Low dose oral for long cycles

[ldog]

Guys,

If one was on top of quarterly bloodwork,diet and organ protective sups, what would be the prime oral for a long cycle while on TRT? Simply looking for experienced feedback from vets.

Anavar 30-40 mg per day

or

Dianabol 10-20 mg per day

 

[johnsonl3872]

They do different things. What are you trying to accomplish?

 

[ldog]

Basically, I'm trying to add lean mass alongside my TRT with oral supplementation. I've used orals in the past with absolutely no negative effect on liver and renal functions. I'm either going to continue low dose DBol daily or try some Anavar for awhile. I just wanted to know if anyone else has experience doing this. My use of organ sups to counter toxicity has been highly successful. One thing to note is that I keep my T levels between 1000-1500 thru pellets which bypass my liver.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Not sure why you would use dbol to add lean mass.


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[ldog]

Well....let me rephrase...lean mass,strength and overall well being.

 

[Glycomann]

Basically, I'm trying to add lean mass alongside my TRT with oral supplementation. I've used orals in the past with absolutely no negative effect on liver and renal functions. I'm either going to continue low dose DBol daily or try some Anavar for awhile. I just wanted to know if anyone else has experience doing this. My use of organ sups to counter toxicity has been highly successful. One thing to note is that I keep my T levels between 1000-1500 thru pellets which bypass my liver.

8 week spurts along side of TRT. I like Anavar. Years ago i use to like Winstrol a lot.Very nice cosmetic effect for summer. Dianabol for adding a little size. T-bol for an Anavar substitute.

 

[ldog]

Thanks brothers

 

[Lost Grizzly]

I do TRT and have done Var 3 times in the past year at 50mg per day for 50 days at a time. I have gotten good results and have no liver issues. Var is on the low end for toxicity levels compared to the rest however it is hard to find the real thing.

 

[ldog]

Lost Griz,

Thanks for the feedback.

Do you use any liver support supps while using Var?

When you say "Good Results"...what do you interpret this to mean?

I do TRT and have done Var 3 times in the past year at 50mg per day for 50 days at a time. I have gotten good results and have no liver issues. Var is on the low end for toxicity levels compared to the rest however it is hard to find the real thing.

 

[Lost Grizzly]

No liver support at all. I even drink twice a week 2-3 drinks each time which shouldn't help. The Var lean\dries me up reducing body fat and I get some good strength gains while on it. The fat loss is permanent using Var, but the strength gains fade a bit when you stop taking it. Some people have been know to take just 50mg of var daily year round and look amazing.

 

[Swaglantern]

Believe it or not Anavar (oxandrolone) has actually been prescribed for people to help reverse or at least treat liver damage. Below is at least one link from a quick search. Anavar is also used for wasting disease, among other things. It probably isn't any more toxic to the liver than tylenol I would guess.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198412063112302

 

[dave 236]

Tylenol is one of the most heptotixic substances that exists. That study is not even close in any way to being significant in treatment of liver issues. I'm all for using anabolics but to claim any methyl substance would be used to treat liver issues is a ridiculous notion. The study says that it wasn't any more likely to cause death in people with moderate to severe alcoholic hepatitis than was prednisone. Hardly the same thing as being prescribed to treat liver issues.


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[Spectra]

^this, tylenol is pretty bad

 

[johnsonl3872]

I take 100mg Var for 12 week runs and get great results

 

[ldog]

Thanks Johnsonl....grateful for feedback.

 

[VictorZ06]

Var and Proviron.



/V

 

[Swaglantern]

Tylenol is one of the most heptotixic substances that exists. That study is not even close in any way to being significant in treatment of liver issues. I'm all for using anabolics but to claim any methyl substance would be used to treat liver issues is a ridiculous notion. The study says that it wasn't any more likely to cause death in people with moderate to severe alcoholic hepatitis than was prednisone. Hardly the same thing as being prescribed to treat liver issues.


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This will probably make me sound like a dick - but you're having trouble with comprehension. Don't call me out if you are not going to even read the first paragraph of the report - AND I QUOTE!

Abstract A cooperative study was conducted to determine the efficacy of 30 days of TREATMENT with either a glucocorticosteroid (prednisolone) or an anabolic steroid (oxandrolone) in moderate or severe alcoholic hepatitis. One hundred thirty-two patients with moderate disease and 131 with severe disease were randomly assigned to one of three TREATMENTS: prednisolone, oxandrolone, or placebo.

Thirteen per cent of the moderately ill patients and 29 per cent of the severely ill patients died. Although neither steroid improved short-term survival, OXANDROLONE THERAPY WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A BENEFICIAL EFFECT ON LONG TERM SURVIVAL.

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[johnsonl3872]

This will probably make me sound like a dick - but you're having trouble with comprehension. Don't call me out if you are not going to even read the first paragraph of the report - AND I QUOTE!

Abstract A cooperative study was conducted to determine the efficacy of 30 days of TREATMENT with either a glucocorticosteroid (prednisolone) or an anabolic steroid (oxandrolone) in moderate or severe alcoholic hepatitis. One hundred thirty-two patients with moderate disease and 131 with severe disease were randomly assigned to one of three TREATMENTS: prednisolone, oxandrolone, or placebo.

Thirteen per cent of the moderately ill patients and 29 per cent of the severely ill patients died. Although neither steroid improved short-term survival, OXANDROLONE THERAPY WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A BENEFICIAL EFFECT ON LONG TERM SURVIVAL.

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So um yeah...new people here probably need to be aware that a lot of those giving advice are on steroids.......


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[DaBeast25]

I'd be less concerned about liver damage and more concerned about the impact on cholesterol, personally.

 

[ldog]

Good point DaBeast. I'm on top of my lipids with various supplements.