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1991 bio claims Obama born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia

jay_steel said:
You call me an Idiot, if you actually trust Obama that purely shows how much of a tool you really are. You say you support Gary Johnson but yet you support Obama as he dances on our constitution..
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No, I trust the countless officials, and the opposing party who have provided no proof to the contrary. There are a few groups of bat shit crazy fringe lunatics who keep this going
 
Little Wing said:
you do realize the standard accepted meaning of ethics in this country is related to morals? you can study a lot of bullshit theories in college.
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That is because most people have no clue what Ethics and Morals are. Because a country is ignorant to what ethics are it does not change what the true meaning of Ethics is. You can say Trump is unmoral, but unethical is a stretch that is not true.
 
jay_steel said:
That is because most people have no clue what Ethics and Morals are. Because a country is ignorant to what ethics are it does not change what the true meaning of Ethics is. You can say Trump is unmoral, but unethical is a stretch that is not true.
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that is nonsense. you need to understand the word theory.
 
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Little Wing said:
that is nonsense. you need to understand the word theory.
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There are Ethics which is a standards and guidelines that we live by that are lawful

Ethical Theory's are theory's based off of ethics, such as doing what a virtuous person would do, doing some thing for the greater good, or doing some thing because it is your duty. None of these theory's proclaim it is ethical to break the law in order to accomplish them. The only one that may be able to be considered on the fence is utilitarianism which puts a sacrifice on one or a group for the greater good, but still does not break the law in order to accomplish the greater good.

Morals on the other hand are some thing we develop through our life time. Influenced by location, friends, and family. It is our opinion of what is right or wrong.
 
i understand your argument but some modern day professor making a statement or study of what he perceives these things to be has no real bearing on what people have understood these things to be for centuries. it's just his theory.
 
You said Trump was unethical... I said no he is not because of what Ethics are. That is black and white. Theory's are another thing based on what you believe your ethical principles should be, but ultimately the question is was he lawful. The answer is yes he was lawful. Did he hurt any one, no he did not hurt any one.

If you would have said is unmoral I could agree because in your belief of what is moral and not moral is completely different then mine which would be correct.
 
jay_steel said:
Time to buy more guns and hope for a revolution
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I've got the guns. i'm in the stock piling ammunition stage now. my problem is we shouldn't need a revolution. we just have so many idiots out there willing to re-elect this ass clown.
 
I have a buddy of mine who is basically retired runs an IT business from home and all he does is make ammunition all day. We have a three gun course at my friends house and just go through 1000's of rounds each weekend. My next gun is going to be a nighthawk 1911
 
jay_steel said:
I have a buddy of mine who is basically retired runs an IT business from home and all he does is make ammunition all day. We have a three gun course at my friends house and just go through 1000's of rounds each weekend. My next gun is going to be a nighthawk 1911
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I shoot too much to do any significant stock pilling of ammo. I've always loved the 1911 platform. i've got a springfield loaded myself
 
bio-chem said:
not unexpected, but highly disappointing for America over the next 4 years :(
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being a country headed into the shitter has less to do with who wins than it does with who we are as individuals.
 
bio-chem said:
I shoot too much to do any significant stock pilling of ammo. I've always loved the 1911 platform. i've got a springfield loaded myself
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I want the XDS so bad but in CA you have to single shot it to be legal. I can all ways convert it back but if I ever get caught with an illegal gun it just isnt worth it.
 
Little Wing said:
being a country headed into the shitter has less to do with who wins than it does with who we are as individuals.
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socialism has nothing to do with the individual, a country that gives to the weak has nothing to do with individuals. If we were to say it depends who we are as individuals we would stop enabling failure and only reward success. Welfare should be a privileged not a right. You should not be given a job you should earn a job. Both candidates are far sub par, but one has proven him self as a failure so he should not have another shot.
 
Little Wing said:
I can't believe anyone that really considers the issue would think a President should let anyone like Trump puppet him. Trump should face charges if he doesn't back off.
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I agree, just because he's a celebrity doesnt mean he can spew his BS and interfere. If this was a third world country they would cut off his head we should at least cut off that hair.
 
jay_steel said:
socialism has nothing to do with the individual, a country that gives to the weak has nothing to do with individuals. If we were to say it depends who we are as individuals we would stop enabling failure and only reward success. Welfare should be a privileged not a right. You should not be given a job you should earn a job. Both candidates are far sub par, but one has proven him self as a failure so he should not have another shot.
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I kinda agree, I think most of the members of senate were suprised and resentful that Obama won, plus Obama won the noble peace prize for nothing. Its like having 20years experience and the promotion goes to some young punk, then when he comes to you for help you have a fuck you attitude and say your the boss figure it out.
The welfare system was started for farmers who lost their crops and single mothers who lost their husbands in war, the system got stretched out.
My mom works for social services and she says some people bring their kids in when they turn 18 to start collecting a paycheck. Very seldom does someone who actually needs help comes in and when they do they have their head down.
 
Colorado student charged in glitter bomb of Romney | Reuters
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Sam Richards, 20, was one of two protesters at Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's rally in Eagan on Wednesday. He watched as fellow protester Nick Espinosa dumped glitter on Romney at the beginning of the speech and was hauled out by security. And then it was his turn.
"My nerves went away, I did it, and then I was being dragged out," said Richards, who identified himself as an Occupy Minnesota protester. "It was all said and done in 30 seconds."

they did take the first guy out. it was 2 guys. Mitt Romney Gets Glitter Bombed (PHOTO, VIDEO)

silly faggots aren't helping their case any. :coffee:
 
I am absolutely prepared to buckle down and make the best of it, hope for the best in him, if Romney wins. I hope people on either side can accept the outcome and not get caught up in some insane reaction if their side loses.
 
heckler7 said:
I agree, just because he's a celebrity doesnt mean he can spew his BS and interfere. If this was a third world country they would cut off his head we should at least cut off that hair.
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I guess its a good thing we have whats left of the constitution. Seems every day the principles in which its stands for are diminished and changed.
 
jay_steel said:
I guess its a good thing we have whats left of the constitution. Seems every day the principles in which its stands for are diminished and changed.
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not how I meant it, but I guess thats how it reads. I miss real reporting on real news, not all these jokers far left and far right cutting up clips of video and taking what people say out of context to damage the other side.
 
Mutliple times in this thread and others, there has been unedited video and transcripts of Michelle Obama saying that Kenya is Barack's home country. Why is everyone in this thread (and elsewhere) just ignoring this?

Ehhh, it was probably just a slip of the tongue. :coffee:

AND...Obama released his official birth certificate a while back, but has anyone ever seen a 50 year old birth certificate this is so crisp and so clean. Not a wrinkle in it for being 50 years old.
 
secdrl said:
Mutliple times in this thread and others, there has been unedited video and transcripts of Michelle Obama saying that Kenya is Barack's home country. Why is everyone in this thread (and elsewhere) just ignoring this?

Ehhh, it was probably just a slip of the tongue. :coffee:

AND...Obama released his official birth certificate a while back, but has anyone ever seen a 50 year old birth certificate this is so crisp and so clean. Not a wrinkle in it for being 50 years old.
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Obama is a fraud.

On edit: Can you imagine what the uneducated part of the colored population would do if Obama's tenure as POTUS was ever nullified?
 
secdrl said:
Mutliple times in this thread and others, there has been unedited video and transcripts of Michelle Obama saying that Kenya is Barack's home country. Why is everyone in this thread (and elsewhere) just ignoring this?

Ehhh, it was probably just a slip of the tongue. :coffee:

AND...Obama released his official birth certificate a while back, but has anyone ever seen a 50 year old birth certificate this is so crisp and so clean. Not a wrinkle in it for being 50 years old.
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Not defending obama but did he claim it was original or a reprint? Because I can walk down to the county and get a reprint right now.. for 20$

I think hes a fraud personally, I think there is some thing just really dark about him that he is hiding. I just find it funny that the same people that bash bush love obama. They are basically the same when it comes down to it. Both of them were power hungry and for gov't spending. If Obama was truly for taxing the rich this would have been taken care of years ago and not pushed back. Not saying Romney is are key to success but I would rather roll my dice on some one else then the same guy.

Just like in sports if your player keeps striking out you put some one new in. If the president fails to deliver what he promised to in four years he should not be given another shot.
 
jay_steel said:
Not defending obama but did he claim it was original or a reprint? Because I can walk down to the county and get a reprint right now.. for 20$

I think hes a fraud personally, I think there is some thing just really dark about him that he is hiding. I just find it funny that the same people that bash bush love obama. They are basically the same when it comes down to it. Both of them were power hungry and for gov't spending. If Obama was truly for taxing the rich this would have been taken care of years ago and not pushed back. Not saying Romney is are key to success but I would rather roll my dice on some one else then the same guy.

Just like in sports if your player keeps striking out you put some one new in. If the president fails to deliver what he promised to in four years he should not be given another shot.
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To be honest with you, I'm not 100% sure, but I thought when he released it said "original" on the top. If it's a copy, it won't say original.

And, just like the new Clint Eastwood tv ad, he says, "we gave him 4 years, he didn't get the job done, we gotta let him go."
 
I would love to replace Obama, I dont feel Romneys experience outsourcing jobs is gonna help him with importing jobs. I more worried that either way we are screwed
 
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