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1-ad,4-ad Or 1-test What Stacks Are Best

Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
Will this stack work better than 1-fast lean stack. This is my real goal is cuts.
 
Fans of Avant will say no, but IMO the VPX stack is # 1
 
I agree with GOPRO. However, I did a stack of Avant "one" and boldione and had excellent results. Transdermals are just not for me though. I like to just swallow it and be done.

I would stack Syngex1 at 8cc per day with EQ at 9cc per day. You will need a 240cc bottle of each for a 4 week cycle. This is more expensive than the lean stack, but it is worth every penny.
 
Yes, I am NOT saying that Avant does not have a good product, because they DO! They always get excellent feedback. However, I feel, for several reasons, that VPX is leading the "prohormone pack" at the moment.
 
Avant are pretty much out of the PS/PH market ever since the FDA issue.

There's a possibilty of an oral PH, but that's beyond the horizon right now. Until then, i'd say almost any company but Avant are leading the "PH pack".
 
Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Avant are pretty much out of the PS/PH market ever since the FDA issue.

There's a possibilty of an oral PH, but that's beyond the horizon right now. Until then, i'd say almost any company but Avant are leading the "PH pack".

Well, that is true. Avants transdermals are all but gone, so they really aren't an issue right now. So, I will amend my statement to say that of the remaining companies that sell oral PH products right now, VPX has the most result-producing on the market.
 
I can still get avant labs trandermerals. Do you stillbelive I can get better results with something else.
 
Originally posted by Molehonea
I can still get avant labs trandermerals. Do you stillbelive I can get better results with something else.

Let me repeat myself...

1-VPX orals are just as effective as Avant transdermals are, if not more so...
2-Orals are easier to use than transdermals...
3-VPX orals are the best on the market...

My suggestion...do 4 weeks on both, with a 4 week break in-between, then compare and decide what works better for you.
 
GP, Can you get some client results from VPX orals so we can compare??
 
Originally posted by gopro
Let me repeat myself...

1-VPX orals are just as effective as Avant transdermals are, if not more so...
2-Orals are easier to use than transdermals...
3-VPX orals are the best on the market...

My suggestion...do 4 weeks on both, with a 4 week break in-between, then compare and decide what works better for you.

Cough....cough....achem, bias.
 
Originally posted by dg806
GP, Can you get some client results from VPX orals so we can compare??

I'll give you 3 "case studies" that I did on my own with clients of mine...

user #1: 6 week cycle of Syngex I...lean mass gain of 11 lbs...bench press from 315 x 1 to 345 x 1

user # 2: 4 week cycle of Test Prop/2 weeks 6-OXO/4 weeks Test Prop...lean mass gain of 14 lbs over the entire 10 weeks...deadlift from 365 x 4 to 415 x 4

user # 3: 6 week cycle of Test Prop/EQ...lean mass gain of 9 lbs...seated dumbell press from 85s x 6 to 105s x 6

I have had some clients get either better results or not quite as good, but this is around average. Feedback from people that I have gotten through IM, MM, AF and VPX are all similar.
 
Originally posted by Twin Peak
Cough....cough....achem, bias.

Dude...you should do something about that cold...I'm concerned...and...

...wink, wink...truth...
 
Originally posted by gopro
I'll give you 3 "case studies" that I did on my own with clients of mine...

user #1: 6 week cycle of Syngex I...lean mass gain of 11 lbs...bench press from 315 x 1 to 345 x 1

user # 2: 4 week cycle of Test Prop/2 weeks 6-OXO/4 weeks Test Prop...lean mass gain of 14 lbs over the entire 10 weeks...deadlift from 365 x 4 to 415 x 4

user # 3: 6 week cycle of Test Prop/EQ...lean mass gain of 9 lbs...seated dumbell press from 85s x 6 to 105s x 6

I have had some clients get either better results or not quite as good, but this is around average. Feedback from people that I have gotten through IM, MM, AF and VPX are all similar.

Impressive.
 
Originally posted by Twin Peak
Impressive.

I agree...impressive...but in truth, I've heard similar things from Avant users.
 
Didi the first user only use Syngex1? Also, I might do this with VPX but the price is so, High. Is there mfg with better prices and similar qty.
 
Originally posted by Molehonea
Didi the first user only use Syngex1? Also, I might do this with VPX but the price is so, High. Is there mfg with better prices and similar qty.

Yes, the first user just took Syngex I. Yes, the prices of VPX products are high...but in this industry you generally get what you pay for. VPX uses the best raw materials and that is why they cost more.

I will tell you though that you can still do well with products from Ergopharm, SAN, Molecular Nutrition, and Biotest. One of the trainers that I have working for me just added 5 solid lbs on 3.5 weeks of Mag 10.
 
Thanks GP!
 
GOPRO, in your case studies you posted what is test prop? Do you mean 1-test prop by VPX or test prop the AAS? Ant the same for EQ? Boldenone or 1,4ad?
 
Eric, give us summaries of each of your cycles.

And don't try and tell me you didn't record anything, cause i know your compulsive/obessive disorder for training.
 
Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
I just got my shipment of 1-AD.

it's my first time ever trying anything of the sort. i'm gonna see how it works on it's own before i go stacking it with anything else.

i can't wait to try it, although i'm a little nervous.
 
Originally posted by bigswole30
GOPRO, in your case studies you posted what is test prop? Do you mean 1-test prop by VPX or test prop the AAS? Ant the same for EQ? Boldenone or 1,4ad?

BS...I was speaking specifically of 1-Test Prop and Lipo EQ by VPX...NOT THE ANABOLIC STEROIDS!
 
Originally posted by Nate
I just got my shipment of 1-AD.

it's my first time ever trying anything of the sort. i'm gonna see how it works on it's own before i go stacking it with anything else.

i can't wait to try it, although i'm a little nervous.

Did you get the Ergopharm brand? Anyway, you should get nice results as a first time user of 1-AD, as long as your diet and training are on point. As for being nervous...don't be.
 
Originally posted by gopro
BS...I was speaking specifically of 1-Test Prop and Lipo EQ by VPX...NOT THE ANABOLIC STEROIDS!

Wow, weird how that can be so confusing. The names I mean.
 
Originally posted by gopro
Did you get the Ergopharm brand? Anyway, you should get nice results as a first time user of 1-AD, as long as your diet and training are on point. As for being nervous...don't be.

Does it matter? Its either BY ergo, or licensed from ergo, isn't it?
 
Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Eric, give us summaries of each of your cycles.

And don't try and tell me you didn't record anything, cause i know your compulsive/obessive disorder for training.

Wow...you have diagnosed me as obsessive/compulsive for training?? Now THAT is impressive, LOL...

And which cycles are you referring to specifically??
 
Originally posted by Twin Peak
Does it matter? Its either BY ergo, or licensed from ergo, isn't it?

Honestly, I wasn't 100% sure if all 1-AD came from the same source. All of the feedback I have gotten on 1-AD has been from the Egropharm brand.
 
Originally posted by Twin Peak
Wow, weird how that can be so confusing. The names I mean.

Have you ever considered standup comedy?
 
Originally posted by gopro
Honestly, I wasn't 100% sure if all 1-AD came from the same source. All of the feedback I have gotten on 1-AD has been from the Egropharm brand.

They do have a patent. So any 1-ad out there is either by ergo, or infringing on the patent.
 
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