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The whole point was not that cardio doesn't affect hunger (notice I never agreed or disagreed with that). I mean excessive masturbation probably affects hunger in some way but you don't tell hungry people, "oh your problem is that you masturbate too much". The issue is whether or not the diet...

The hardest part sometimes is just starting so good job getting started! Now you just got to keep it going and make sure you don't lose any muscle. There are good reasons to do cardio on some cuts but you do have to watch that muscle closely. Good luck and keep us updated :D

Thanks! I knew there had to be someone else here :D I looked at a lot of different forums before this one and was disappointed with all them. I happened to see BFFM was in the book list here and decided to join basically just based on that. I was at that BFFM inner circle forum before this but I...

No, no. When I said "Yeah, okay", I meant it literally not sarcastically. Yes, cardio can increase cortisol and other things. I never said it didn't and I don't think anyone was confused about that. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. :confused:

First off, nobody is saying that this should be looked at on a week to week basis. I have been accused of this endlessly despite me pointing out time and time again that I do not do this or advocate it and never did do this. So why? Why continue with that. Everyone here knows that that would be...

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Yeah, I wouldn't either. After maybe about 4 weeks it starts meaning something to me. And this is part of it too: learning how much variance you have in your measurements so that you can interpret the data correctly. If someone was really, really good at doing body fat measurements or maybe they...

You said: "If I ate this way while trying to cut, I'd be chewing my arm off." Just before I had said that if cardio affected appetite at all, you should be able to handle any hunger problems with the diet therefore it is just not a good excuse for dropping cardio. So maybe you meant something...

He then mentions that cardio can increase cortisol levels. Yeah, okay. I guess I'm not really sure what your trying to prove with the second part. Funny, everyone was just saying that you can't fix the problem of hunger with diet and now there's been a 180. I kind of wonder if people...

I can agree with that but I'm saying it even goes beyond that. If you lower your calories too much, then your metabolism will not only adjust to your new composition but will go down beyond that to an unnaturally low level. So my issue is that he says cardio lowers your metabolism and he has...

The guy states that cardio will slow down your metabolism on a severly low cal diet. It is well known and documented that a severly low cal diet will slow down your metabolism. Do you see how this is a problem? If someone is put on a non-crash diet and their metabolism lowers when doing cardio...

It is a lot easier to see these things with charts but I have not used google docs until just a few minutes ago so I'll have to mess with that later. A couple things to start off here. You can see a definite trend that indicates the diet is doing what it is supposed to. An example of when the...

Yes. I just uploaded here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tUHJf15wmRK8hdQ9-K7gP6A Have at it :D

Right, that's rule number 6 - do not over-interpret the data. So week to week is basically irrelevant but after 4, 6, 8 weeks, you should be seeing a trend.

This thread has degenerated a bit so I am going to attempt to get it back on track. The whole discussion about these measurements started because I said I lose about a pound of fat extra per month when I do cardio and showed how the math for that worked out. Now does anyone actually think that...

Yes, I think everybody gets it: you carb cycle. As I have said at least two times before this, the measurements will not be of any value if you are drastically changing your glycogen/water all the time. But here's something you may not have thought of.... Not everyone is doing the exact same...

This question came up in another thread and I thought it would be interesting to explore. If any of you follow Tom Venuto (see book list on this forum) then you have heard the case for weekly body fat measurements. Others may do this too but it is basically a mandatory thing on a BFFM diet and...

If you could have had useful data on bodyfat % weekly while you were doing all this, would you do it? If the data was useful, I believe you would. Why? Because you would have had a better chance of success if you had that additional data. Just because you got along without it does not mean that...

I didn't like them or dislike them. I didn't even claim they were false as that was not necessary. You apparently missed my post. If there's something further you actually want to address, you could always speak up and say what it is. Wouldn't that have been more productive than this post?

Wow, I can't believe I'm hearing this. This is the trademark of all crappy diets. It's a red flag. Throw science to the wind and just BELIEVE. Put your blind faith in something and just hope that it's working. If it's some kind of extreme diet where your water weight is shifting drastically from...