A Perfect Romney Flashback That Will Make You Wish We Could Repeat 2012

[bio-chem]

Are you suggesting Anarchy? I'm down with that, only problem is we still need checks and balances even in that situation. Right now our current system of checks and balances is easily swayed by checks and balances, aka legalized bribes via corrupt underhanded lobbyists. I have been to State House and Senate hearings and have seen untainted lobbying via testimony, it works. You just have to get enough voters out of work and on that floor to do it, right now the common person can't afford to take a lunch break let alone part of a day or whole day to run down to the Capitol bldg to voice their opinion and if you call, write a letter or email your rep all you get back is a patent response probably written by an aid. I sent in a written testimony once and just so happened to be present for another bill when they read the testimonials of which I had sent in and gotten one of the patent responses affirming that my rep was on board for the passage of the bill, my testimony wasn't read and my rep voted against in the end and dosed off a couple times while others gave their input like his mind was made up and all the talk was boring him. When they asked if anyone else had anything I raised my hand and said I'd written into my rep but my testimony wasn't included they told me it could have been lost or misfiled, so a gave a verbal and it got several other reps to perk up and pay attention. It wasn't the biggest issue, just that many health drink bottles didn't have a HI 5? redeemable sticker and recycle stations were rejecting them. I argued the point of why is it that being healthy should mean one has to sacrifice being good to the environment as well, only those who drink sugar laden unhealthy beverages or alcohol are allowed to recycle their empty containers? I was miffed at my rep as he just stared at his laptop the whole time, I wanted to say Wtf mother fucker, I voted for you and you can't even look at me while I speak? But conducting myself in a civil manner seemed to be the best call at the time.

I said the best government "Governs least" not governs at all. I'm not for anarchy, but i'd prefer if the government focused on providing a military, roads, clean water, and other infrastructure, police, and fire department, and left us the hell alone after that to make our own way.

I would have supported you if you asked your rep WTF mother fucker? seems like a fair question to me. all the common people i've worked with by the way have time to take a normal lunch break and can take a few hours off on occasion to get politically active if they wanted to.

 

[bio-chem]

Why couldn't someone make a career out of McDonalds? Not everyone is highly intelligent and gifted with the creativity needed to move up the ladder. Subsidizing corporate welfare is the answer? By keeping wages low it puts the burden on you and me to keep others in the low wage positions fed and a roof over their head rather than on the company they work for. Being a business owner doesn't entitle someone to increasingly higher profit much less making a profit at all. Going into business is a crap shoot, at best.

I like my 99 cent spicy chicken sandwich and don't believe someone who gets paid to warm pre-cooked chicken, add mayo and already shredded lettuce to an already baked bun deserves $15/hour to do it. That's just me though.

Here is the reality of life, and it's a tough reality. Something people need to accept. Not everyone can, or will be successful. I'm not responsible and neither is McDonalds for keeping a roof over their employees head. A McDonalds employee doesn't deserve anything more than the wage they accepted when they took the job. If they don't like it they can do what the rest of us do. I fully believe in helping our fellow man, and I spend both my time and resources to charitable donations I believe in to help others around me. I believe the government should get out of welfare for the most part. I think charities would do a much better job of helping people help themselves and move up instead of the system we have now that unfortunately traps people in the welfare system.

 

[Bowden]

I like my 99 cent spicy chicken sandwich and don't believe someone who gets paid to warm pre-cooked chicken, add mayo and already shredded lettuce to an already baked bun deserves $15/hour to do it. That's just me though.

Here is the reality of life, and it's a tough reality. Something people need to accept. Not everyone can, or will be successful. I'm not responsible and neither is McDonalds for keeping a roof over their employees head. A McDonalds employee doesn't deserve anything more than the wage they accepted when they took the job. If they don't like it they can do what the rest of us do. I fully believe in helping our fellow man, and I spend both my time and resources to charitable donations I believe in to help others around me. I believe the government should get out of welfare for the most part. I think charities would do a much better job of helping people help themselves and move up instead of the system we have now that unfortunately traps people in the welfare system.

In some industries people that work the hardest get compensated the least.
People that work in a McDonalds work their asses off for a bit above minimum wage and get limited to no benefits.

Have you ever worked at McDonalds?
You don't think employees at McDonalds work their asses off for that small amount of compensation?

Try working in a fast food place part time and see how hard you have to work for that small amount of money.
Then see if you could live off of that level of compensation without going on welfare and having the taxpayers support you due to low levels of compensation.

That 15 bucks you mentioned is still being paid out to those employees.
Employers in order to keep profit margins high are paying their employees minimum wages and some of it is being paid to them in taxpayer supplied welfare.

As to charities, there are news reports of foodbanks running out of food due to the high numbers of people using them.
Charities cannot handle the load of all the people that need assistance.

 

[Swiper]

In some industries people that work the hardest get compensated the least.
People that work in a McDonalds work their asses off for a bit above minimum wage and get limited to no benefits.

Have you ever worked at McDonalds?
You don't think employees at McDonalds work their asses off for that small amount of compensation?

Try working in a fast food place part time and see how hard you have to work for that small amount of money.
Then see if you could live off of that level of compensation without going on welfare and having the taxpayers support you due to low levels of compensation.

That 15 bucks you mentioned is still being paid out to those employees.
Employers in order to keep profit margins high are paying their employees minimum wages and some of it is being paid to them in taxpayer supplied welfare.

As to charities, there are news reports of foodbanks running out of food due to the high numbers of people using them.
Charities cannot handle the load of all the people that need assistance.

it has absolutely nothing to do with how hard the work is. it's about how much they can produce.

I have worked in fast food part time when I was in high school. I didn't want to do that for a living, so I chose not to.

maybe if the people weren't taxed as much they'd be giving more to charity and not to a wasteful corrupt govt.

 

[Zaphod]

I like my 99 cent spicy chicken sandwich and don't believe someone who gets paid to warm pre-cooked chicken, add mayo and already shredded lettuce to an already baked bun deserves $15/hour to do it. That's just me though.

Here is the reality of life, and it's a tough reality. Something people need to accept. Not everyone can, or will be successful. I'm not responsible and neither is McDonalds for keeping a roof over their employees head. A McDonalds employee doesn't deserve anything more than the wage they accepted when they took the job. If they don't like it they can do what the rest of us do. I fully believe in helping our fellow man, and I spend both my time and resources to charitable donations I believe in to help others around me. I believe the government should get out of welfare for the most part. I think charities would do a much better job of helping people help themselves and move up instead of the system we have now that unfortunately traps people in the welfare system.

Guess what? You are responsible for feeding and housing fast food and Walmart employees with your taxes so the companies can make even bigger profits by not paying their employees more. If McDonalds paid more their workers wouldn't need government assistance and you wouldn't be supporting them through your taxes even if you never go to McDonalds. Same for Walmart.

 

[Zaphod]

Exactly. It doesn't entitle you to more profit and IT IS a crap shoot.

This is exactly why government shouldn't be limiting business owner's profit because the RISK of starting and running a business is so high. The time, money, and stress involved in doing this far exceeds what the average worker has to deal with. And unless YOU'VE done it, you can't dismiss it.

Without your workers the work isn't getting done. Can you handle doing everything they do if you didn't have them?

 

[bio-chem]

In some industries people that work the hardest get compensated the least.
People that work in a McDonalds work their asses off for a bit above minimum wage and get limited to no benefits.

Have you ever worked at McDonalds?
You don't think employees at McDonalds work their asses off for that small amount of compensation?

Try working in a fast food place part time and see how hard you have to work for that small amount of money.
Then see if you could live off of that level of compensation without going on welfare and having the taxpayers support you due to low levels of compensation.

That 15 bucks you mentioned is still being paid out to those employees.
Employers in order to keep profit margins high are paying their employees minimum wages and some of it is being paid to them in taxpayer supplied welfare.

As to charities, there are news reports of foodbanks running out of food due to the high numbers of people using them.
Charities cannot handle the load of all the people that need assistance.

I've not worked McDonalds, but I've worked fast food (pizza hut) while in high school. My original post stands. I like my 99 cent sandwiches, and don't believe a McDonalds employee deserves $15/hour for the work they do. I don't believe the government, or myself owes a McDonalds worker, or anyone else anything. Give people back their taxes, redesign welfare programs so they don't trap people on welfare, and let the American people through their own initiative decide how to handle those needy and less fortunate.

 

[bio-chem]

Guess what? You are responsible for feeding and housing fast food and Walmart employees with your taxes so the companies can make even bigger profits by not paying their employees more. If McDonalds paid more their workers wouldn't need government assistance and you wouldn't be supporting them through your taxes even if you never go to McDonalds. Same for Walmart.

No, my idiot compatriots elected fools who chose to make laws using my taxes for that purpose. I'm not responsible for, and neither is my government. The government has gotten in the business of welfare, it isn't a responsibility. welfare is broken right now. We live in a system that promotes laziness. Yes, their are people out their who genuinely need help, there are also those who are working the system to do the least amount possible so that they can continue to subsidize their laziness.

 

[bio-chem]

Without your workers the work isn't getting done. Can you handle doing everything they do if you didn't have them?

If they don't like the pay they can go somewhere else and work.

 

[maniclion]

No, my idiot compatriots elected fools who chose to make laws using my taxes for that purpose. I'm not responsible for, and neither is my government. The government has gotten in the business of welfare, it isn't a responsibility. welfare is broken right now. We live in a system that promotes laziness. Yes, their are people out their who genuinely need help, there are also those who are working the system to do the least amount possible so that they can continue to subsidize their laziness.

JP Morgan Chase are in the business of Welfare, of which they get .85 cents from each transaction they handle. Sounds like they had a plan, trip up uncle sam with Subprime mortgages and then hold him by the ankles and shake the loose change from his pockets, of course leave that fat over stuffed wallet alone, don't want to raise the ire of the Military Gov Contractors, just get a little taste from all the "lazy bums" who can't afford to buy food since their cushy little job was downsized to weather the economic downturn...

 

[Big Puppy]

Without your workers the work isn't getting done. Can you handle doing everything they do if you didn't have them?

I never even mentioned that, nor do I argue it. But I have more invested, and can't just quit and find another job. Like I said, until you do it, you can't understand. Looks pretty easy to do a double backflip on a motorcycle, but I doubt Travis pastrami would agree.

 

[bio-chem]

JP Morgan Chase are in the business of Welfare, of which they get .85 cents from each transaction they handle. Sounds like they had a plan, trip up uncle sam with Subprime mortgages and then hold him by the ankles and shake the loose change from his pockets, of course leave that fat over stuffed wallet alone, don't want to raise the ire of the Military Gov Contractors, just get a little taste from all the "lazy bums" who can't afford to buy food since their cushy little job was downsized to weather the economic downturn...

McDonald's employees? nice straw man here bro. we are talking about wages for the unskilled laborer here not skilled labor. That''s another topic and a whole other set of circumstances

 

[fizs#1]

I'd still vote the same way and I didn't vote for either one. Both are bad for the country. I'm not willing to sacrifice my principles simply to vote for a political party name. It would be stupid to do that since both parties really are the same, and neither one has the interests of you or this country in mind.

Rand to revitalize the republic.

 

[maniclion]

McDonald's employees? nice straw man here bro. we are talking about wages for the unskilled laborer here not skilled labor. That''s another topic and a whole other set of circumstances

Ever heard of the trickle down theory, sewage flows down hill into the ocean of the masses, theres a drain pipe up there poking through that glass ceiling and those assholes just keep flushing it to us, maybe you tried to stick your head up their to see how it would be, got a brown nose to prove it, probably!?!
We need to clog that fucker, have the shit back up and stain that mirrored floor, thats right all they see is themselves when they peer down, imagine Jason Bateman flexing as he rear ends a whore. They'll convene a committee to decide whose soles[souls?] will get shitty, send'em in with a roll of paper towels, and when the half assed clean up is pau they'll point and say "Aha caught you brown handed. Next they'll sacrifice them like lambs, and threaten and bribe for their silence, reminding them that they have been branded...or even with violence, Owned, marked like a beast, and then they'll need to renew, and seek out a few more with brown beaks...

 

[bio-chem]

Manic, did you take your meds today?

 

[solidassears]

Ever heard of the trickle down theory, sewage flows down hill into the ocean of the masses, theres a drain pipe up there poking through that glass ceiling and those assholes just keep flushing it to us, maybe you tried to stick your head up their to see how it would be, got a brown nose to prove it, probably!?!
We need to clog that fucker, have the shit back up and stain that mirrored floor, thats right all they see is themselves when they peer down, imagine Jason Bateman flexing as he rear ends a whore. They'll convene a committee to decide whose soles[souls?] will get shitty, send'em in with a roll of paper towels, and when the half assed clean up is pau they'll point and say "Aha caught you brown handed. Next they'll sacrifice them like lambs, and threaten and bribe for their silence, reminding them that they have been branded...or even with violence, Owned, marked like a beast, and then they'll need to renew, and seek out a few more with brown beaks...

Typical leftist, socialist, communist, democrat talking points with no substance, no reality, no facts and no knowledge of history. Leftist, socialist, communist, democrat agenda fails every time it's tried; no exceptions. Fail, fail, fail, fail, but stupid people who believe the talking points continue to blame those who work and produce for their own lack of success, which actually comes from sting on your ass and blaming everyone else for your problems.

Get government out of my life, get government out of every stupid idiotic democrat agenda and the economy and society will improve immediately. I lived through Jimmy Carter and I saw first hand what this country could be when you get ride of the idiotic democrat agenda. Now we have much worse than Jimmy Carter running things and it shows. Blame Bush all you want, but this mess is all on the Democrats and Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[Zaphod]

I never even mentioned that, nor do I argue it. But I have more invested, and can't just quit and find another job. Like I said, until you do it, you can't understand. Looks pretty easy to do a double backflip on a motorcycle, but I doubt Travis pastrami would agree.

You can just quit and find another job, just like your employees. You're no more special than they are.

 

[Zaphod]

If they don't like the pay they can go somewhere else and work.

When you can't find someone else to do the work for shit pay are you going to do it all? Stock the incoming merchandise, work the register, sweep and mop, clean the shit spackled toilets every day, lock the doors, and balance the books in about five minutes before you need to unload the first incoming truck?

 

[Zaphod]

No, my idiot compatriots elected fools who chose to make laws using my taxes for that purpose. I'm not responsible for, and neither is my government. The government has gotten in the business of welfare, it isn't a responsibility. welfare is broken right now. We live in a system that promotes laziness. Yes, their are people out their who genuinely need help, there are also those who are working the system to do the least amount possible so that they can continue to subsidize their laziness.

No matter who won, republican or democrat, at one time or another you voted for a welfare system. Corporate or social. Hate to break it to you like that.

 

[Bowden]

No, my idiot compatriots elected fools who chose to make laws using my taxes for that purpose. I'm not responsible for, and neither is my government. The government has gotten in the business of welfare, it isn't a responsibility. welfare is broken right now. We live in a system that promotes laziness. Yes, their are people out their who genuinely need help, there are also those who are working the system to do the least amount possible so that they can continue to subsidize their laziness.

The government is in the welfare business alright.
All of it part of the corporate/government welfare state.

In the form of 100 Billions dollars+ of corporate welfare business.
That of course does not count all of the billions of dollars paid by corporations to lobby politicians.
As well all of the tax code rigging that is designed to provide government corporate welfare benefits to corporations.


http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/corporate-welfare-federal-budget


http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA703.pdf

Introduction
The federal government will spend almost $100 billion on corporate welfare in fiscal 2012. That includes direct and indirect sub-sidies to small businesses, large corporations,
and industry organizations. These subsidies are handed out from programs in many departments, including the departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Energy, and Housing and Urban Development.

 

[Bowden]

To some people in the rich and investor classes taxpayer supplied corporate welfare is good.
It boosts the profit margins and EPS of corporations that receive corporate welfare from the govenrment.

That translates in part to higher stock share prices.
Which of course benefits the rich and investor classes that own stock in those corporations.

 

[Bowden]

Everyone arguing in this thread against welfare needs to research as to if they personally benefit in any way from government corporate welfare.
I will bet you that everyone benefits from it in some way.

 

[solidassears]

Everyone arguing in this thread against welfare needs to research as to if they personally benefit in any way from government corporate welfare.
I will bet you that everyone benefits from it in some way.

Even if what you say is true; it doesn't mean welfare is a good thing. It's an evil thing when run by the government, it destroys peoples pride, culture and initiative to improve. If you want to take a really good look at what having the government taking care of you will do, just go live on an indian reservation. I have done that, have you? I lived with the indians in North and South Dakota for two years and it is the most horrible existence you can imagine and it is all due to the government taking care of the indians.

When welfare is run by the private sector who has to be accountable for what it does, the effect is a real welfare system that actually helps people instead of encouraging them to sit on their ass and get more "benefits". Government is evil, the less you have to have the better, the more government the more evil.

 

[Swiper]

Everyone arguing in this thread against welfare needs to research as to if they personally benefit in any way from government corporate welfare.
I will bet you that everyone benefits from it in some way.

like Walmart. Walmart benefits because people use their welfare money to purchase goods there. so yeah I agree we should abolish all welfare to keep evil profit making companies like Walmart from benefiting.

 

[Zaphod]

Even if what you say is true; it doesn't mean welfare is a good thing. It's an evil thing when run by the government, it destroys peoples pride, culture and initiative to improve. If you want to take a really good look at what having the government taking care of you will do, just go live on an indian reservation. I have done that, have you? I lived with the indians in North and South Dakota for two years and it is the most horrible existence you can imagine and it is all due to the government taking care of the indians.

When welfare is run by the private sector who has to be accountable for what it does, the effect is a real welfare system that actually helps people instead of encouraging them to sit on their ass and get more "benefits". Government is evil, the less you have to have the better, the more government the more evil.

It's the private sector that has rigged the welfare system to the form it is in today. Business is accountable to nobody. Not even to share holders.

 

[Zaphod]

like Walmart. Walmart benefits because people use their welfare money to purchase goods there. so yeah I agree we should abolish all welfare to keep evil profit making companies like Walmart from benefiting.

Walmart benefits from keeping their employees on welfare, so you and I make up for what Walmart won't pay.

 

[Swiper]

Walmart benefits from keeping their employees on welfare, so you and I make up for what Walmart won't pay.

I'm glad we both agree to abolish all types of welfare. problem solved....

 

[solidassears]

It's the private sector that has rigged the welfare system to the form it is in today. Business is accountable to nobody. Not even to share holders.

Sure it isn't; just like how the government is accountable for Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS Targeting of Democrat foes, Welfare fraud in the trillions, Green Jobs scam, where the Presidents friends get Billions of Government guarantees loans, then they default; Government Bailouts where the Unions get preferential treatment and the bondholder get screwed, the government engineered housing bubble and crash. On the other hand is some fool burns themselves because they're too stupid to feel the coffee they get at McDonalds they sue and get millions... Yea, Business isn't accountable... You're a moron if you really believe the garbage you're spewing.

 

[Zaphod]

Sure it isn't; just like how the government is accountable for Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS Targeting of Democrat foes, Welfare fraud in the trillions, Green Jobs scam, where the Presidents friends get Billions of Government guarantees loans, then they default; Government Bailouts where the Unions get preferential treatment and the bondholder get screwed, the government engineered housing bubble and crash. On the other hand is some fool burns themselves because they're too stupid to feel the coffee they get at McDonalds they sue and get millions... Yea, Business isn't accountable... You're a moron if you really believe the garbage you're spewing.

Financial crash and nobody went to jail? Businesses bailed out? That ring a bell?

 

[Dale Mabry]

Even if what you say is true; it doesn't mean welfare is a good thing. It's an evil thing when run by the government, it destroys peoples pride, culture and initiative to improve. If you want to take a really good look at what having the government taking care of you will do, just go live on an indian reservation. I have done that, have you? I lived with the indians in North and South Dakota for two years and it is the most horrible existence you can imagine and it is all due to the government taking care of the indians.

When welfare is run by the private sector who has to be accountable for what it does, the effect is a real welfare system that actually helps people instead of encouraging them to sit on their ass and get more "benefits". Government is evil, the less you have to have the better, the more government the more evil.

You CANNOT be serious. I'm pretty sure the reason an Indian reservation is miserable is because a bunch of foreign white men came and took all of their land, not that the white man's government decided to throw them a few scraps.