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What Everyone needs to know about UGL's!!!

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How many UGL's can prove their Gear is Legitimate?








Despite repeated warnings regarding the reliability of blackmarket steroids, many of us continue to use them with regularity. The reason is quite simple. In many cases there simply isn't a better alternative. The reality is that many of today's most popular steroids can only be obtained through underground channels, forcing us to play an ongoing the guessing game. Smart buyers stay ahead of the curve by gravitating towards labs with good reputations, paying attention to customer feedback, and evaluating bloodwork results of themselves and others.

However, despite our best efforts, many of us end up getting screwed...and sometimes we don't even know it! Is the product properly dosed, how pure is the material, and does the product even contain the steroid listed on the label? These are just some of the questions we need to ask ourselves as we navigate the UGL market and every day, 1000's of unsuspecting customers end up on the short end of the stick. In fact, this problem has becomes so widespread that it has reached epidemic proportions. Sometimes the blame can be laid at the feet of unscrupulous company owners, who knowingly sell bunk, under-dosed, or counterfeit products. Unfortunately, the problem goes much deeper than that. In order for us to increase our chances of getting the best gear possible, we must learn where the problem originates, as this will provide us with the information necessary for overcoming the problem.

We need to start at the beginning; the raw material supplier. UGL's don't produce their own steroid hormones. They purchase various hormones from overseas manufacturers, which are later made into finished products and sold to the customer. If the raw material is bad, then entire product is bad. There is no getting around this sample fact. Low quality, fake, or bogus hormones= low quality, fake, or bogus UGL products. Of course, all of these suppliers claim their hormones are great quality...usually 99% pure, but as any honest UGL will tell you, this claim is 100% bullshit. The amount of junk raws being exported from these countries and placed in the hands of UGL's is troubling. The good news is that we are not without hope. There is one...and ONLY one way for a UGL to accurately assess product purity & potency. After acquiring the raw materials, they must spend their own money having these raw materials subjected to an expensive and high-tech testing process known as mass spectrometry testing...or mass spec, for short.

Mass spec testing is the definitive, gold-standard test for ascertaining the quality of any steroid product. When a steroid passes this test with flying colors, you can rest easy knowing that the product not only contains the correct steroid, but that it is properly dosed and of a high purity level. In other words, you are getting exactly what you pay for---a guarantee seldom offered in the UGL world. If you use blackmarket steroids, you need to understand how valuable this type of testing is. It provides an indisputable assurance that cannot be replicated by any other testing method. User experience, bloodwork, and personal trust means nothing when compared against a single mass spec test result.

This is the same type of testing used by pharmaceutical companies when attempting to determine whether or not a batch of drugs they have produced meets the highest of standards. If pharm companies don't rely on user bloodwork, personal trust, and customer feedback to determine quality, then why should you do so when deciding which steroids to buy? Could you imagine a pharmaceutical company foregoing standard lab testing in favor of sending out un-tested samples to potential customers...and then asking them to provide their opinion on its quality? Like hell they would. Again, I must ask you, if there are UGLs selling products with irrefutable mass spec test results at competitive prices, why would you decide to buy through a source which doesn't offer this type of product testing?

Now, I am not undermining the value of bloodwork. This is a cheap way for a UGL to show its customers how potent a particular product is, even if it is only a rough estimate. However, it does NOT always tell us what steroid is in the product (or its purity level). This means you might be using a product labeled as test prop, but it may actually be test cyp, yet the bloodwork results could still be good. Overall, bloodwork is a useful tool, as it provides the potential customer with first-hand experience regarding a product's effectiveness. This can be helpful in winning over customers whom are not thoroughly familiar with what mass spec testing is or what it means.

It is not uncommon to hear some UGLs talk about mass spec testing. They will say how such and suchproduct was subjected to mass spec testing and passed with flying colors, but if this were so, then why are so few UGLs publically posting these results? What possible advantage is there in keeping this evidence from their customers and telling them "Just trust us"? If they truly do possess this type of conclusive proof, why not proudly reveal it to everyone? To my knowledge, no UGL was ever harmed by posting a mass spec test result. However, I can tell you that those who do benefit enormously.

For you guys who like to use stuff like Primo, Anavar, Halotestin, etc, mass spec testing is almost mandatory. These steroids are faked so frequently that you are almost guaranteed to get ripped off without it. I estimatet that less than 10% of the steroids on the market bearing these names contain the proper steroid and are dosed within an acceptable range. The bottom line is that if your UGL does not offer this type of product testing, then you are taking a crapshoot with your money every time you place an order. I want to make it clear that I am not undermining the integrity or ethics of any UGL. Rather, I am simply stating the facts. A UGL owner could have the greatest morals inthe world, but if he/she doesn't subject his raws to testing, he/she is taking a guess just like you. Many UGLs which can't afford to use mass spec testing will attempt to determine quality by using a melting point test. Basically, a melting point test is a crude method of determining steroid type and purity by checking to see at what temperaturethe raw material begins to melt. If the steroid material begins to melt at the right temp, it likely contains the correct material...and anything that does not melt is deemed an impurity and removed. None the less, there are a few problems with this type of testing. For one, the individual doing the testing must be highly skilled in order to be able to properly conduct a melting point test on all types of AAS. Two, some compounds within the material may melt at the same point as the target steroid, deceiving the tester as to the product's purity & potency (this can be an intentional act of the supplier, in order to increase profit). Three, it is less accurate than mass spec testing in every way. Four, there is NO way for the UGL to prove to the customer that melting point tests were conducted and that the product received a passing grade.

As some of you may know, I was recently worked for another UGL, but after deciding to part ways, I knew that the next UGL I worked for would need to demonstrate the highest quality control measures before I would consider coming on board. Things such as trust, word of mouth, and user bloodwork alone weren't good enough for me. When I make a recommendation, I want to know that I am recommending the highest quality products possible. Fortunately, after some in-depth research and trusted referrals, I came upon Big D Pharma, a new sponsor on this board.

Here is what you can expect from Big D: 1) Publically posted mass spec test results for all of his AAS, which have achieved the highest purity ratings. 2) 1,000's of user bloodwork results (yes, 1,000's). 3) Great customer service. 4) Speedy delivery times. No one else provides greater assurance of product quality...no one. You can see for yourself in the link below?




 
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Its truly a gamble....if you really think about it the vast majority of black market users don't know what there taking...only that it works or doesn't...
 
I love a Mike Arnold essay! :daydream:
 
Solid perspective. Despite good intentions, labs need to put-up or shut-up when it comes to getting their product tested via mass spectrometry. I hear claims all the time, but I've never seen a list as comprehensive as BigD's.
 
I for one appreciate the testing that BigD does on his gear and can only take his word that the results are true. Fact of the matter is I have used many UGLs over the years. Some have been good and some not so good. I always get bloods done for my own piece of mind, but bloods will only tell a piece of the story. I had some bloods come back pretty low a couple years back while using another UGLs test (NOT BIG D). The lab was notified and they sent me some new gear. Well that gear is still sitting in my closet untouched. Once I find a good lab I stick with them til quality starts to suffer. I started using BigD a couple years back. Instantly I knew something was different. I was getting better test results with less gear and I was growing more then before. For a while I thought PIP was just part of the game and I would have to deal with it...not with D's gear. Basically my opinion is if the mass spec results come back good then thats just a bonus. As long as I keep getting bigger and stronger and my labs come back where they should Im a happy camper and a loyal customer.
 
its probably not realistic every ugl will get mass specs for one reason or another...the saying was if you find a good one stick with it...i'm just not sure everybody knows what good is??

nice to see bigD putting up the data...it speaks well for there business.....
 
Not trying to bash bigd but how can we confirm those mass specs are even real? We have to be realistic about this whole game. Just because someone posts something up doesnt make it fact.
 
some of my older post concerning this subject:

Good or Bad UG's, what is difference ??


Now there is no any differences with good or bad UG labs, u just only paid an extra for the fancy packaging box and label , main needs is based on the aesthetically pleasing design and that's all but the quality of the injected solution it's s same.

... since the aseptic processes to produce pharmaceuticals are failed by ALL UGL (maybe 1% of all UGL work respecting the aseptic principles while the rest do basic errors like washing vials with Ethanol or have no aseptic facilities at all), It doesn't matter if some UGL "chemists" have some knowledge of "brewing" and try to respect some quality standards or other UGL "chemist" has no idea on "brewing", differences are not important. Both will produce not sterile vials. If a UGL produces in ISO 9 and washes vials or other UGL doesn't wash the vials at all, practically doesn't make a big difference. Both are highly non sterile.

In Pharmacy there is no "decent" product or "good" product. There is only Sterile or Not Sterile => UG is an UG.
 
my suggest buy human gear,pay Little more and be happy always and not worry at all!


Unless it comes from the pharmacy how do you know it's human grade? I've seen fake replicas for sale from sponsors in the past. At least with these mass spec results it offers some assurance that the gear really is what it's labelled to be.
 
Not trying to bash bigd but how can we confirm those mass specs are even real? We have to be realistic about this whole game. Just because someone posts something up doesnt make it fact.
My thoughts as well. Some UGL's claim to have mass spec verification and do not post because it's possible to trace those back to the testing lab. All of BigD's posted results are commendable but there is no guarantee they are real. Not saying they are or aren't but they could just be cut and pasted from other results. I don't see what this really proves. We still have to take their word for it either way.

my suggest buy human gear,pay Little more and be happy always and not worry at all!
This is true except for all the human grade fakes floating around out there.
 
However, it does NOT tell us what steroid is actually in the product (or its purity level), as all steroids will show elevated levels of testosterone with bloodwork. This means you could be using a product which contains a completely different steroid than what the label claims, yet the bloodwork results could still be good. .​
Not sure that this part is true. I believe testosterone is the only compound that should show up as test. Not sure what analytically methods are used in the blood test, but other steroids will have a different molecular weight. But then again who knows. Maybe there are false positives.
 
Unless it comes from the pharmacy how do you know it's human grade? I've seen fake replicas for sale from sponsors in the past. At least with these mass spec results it offers some assurance that the gear really is what it's labelled to be.

all my prods i stock come direct from pharmacys! i use my license to buy and stock it legal in my country!
 
This is true except for all the human grade fakes floating around out there.


PROBLEMS ARE also customers who want cheap and they know they buy copy-replica...so they got what they pay! in bulgaria you can get omnadren 1$ amp, sustanon 1$ amps.organon-norma deca 1$ amp..desma-zambon winstrolm 1$ amp,primbolan depot 1$ ...etc...a lot of sources sale that since they sale it on shops 4-6$ each ;) THEY MAKE FANTASTIC PROFIT! MORE THEN ME AND OTHER WHO SALE AMPS 12-15$ REAL HUMAN!
 
all my prods i stock come direct from pharmacys! i use my license to buy and stock it legal in my country!
We only know what you tell us bro. Only way I know if its real HG gear is when I pick it up from the phamacy myself. Not sayin the gear you sell is not good but I dont trust any HG gear.
 
We only know what you tell us bro. Only way I know if its real HG gear is when I pick it up from the phamacy myself. Not sayin the gear you sell is not good but I dont trust any HG gear.

big true!
everybody can know only when you buy in pharamcy!

BUT can i tell you story you can go in Greece, Turkey,Egypt pharmacy and they will there sale you copy-fake gear!??? i am sure a lot of Europe guys can say YES true! ;) even in pharmacy if you dont know what you buy!
 
Mass Spec Printouts are not posted because it is dangerous to the provider of the spec testing.

I think the best way to stay safe is to be careful and look for the recommend from vets and mods that you personally trust. Guys that have been in this game long enough KNOW what real var (tren, anadrol, etc.) feels like. They dont need a spec test to tell you if what a source sent them is real var or not.

Nomsayin?
 
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Not sure that this part is true. I believe testosterone is the only compound that should show up as test. Not sure what analytically methods are used in the blood test, but other steroids will have a different molecular weight. But then again who knows. Maybe there are false positives.

i think he means it could be labeled as sustanon and be prop etc..
 
My favorite private source lab does mass spec testing on all of their raws. I personally trust this lab for numerous reasons, and the people who are doing the testing. So I really don't need to see the result. I have never seen one complaint about any of their products across several boards (well except for one guy who won free shit and proclaimed after one day the product was nothing but oil :jerkit:). How many UGL's do you know that can say the same? Hell, even pharma companies put out underdosed gear on occassion (Bayer Primo-e comes to mind)

I also know of a lab that posted mass spec results who got booted off of TWO boards for selective scamming. Just sayin'.
 
To be called human grade it better be well over 95% pure.
 
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