1-ad,4-ad Or 1-test What Stacks Are Best

[Molehonea]

Could you give me a link to GP.

 

[Molehonea]

Or better yet some good products other than VPX that may be cheaper and have aboiut the same effectivmess

 

[Twin Peak]

GP = GoPro.

All the best brands were discussed on the previous page.

 

[Molehonea]

One more question if i can get ONE (Avant Labs) would you recomend it over the others? I have never tried ether one I have only tried bio-test.

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by Molehonea
One more question if i can get ONE (Avant Labs) would you recomend it over the others? I have never tried ether one I have only tried bio-test.

I think it is still available through some retailers, like 1fast400.

Based on anecdotal feedback from this and many other boards, I think I can fairly say they it is the most effective 1-Test product.

If you cannot get One, but can get another *quality* transdermal, that would be better than the orals currently available (as most prohormones except for 1, 4 andro have low oral bioavailability).

Again, I am biased, but your purchase will not go to Avant's bottom line. Also, if you ask enough people, and examine actual feedback (ie. how much some one has gained rather than "this stuff is good man") you will come to the same conclusion.

If you want to stack this with 1, 4 I would suggest either molecular nutrition or 1fast400's own brand, which is what I use, and is relatively inexpensive.

 

[Molehonea]

One more question if i can get ONE (Avant Labs) would you recomend it over the others? I have never tried ether one I have only tried bio-test.

 

[Twin Peak]

Holy dejavu, batman.

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by gopro
I know about their stuff. The VPX version will be better. Nuff said.

Eric, let me pick your brain for a minute.

I'm curious of a few things:

1. How many cycles of PH/PS have you done?

2. Of those cycles, what were the stacks, legnths etc..

3. How much did you gain from each?

4. Have you actually tried an Avant product yourself, to be putting them down so frequently?

Cheers.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Because you have tried both yes?

This is classic stuff.

EVERYTHING I SAY IS CLASSIC STUFF. SOON YOU WILL LEARN THAT.

And as to your comments about using VPX PHs....you have posted MANY MANY times that you do not and cannot use PHs because of the shows you compete in.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't EQ relatively new?

I GOT TO TRY IT LONG BEFORE IT HIT THE MARKET.

Lastly, as you have made clear in another thread, you have or soon may have an affiliation with VPX.

YES I WILL, HOWEVER, I HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDING THEIR SUPPS "AS I HAVE POSTED IN MANY MANY OTHER THREADS" SINCE I JOINED IM. ALSO, I WOULD NOT AFFILIATE MYSELF WITH ANY SUPPLEMENT COMPANY UNLESS I BELIEVE IN THEM...NO MATTER WHAT THEY OFFER.

Wasn't it also you who cast aside the opinions of well established scientists like Pat Arnold, Bill Llewellyn and Par Deus on coming off a cycle of PHs simply because they are "in the industry." You discarded their opinions on this topic for that reason even to the extent they were not recommending their own products or indeed not recommending "supplements" at all but rather manipulation in training and diet. So wouldn't your own opinion now be equally suspect?

I DO NOT CAST ASIDE WHAT THEY SAY, BUT CALL THEM SUSPECT BECAUSE THEY OWN THE COMPANY. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF BIAS WHEN I SEE IT. MY OPINIONS ARE BASED NOT ONLY ON "SCIENCE" BUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN USING IN THE REAL WORLD... DISCARDING WHAT SUCKS, RECOMMENDING WHAT WORKS. WHEN MY AFFILIATION WITH VPX BECOMES OFFICIAL I WILL LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT, BUT I WILL ALSO STILL RECOMMEND PRODUCTS FROM OTHER COMPANIES THAT I KNOW WORK WELL.

For the record, while I DO have an affiliation with Avant, Avant no longer makes PHs as they were pulled from the market. So anything still being sold is because a retailer still has stock. And so, any purchases (whether I do or do not recommend them) do not go to Avant's bottom line, as these products will never be made again.

For the record, I do not have such an afffiliation with Mike (1fast400) though he is a friend. His products are top notch, by any anecdotal account, and I use them regularly.

P.S. I have also used VPX's 1Test product, and do have a basis to compare.

P.P.S. Putting aside effectiveness of products, any consumer would do well not only to compare product X against product Y but to compare the AMOUNT of active ingredient you get for the purchase, as Kuso pointed out above.

ACTIVE INGREDIENT CAN BE OFFSET BY BIOAVAILABILITY. ALSO, I WAS REPORTING REAL WORLD RESULTS...THIS IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL INFORMATION YOU CAN HAVE.

P.P.P.S. This is truly getting quite silly.

YES, LISTENING TO YOUR CONSTANT CRAP IS GETTING QUITE SILLY...AND ANNOYING...BUT I'VE DEALT WITH FAR WORSE...REMEMBER, I USED TO POST OVER AT WBB.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Eric, let me pick your brain for a minute.

I'm curious of a few things:

1. How many cycles of PH/PS have you done?

I HAVE DONE ABOUT 1/2 DOZEN SHORT CYCLES

2. Of those cycles, what were the stacks, legnths etc..

I NEVER STACKED. I CHOSE TO EXPERIMENT WITH ONE COMPOUND AT A TIME TO BETTER ANALYZE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF EACH COMPOUND. THE ONES I HAVE USED INCLUDE 1-AD, 4-AD, 1-TEST, EQ, NORANDRO, 5-ANDRO

3. How much did you gain from each?

I WOULD HAVE TO PULL OUT MY OLD NOTEBOOKS TO ANSWER THIS ACCURATELY, BUT CAN TELL YOU THAT THE BEST GAINS CAME FROM 1-TEST, THEN 1-AD, THEN 4-AD, THEN EQ, AND NONE FROM NOR OR 5-AD.

4. Have you actually tried an Avant product yourself, to be putting them down so frequently?

NO I HAVE NOT, BUT I HAVE HAD CLIENTS USE THEM. HOWEVER, I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU SAY I PUT THEM DOWN. IF YOU READ EARLIER IN THIS THREAD I CLEARLY RECOMMENDED THEM. I MENTIONED THAT AVANT GETS SOME OF THE BEST FEEDBACK IN THE PH INDUSTRY.
Cheers.

 

[kuso]

Originally posted by Molehonea
So,

Form what your are saying I should choise the VPX?

Also, I amusing this fore a Cuts cycle, is this the best combination (T1 and 1,4, Andro)

Can I ask....how old are you?


VPX is more expensive than ONE with less than 20% of the amount of 1T than ONE........

 

[Molehonea]

I am 29 years old. I am also wanting to go on a intenste tranning and diet program to get me cut. Do you have an programs that will help me?

 

[bigswole30]

VPX prohormones may have less hormone for more money, but keep in mind it is not how much you take, but how much is used in the body. Think about it. Transdermals and Liposomal prohormones are the best bar none. I do not like the hassle of transdermals, but I will never say they are not effective.
As for VPX's new Cyp prohormones, lets just say they can be used in more than one way and I am not just speaking out of my ass. I have close contact with a very reputable employee of VPX. I will be trying it before it hits the market, but I will not disclose how I will be taking it.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by bigswole30
VPX prohormones may have less hormone for more money, but keep in mind it is not how much you take, but how much is used in the body. Think about it. Transdermals and Liposomal prohormones are the best bar none. I do not like the hassle of transdermals, but I will never say they are not effective.
As for VPX's new Cyp prohormones, lets just say they can be used in more than one way and I am not just speaking out of my ass. I have close contact with a very reputable employee of VPX. I will be trying it before it hits the market, but I will not disclose how I will be taking it.

Who do you know at VPX?? Send me a PM.

 

[bigswole30]

Gopro, check your PM.

 

[Molehonea]

Hey please dont leave me out!! could you PM me the information?

 

[Molehonea]

Please help? Would you recomend one of them I have never tried eather?

 

[bigswole30]

Originally posted by Molehonea
Please help? Would you recomend one of them I have never tried eather?

Stack Syngex and EQ and you will be very glad you did.

 

[Molehonea]

Thanks,

Sorry about so many question this is my first actual stack of t1 and adro. So, you belive this would be better than One beta(Avan and 1,4 Adro from 1Fast400.

 

[bigswole30]

Originally posted by Molehonea
Thanks,

Sorry about so many question this is my first actual stack of t1 and adro. So, you belive this would be better than One beta(Avan and 1,4 Adro from 1Fast400.

IMO, they are equally effective. I just do not like the hassle of transdermals. I have done both, so I can give a direct comparison.

 

[Molehonea]

What exact is Transdermals prohormones? What is the problem with them?

 

[Molehonea]

Did you see better results with this stack using the syntrax?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Molehonea
Did you see better results with this stack using the syntrax?

Go with the VPX or the Avant. The VPX is liquid and the Avant is topical (you put it on the skin). They both work very well.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Molehonea
What exact is Transdermals prohormones? What is the problem with them?

as gopro said you rub them on your skin and they are absorbed directly into your body, rather than an oral which has to go thru the digestive system. Also, transdermals are inherently time-released which keeps the PH levels elevated in your blood for up to 12 hours.

transdermal PH's are much more effective than orals, at least in my experience.

 

[Molehonea]

OK, I am getting different stories. The price is the same but with VPX I get less.

If they both give same results should I go with One beat?
Please give me feed back!!!!!!!!!!


Why should I go with VPX????

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Molehonea
OK, I am getting different stories. The price is the same but with VPX I get less.

If they both give same results should I go with One beat?
Please give me feed back!!!!!!!!!!


Why should I go with VPX????

You ARE going to hear different opinions on this subject...there is no way around that. YOU have to decide who YOU feel is worth listening to. The one thing I will say is that each of the products that have been recommended to you are all very very good. I personally believe VPX to be the best and this is based on knowledge of the chemistry of their products and the feedback that I get each day. That is really all I can say. Its up to you now.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by gopro
You ARE going to hear different opinions on this subject...there is no way around that. YOU have to decide who YOU feel is worth listening to.

as well as who is completely unbiased in their supplement opinions!

 

[Molehonea]

Thanks for all the help every one. I think I will go with VPX but, I am wondering if it worth the money? Becase the other products have more 1-t in them. What does the group think?

 

[Arnold]

haven't you already heard everyone's opinion here?

I prefer transdermal, e.g. AvantLabs

 

[Mikes1]

I also prefer Avant Labs.