1,4 Andro/ 4Derm/ M5AA cycle

[19-chief]

i'm proposing this cycle as a fallback until i obtain the test e/ eq/ m5aa materials needed. this would be the next cycle for me provided rrgg comes thru with the 1.4 andro. i will have 3 bottles of 60 caps, 300mg each of the 1,4. i have 12g 4ad powder, and 2 bottles of 100 caps, 10mg each of the m5aa. i was thinking of something like this:

week 1 - 8.5: 900mg/ED 1,4 Andro caps (spread out in 3 doses)
week 1 - 8.5: 200-400mg/ED trans-d 4ad (split in 2 doses)
week 4 - 8.5: 60mg/ED M5AA tabs (spread out 3 doses, one pre-w/o)
week 8.5 - 11.5: 40/40/30/20mg nolva ED

my question is: does anyone know what would be a comparable daily trans-d dose of 4ad to 500mg/wk of test enan??? oh, and is that too long for the M5AA???
my boldenone assumption: 9-14% conversion... avg 11%? thus, 900mg/ED 1,4 equals 99mg/ED or 693mg/wk boldenone.

 

[thebrakes]

i'm proposing this cycle as a fallback until i obtain the test e/ eq/ m5aa materials needed. this would be the next cycle for me provided rrgg comes thru with the 1.4 andro. i will have 3 bottles of 60 caps, 300mg each of the 1,4. i have 12g 4ad powder, and 2 bottles of 100 caps, 10mg each of the m5aa. i was thinking of something like this:

week 1 - 8.5: 900mg/ED 1,4 Andro caps (spread out in 3 doses)
week 1 - 8.5: 200-400mg/ED trans-d 4ad (split in 2 doses)
week 4 - 8.5: 60mg/ED M5AA tabs (spread out 3 doses, one pre-w/o)
week 8.5 - 11.5: 40/40/30/20mg nolva ED

my question is: does anyone know what would be a comparable daily trans-d dose of 4ad to 500mg/wk of test enan??? oh, and is that too long for the M5AA???
my boldenone assumption: 9-14% conversion... avg 11%? thus, 900mg/ED 1,4 equals 99mg/ED or 693mg/wk boldenone.

kind of tricky questions....

first: 4-ad isnt comparable to test e. yes, it converts to test, but the manner and rate at which it does this IN THE BODY isnt really known (we've all seen the numbers for blood conversion but that's not accurate for oral or dermal administration of it) i can tell you with 100% certainty that even high-dose 4-ad-only cycles do NOT come anywhere near test e cycles (even lower-dose ie. test-250) 4-ad is used to abate sides like libido loss and lethargy via the test conversion. it does not stand on its own as a highly anabolic compound.

as for that M5 - 60mg/day isnt going to do much. i take that IN ONE DOSE pre-workout for aggression. it does not have significant leaning/hardening/vascularity effects at these doses. if you want that, get MDHT and run it the last 2-3 weeks. (you can keep the M5 all cycle, but just pre-workout as it's mild and out of your system in 90 minutes)

i think 8.5 weeks is sorta long for a PH cycle. you cant compare it to a test-based AAS cycle because it's not as accumulative in nature. then again, i've heard 1,4ad takes forever to kick in.

 

[ZECH]

I posted in your other thread 19. Even if you bathe in 4ad, you won't compare to injectable test.
Supersoldier went to about 2 grams of 4ad cyp(inject) a week and had good gains(maybe close to 500g of test)

 

[19-chief]

kind of tricky questions....

first: 4-ad isnt comparable to test e. yes, it converts to test, but the manner and rate at which it does this IN THE BODY isnt really known (we've all seen the numbers for blood conversion but that's not accurate for oral or dermal administration of it) i can tell you with 100% certainty that even high-dose 4-ad-only cycles do NOT come anywhere near test e cycles (even lower-dose ie. test-250) 4-ad is used to abate sides like libido loss and lethargy via the test conversion. it does not stand on its own as a highly anabolic compound.

as for that M5 - 60mg/day isnt going to do much. i take that IN ONE DOSE pre-workout for aggression. it does not have significant leaning/hardening/vascularity effects at these doses. if you want that, get MDHT and run it the last 2-3 weeks. (you can keep the M5 all cycle, but just pre-workout as it's mild and out of your system in 90 minutes)

i think 8.5 weeks is sorta long for a PH cycle. you cant compare it to a test-based AAS cycle because it's not as accumulative in nature. then again, i've heard 1,4ad takes forever to kick in.

ok. so, no matter what dose of 4ad one does it will only elevate free test some... more equal to supraphysiological levels and lead to natural suppression. therefore, there is no accumulation to speak of. got it. where as, test e and it's half life allow levels to climb with each dose until serum levels plane off around 5 time natural, 3 to 4 weeks in, correct?

as far as long cycle goes, i am pretty sure i have to run the 1,4 for at least that long and maybe as long as 12 weeks for it to really work. i agree, i thought the 4ad was running a little long... maybe 6 weeks, but at the front or the back end?

is m5 really that mild?

thanks for the suggestions!!!

 

[LAM]

500 mg of test is about 4.5x what the body produces naturally. a trans-d dose of 4ad doesn't even come close to that. I would imagine around 30%...