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What Everyone needs to know about UGL's!!!

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Agentyes said:
To be called human grade it better be well over 95% pure.
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Last mass spec from a member that decided to do it on his own on AMA came back at 98 % :)
 
And that was before the upgrades.
 
Yes it say all good for all too see. The best all know and it comes with fortune cookies. Fuck yesss!!! who doesn't love fortune cookies. Mine said I was a dick. It was so on the money :)
 
Agentyes said:
Mass Spec Printouts are not posted because it is dangerous to the provider of the spec testing.

I think the best way to stay safe is to be careful and look for the recommend from vets and mods that you personally trust. Guys that have been in this game long enough KNOW what real var (tren, anadrol, etc.) feels like. They dont need a spec test to tell you if what a source sent them is real var or not.

Nomsayin?
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Companies like your own have a great rep, so there is less concern, but the problem is that a lot of guys don't know what to look for...and even very experienced guys are EASILY duped concerning potency, especially when using multiple steroids at a time. Very few steroid user run only one steroid at a time, especially vets. It is nearly impossible for a steroid user, regardlss of experience, to know if a particular product is dosed accurately when using 2, 3, 4, or more steroids at a time.

Someone could be using Test, EQ, Mast, and Anadrol for their cycle...and both the EQ and Mast could be dosed at 50% or less...and most users would not have a clue. In fact, MOST people would not even know if one or more of the steroids were completely bunk!!! How is someone running those 4 steroids going to know if their EQ is dosed at 90% or 30%? In 99.99% of the cases, even if the person is highly experienced, they're not, especially when running multiple steroids that provide many of the same effects. It's not like someone could say "Ahhh, my vascularity is not coming in as well...the EQ must be under-dosed"...or "My appetite is not what it should be...the EQ is under-dosed"....or "My pumps aren't that great...the EQ must be under-dosed". Aside from the unreliability of using these effects as barometer of legitimacy, there are dozen other variables which can effect those areas when using multiple steroids at once. Most of the effects users look for when attempting to ascertain legitimacy are provided by numerous steroids, making it exceedingly difficult to pinpoint problems with specific products--in most cases.

Therefore, while most vets could tell if their Var was bunk or significantly under-dosed when running it alone, most wouldn't have a freakin' clue once they add in some Winstrol, Primo, EQ, and Testosterone. It's the same way with many steroids pther steroids. Hell, a lot of steroid users can't even tell when a steroid is properly dosed when running it all by itself. How many times have we seen someone complain about products which are completely good, simply because they though the product was supposed to provide effects other than what they experienced? Many, many times. Our ability to accurately discern dosing issues, even among adanced vets, is dramatically reduced when running multiple steroids at once, especially when using mutiple steroids at the same time which provide many of the same effects.
 
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Another thing members should do is find someone to test the products they buy. Buy a small amount if you are unfamiliar or unsure of the source. Too many sponsors pay off big names and the members buy off on their endorsement. Its not a fact thats liked around here but it is a reality. If a member they has been here forever says they test and never show proof that should make you think twice. Not saying that individuals like these are lying but you should be cautious. As I've said before the best person to trust is yourself. Not a mod not a rep not me. We all work hard to build trust but you guys would be surprised what money a greed does to folks. So when your talking about something your putting in your body and you want to be sure. Find someone to test and have that someone be a person that is trustworthy and shows you the results. But hey what do I know.
 
ThePitCrew said:
Yes it say all good for all too see. The best all know and it comes with fortune cookies. Fuck yesss!!! who doesn't love fortune cookies. Mine said I was a dick. It was so on the money :)
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:)
 
If you run DRSEGE gears you can be assured the placebo effect is doing all the work
 
I have tried many UGL's over the course of a few years and some of them at the doses I was running the calm of being a top notch provider with a beautiful site got me shitty to no gains. There are a few sources I get my stuff from, not going to say I only get Crimson because then I would be a liar, but the stuff he does have is incredible. The only problem is it flys off the shelf FAST. stand buy guys the list should be out soon...

as for human grade gear i dont think my wallet could support that.. I know my bodys reaction to what i take. When I take tren, I can actually taste it when i inject it and get a cough, night sweats. Test shows up on my BL. NPP makes my joints feel great with no water. Var gives me acid reflux bad at 100mg
 
jay_steel said:
I have tried many UGL's over the course of a few years and some of them at the doses I was running the calm of being a top notch provider with a beautiful site got me shitty to no gains. There are a few sources I get my stuff from, not going to say I only get Crimson because then I would be a liar, but the stuff he does have is incredible. The only problem is it flys off the shelf FAST. stand buy guys the list should be out soon...

as for human grade gear i dont think my wallet could support that.. I know my bodys reaction to what i take. When I take tren, I can actually taste it when i inject it and get a cough, night sweats. Test shows up on my BL. NPP makes my joints feel great with no water. Var gives me acid reflux bad at 100mg
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You said something that bears repeating, which is that basically every UGL is going to claim to have top-notch, 100% legit gear. Has anyone ever encountered a UGL which told its customers "Some of my gear is good, but sometimes its not...its frequently under-dosed to one degree or another...and purity levels are all over the place, but buy from me!" NO. No UGL ever says that, but you can bet your ass it is true for many. Not a single one will EVER admit they sell even a single product that isn't up to par in any way. Everything is always 100% legit.

As far as sales go, chances are that if you catch a UGL selling fakes, they are going to demonstrate the same ethics and integrity in other areas of their business. Selling fakes is as shitty as it gets and speaks volumes about the character of a UGL owner(s). Anyone who claims a product is HG, yet fills the amps/vials with their own UGL gear and then charges the customer 2-4X as much, is ripping their customers off in the worst way. That signifies a bottom of the fucking barrell low-life scum. In my opinion, that is just as bad as knowingly selling bunk gear, which happens all the time as well. As you can see, I am a little upset with the workings of some UGL's, especially when they make decisions that result in the customer throwing away his hard-earned money.

Fortunately, we have some very good UGL's on this board. I have heard (and in some cases experienced) great things about all the companies that posted in this thread (WP, AY, AMA)...and you can bet your ass they came into this thread because they did not want to have anyone think this OP applied to them. Of course, I have respect for all of these companies...and some of them know that. Obviously, I put up this thread so that people's gaze might be directed to Big D, but I never would have done so if he did not have strong evidence and a strong customer base to back up his claims.

Guys, we can never be 100% sure about everything a UGL does. The best we can do when trying to assess the quality of a UGLs products is look at the 3 most likely indicators of product quality, such as mass spec tests, customer feedback, and bloodwork. Like with anything in life, the more signs there are which point in the direction of product quality, the more likely the product is to be high quality. In the same way, the less signs there are which point in the direction of product quality, the less likely the product is to be high quality. This is common sense. Could Big D have posted up a bunch of out-dated or bogus mass spec test results? Sure. Could have have forged 1000's (yes, 1000's) of bogus bloodwork results? I suppose so. Could have have made up a bunch of gimmick accounts and spent months posting fake postive product reviews. Yep, that is possible too. Could he have paid off all the board members here and elsewhere to say how great his stuff is? Yep, that is possible too. But...is this likely? If so, Big D is the biggest con man in the UGL business. Or...is it more likely that all these things are lining up simply because they're true? Even an irrational person would agree that the odds are greatly in favor of this being legitimate evidence.
 
Mike Arnold said:
The best we can do when trying to assess the quality of a UGLs products is look at the 3 most likely indicators of product quality, such as mass spec tests, customer feedback, and bloodwork.
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Where is the customer feedback for Big D?
 
VictorZ06 said:
If you think eroids holds any water, some do and some don't..... Big D Pharma reviews. Is Big D Pharma scam, fake or legit Lab? .

BOP: I was a mod there, board kept getting hacked....it's crap and unsafe to visit.
IJ: I was the admin there, closed it once I found the person I was working with was a pervert.

BigD has nothing to do with those boards anymore.


/V
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cool,
that was directed more at the suggestion that I don't know how to google than anything else.
I can google so hard.
 
What it comes down to is trusting and knowing your source at the end of the day... Bad gear will get bad reviews, and it's something that you can't just hide... period!
 
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Agentyes said:
cool,
that was directed more at the suggestion that I don't know how to google than anything else.
I can google so hard.
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I don't know what your problem is today, but I never said you can't google. Reread the thread and lighten up already.
 
Presser said:
Umm, gee, maybe someone might want to read comments on another board with some type of lengthy history behind them.
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Hell man just ask Big Vic, he's been around since the beginning of time and he will vouch for BigD. I believe BigD is good to go.
 
VictorZ06 said:
BOP: I was a mod there, board kept getting hacked....it's crap and unsafe to visit.
IJ: I was the admin there, closed it once I found the person I was working with was a pervert.

BigD has nothing to do with those boards anymore.


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Because, the word on the street is they, meaning BigD were booted off both for selective scamming...... Sounds like some really high quality forums. The kiddie porn guy? Don't get me started. Makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
 
Vision said:
What it comes down to is trusting and knowing your source at the end of the day... Bad gear will get bad reviews, and it's something that you can't just hide... period!
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Word! Just look at reputation..... Vision is right. In the long run that's what counts. It's tough for the new guys for sure. Cry me a river. Provide a quality product, great customer service, and if a customer has issue with your product, assume THEY are right rather then putting the burden of proof on them..... Easier said then done, but good labs do exactly that.
 
JerseyDevil said:
Because, the word on the street is they, meaning BigD were booted off both for selective scamming...... Sounds like some really high quality forums. The kiddie porn guy? Don't get me started. Makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
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It wasn't Big D, it was his reps. Some things you just can't control. You'd have to be retarded to give your money to a rep anyways. He fixed whatever issues there were even though it wasn't his fault.
 
OfficerFarva said:
I don't know what your problem is today, but I never said you can't google. Reread the thread and lighten up already.
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Sorry bro. I didn't mean to be bitchy to you.

This shit makes me fucking nervous.
I don't like to see "domestic" posted let alone in banners. There is a reason that word is not supposed to be used on the forums. I also don't like to see spec tests posted. The Feds HATE Printed spec reports. Hate. THAT is why they're not posted publicly on the open web. I'm sorry, I think its reckless and is guaranteed to draw unwanted attention and it makes me nervous as hell.

I'm going to bow out of this convo now.
 
JerseyDevil said:
Word! Just look at reputation..... Vision is right. In the long run that's what counts. It's tough for the new guys for sure. Cry me a river. Provide a quality product, great customer service, and if a customer has issue with your product, assume THEY are right rather then putting the burden of proof on them..... Easier said then done, but good labs do exactly that.
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exactly.. and thank you for making this more clear.. What this market comes down to is the fact of knowing and trusting the lab of your choice..The market speaks volumes when it projects labs and there reviews...If the market was cleansed of all UGL's, could everyone afford the price that's provided by HG venders? The market has more fakes of HG over UGL's, and there would be just be an other obstacles to over come. (( are my amps real)).. How many post have we seen of these over the past decade? Not all UGLs get their raws from the same out sources.. Thus, this defines that not all UGL's are deemed equal..
Is HG the way? Of course, it sets the bench mark and for the standards in which some UGL's thrive to meet.. That's why some UGL's have implemented quality control over their products.. Not all UGL are manufactured under similar conditions to the next....
 
heavyiron said:
Currently I use 2 sources for my testosterone. A USA pharmacy with my script and AgentYes. They are both 100% legit for sure.

Never used Big D but I have heard really good things.
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Great minds think alike...:)
 
JerseyDevil said:
Word! Just look at reputation..... Vision is right. In the long run that's what counts. It's tough for the new guys for sure. Cry me a river. Provide a quality product, great customer service, and if a customer has issue with your product, assume THEY are right rather then putting the burden of proof on them..... Easier said then done, but good labs do exactly that.
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See bold above: How very true. Even if the UGL thinks the customer is wrong, it does NOT matter. What scenario is better--re-sending an order and losing a few dollars? Or, tell the customer they are wrong, save a few bucks in the short-term, have the customer start pubically bashing the shit out of you, and lose more potential business in the long-run? Controlling customer complaints before they turn into raging fires is part of any business...at least any decent business that doesn't have its head up its ass. The last thing any UGL should want are negative, out of control public threads, which result in people questioning the company's integrity.

Of course, I am not suggesting that a UGL should just re-send every order regardless of the nature of the complaint, but by and large, if the customer appears to have a legitimate complaint, especially if they are previous customers, they should be accomodated. It amazes me that some people don't seem to understand this and allow preventable customer service issues to spiral out of control.
 
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