left alone. I'll also point out that that is a state law not federal. not that it's a huge difference but at least if i don't like what a state is doing i can move.

I'm a simple man. i believe in personal and economic liberty. what ever is going to make us more free with less govt intervention the better. that is my belief system. It's not political, it's a philosophy.

 

[Swiper]

Swiper eBay hairy fat dick b**** . Your garbage your mom is fat and no one likes you

"May the force be with you all"

F*** you Swiper you f****** f*****... You f****** moron you should your mouth before I find you and b**** slap you

"May the force be with you all"

Thanks!

 

[caedus]

Thanks!

My pleasure.lol

"May the force be with you all"

 

[Swiper]

PolitiFact Virginia

Del. Bob Marshall says "violators of Obama health care reform face prison time. Those who fail to buy health insurance under "Obamacare" face the threat of jail time."

The TRUTH

"The individual mandate in the health reform bill imposes "taxes" that are designed to prod uninsured Americans to buy insurance. Exemptions would be provided for families of limited means. The idea is that by expanding the pool of Americans paying for coverage, insurers can use the additional revenue to improve benefits, eliminate barriers for pre-existing conditions and reduce costs for others enrolled in the plans.

Those without coverage could eventually (by 2016) pay a tax penalty greater than $695 per year up to a maximum of three times that amount ($2,085) per family or 2.5% of household income. The penalty will be phased-in. After 2016, the penalty will be increased annually by the cost-of-living adjustment.

Let?s recap.

In his release, Marshall twice said people failing to purchase health care could face imprisonment. That?s not true.

Marshall references an exchange that took place over a year ago, well before the law was approved. At that time, imprisonment was a possibility, but not in the legislation that was enacted. It is ridiculous for Marshall, no novice in public affairs, to insist otherwise.

We rate his claim Pants on Fire."
PolitiFact Virginia | Del. Bob Marshall says violators of Obama health care reform face prison time

Lam, you were right i was wrong. i trust what the judge says. not that it changes anything it's just less of a punishment. govt is still forcing us to buy a product or face taxation/fines. That is wrong.