20 year old first cycle come critique but not scold

[jay_steel]

uh.. im actually pre med.

anyway i came here for critique on a cycle gentlemen. I already have a mother, I get enough of this at home.

Premed and your talking about not having money in the future? Premed at 20 years old your still taking GE classes. Pre med and coming on here to ask questions about AAS?

Premed and does not fully understands the hazards of aas just to fix a physical appearance? I am sorry but if you know allot about diet nutrition and are Pre Med then you would understand what your body is capable of naturally. You havent even tapped into your natural capability of muscle develpment. It sounds like you havent even tapped into it at all and want to jump straight into AAS. Also you only have 152lbs of lean body mass at 6ft. I would say get to 190 at 12% and then go to aas. You will get better gains and better health. I am not saying dont do any thing just not now is the not the time.

 

[jay_steel]

You're making a stupid mistake bro you are nowhere near ready to run any anabolics yet. How about you try to lean down more then do it.
I started at 19....dbol only no pct. gained 20-30lbs and lost say half of it. Then I decided to do my homework like a smart kid would and realize that your body grows much faster and healthier wen at a higher metabolic state (leaner then 20%bf)

But do what you want bro don't take everyone's advice here who is smart and knows what they are talking about

I agree i find it funny that people come on here and are shocked that people that support AAS tell these kids not to get on them. Only reason EVER a 20 year old should make the plunge is if they are willing to make that commitment to the next level of the sport. It should not be for self gratification, and shit like that it should be for the sport and desire to turn pro. But lets see if I got this right lets ask the vets who are VERY knowledgable and study on a daily basis what I should do.. O they said I shouldnt well fuck them I will do it any ways... I think that about sums it up.

 

[nspaletta]

Exactly he comes on here for advice from the vets and as well give him the advice and tell him not to start yet...he tells us to fuck off that he will start anyway haha. Why even post in his case? Hell I even told him to take the short cut and use ephedrine to speed up his metabolism and he won't listen. So let him make his own mistakes and cry about it later.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Premed and your talking about not having money in the future? Premed at 20 years old your still taking GE classes. Pre med and coming on here to ask questions about AAS?

Premed and does not fully understands the hazards of aas just to fix a physical appearance? I am sorry but if you know allot about diet nutrition and are Pre Med then you would understand what your body is capable of naturally. You havent even tapped into your natural capability of muscle develpment. It sounds like you havent even tapped into it at all and want to jump straight into AAS. Also you only have 152lbs of lean body mass at 6ft. I would say get to 190 at 12% and then go to aas. You will get better gains and better health. I am not saying dont do any thing just not now is the not the time.

doctors don't know shit about steroids/the endocrine system lmao


kid will do what he wants like someone said.. also, like someone else said, your (OP) body will definitely grow muscles more efficiently (nutrient repartitioning and bullshit) when lean as opposed to a blubberlard like yourself.. (again.. talking to OP)

 

[jay_steel]

doctors don't know shit about steroids/the endocrine system lmao


kid will do what he wants like someone said.. also, like someone else said, your (OP) body will definitely grow muscles more efficiently (nutrient repartitioning and bullshit) when lean as opposed to a blubberlard like yourself.. (again.. talking to OP)

Yeah, but if he is a premed student that should mean he has at least the ability to know how to conduct proper research and gather actual factual information. Most dr's should know what taking test will do to you. They may not know about tren, eq, mast, deca and ect but Test every Dr. should have some knowledge about that. But what my point was he is pre med and dumb enough to do this. If he said I want to be the next IFBB pro its my dream or I want to compete thats a different thing but just saying i want to look good thats stupid.

 

[pieguy]

How did the OP even figure out he was 20%? I mean hey, if he's going to hop on the AAS boat, you might as well tell him to go all in. Throw in some tren here, some test there, maybe some anavar for good measure .

I just question what's the point of bulking when you're already 20% bf. You just want to look fatter? At least get to a point where you don't have a huge gut before you bother with any AAS induced mass gain.

 

[hoyle21]

How did the OP even figure out he was 20%? I mean hey, if he's going to hop on the AAS boat, you might as well tell him to go all in. Throw in some tren here, some test there, maybe some anavar for good measure .

I just question what's the point of bulking when you're already 20% bf. You just want to look fatter? At least get to a point where you don't have a huge gut before you bother with any AAS induced mass gain.

That's bullshit. You know how many power lifters and pro athletes are over 20% BF.

 

[jay_steel]

That's bullshit. You know how many power lifters and pro athletes are over 20% BF.

yes but find one powerlifter that is 20% at 190.. Well I am sure there are a few that think they are but find one legit one and a proathelete. Most proathletes ate are 20+ also have probably around 200+ lean body mass.

 

[hoyle21]

yes but find one powerlifter that is 20% at 190.. Well I am sure there are a few that think they are but find one legit one and a proathelete. Most proathletes ate are 20+ also have probably around 200+ lean body mass.

It's still percentages, and the original message makes it seem like only lean people are capable of using AAS successfully. That's simply not true.

 

[Nok]

How did the OP even figure out he was 20%? I mean hey, if he's going to hop on the AAS boat, you might as well tell him to go all in. Throw in some tren here, some test there, maybe some anavar for good measure .

I just question what's the point of bulking when you're already 20% bf. You just want to look fatter? At least get to a point where you don't have a huge gut before you bother with any AAS induced mass gain.

i think anyone could benefit from a basic test cycle. no matter the experience with weights, diet knowledge or body composition.

 

[jay_steel]

i think anyone could benefit from a basic test cycle. no matter the experience with weights, diet knowledge or body composition.

i dont believe that. Now if he made the comittment to stay on trt cruise blast and ect, then thats different. If he is willing to live the lifestyle of fucked up lipids, bp, bloody noises, night sweats, hair line, ect then fuck yea go get ripped. But he said a few things. I just want to run test to gain muscle because i lost my weight the wrong way. The overal outcome of running an all test cycle one or two times is not worth it when it comes to recovery. There are safer and better options out there that will probably yield him better gains in a years time.

My first cycle i broke a bottle so i had to cut it short and then my supplier was sold out of pct. I was fucked and screwed my self up, second cycle freaked out because my lipids were fucking crazy and i broke out beyond belief because i let my blood levels go crazy with inconsitant pinning times. I take about 4 times the amount of gear then I did back then and have no sides but night sweats and raised bp from the EQ. But no break outs, lipids are perfect and ect. I learned what it takes to cycle properly and it takes allot of time and figure that out and sacrifice. That is why I don't feel a single cycle is ever worth it. My first 3 cycles i lost all my gains period and it was money in the toilet. 4 cycle was decent and 5th cycle was bunk. It honestly took my 6 cycles and a shit ton of cash to figure out what works for me to get mind blowing gains with out ruining my body and who knows if I will ever be able to have a kid... I pray I will because I will start trying next year, but those are all risks that I put on the table that I told my self is most important to me because my dream is to get a procard one day. If its as a masters or what ever.

 

[vannesb]

It does not matter how much you know about it, it matters if you have the will power to do it. At 20% bf that clearly shows a lack in will power and it is forcing you to resort to drugs. My personal opinion is steriod usage should be some thing you earn not some thing you have a right to. I told my self after becoming a fat ass. I was 6% from 16-23 and then 26% at 26 after going through severe PTSD. At 26 i wanted to compete in bodybuilding after meeting a guy who just won the NPC CA show in open and middle weight. I told my self once I get down to 12% I will run test. I busted my ass to get to 12% and started my first cycle. My diet still was not there though. I did not have proper eating habits just trained my ass off. Two years later I finally got a solid diet and made more gains in the past 3 weeks then I did in the past year.

I feel you should prove to your self that your responsible to manage a actual diet before you jump to gear or your just throwing away your money. You have no clue how many guys I know that drop 300 a month on var and test that are 24% thinking its going to get them lean, but they look the same years later.

This!

 

[malfeasance]

ik how to lift and diet. starting AAS because weight loss of ~ 100 lbs over the course of 1 yr severely brought down my LBM along with fat . . . Goal is to hit a decent LBM and cut the remaining fat because i am at an unhealthy body composition

First, congratulations on losing 100 pounds over one year. That is good progress.

Second, if you are wanting to continue losing fat while increasing lean body mass, we can help you without the steroids.

You say, "I know how to lift and diet," and I am sure you think it is true, but we can help you tweak it. Let's get you to 190 pounds with visible abdominal muscles, and then we can talk about your cycle.

Post up what you ate and drank today and yesterday.

We will work on your diet first, and then, once we get you a good one, we can start working on your cardio and lifting regimen.

We await your response - and PLEASE BE HONEST. Nobody here will rip you for it if you are sincere in wanting to improve. We can only help you tweak things if you are honest in telling us what you do. Post up your diet.

 

[malfeasance]

Saturday Bump, Original Poster, post up your diet, please.

 

[malfeasance]

And two more days go by. I guess posting up his diet is not what he had in mind, other than assuring us that he "knows how to lift and diet."