2nd cycle

[virtru707]

Hiya again guys.

Posted here a while ago to get an idea for my first cycle and holy shit, thank you very much for the info. I ran just a simple 500mg test e cycle. Started at 175 went to 185lbs, now keeping it at a steady 180ish (5' 10"). With lifts at about 90% of what I did while on cycle.

Anyways, I'm looking for some advice on my second cycle. I want to run a sort of lean mass cycle while shedding some weight.

Here's what I have so far:

Weeks
1-12 Test E, 300 mg 2xweek
1-12 Equipoise, 200 mg 2xweek
1-12 Tren Ace, 100 3xweek
1-12 Aromasin, 12.5 mg ED
8-12 Clomid, 50 mg ED

I threw in equipoise because of the purported "quality muscle" gain. The base of Test E should synergize well with Tren Ace from what I can tell. The only thing I'm not certain of is running Tren Ace at 100 mg 3xweek. Considering the rest of the list should I bump that down? I'm thinking of splitting the doses so I pin 2xweek with a tren ace/test-e/eq mix and one time just Tren.

Again, I'm 180 lbs at about 5'10" @ 14% bf if that helps.

 

[jay_steel]

tren ace needs to be ran eod not 3x a week. I would either drop the Eq or raise it. 400mg of eq i have never seen a gain from. I run mine 750 or higher. I would trade the EQ for Mast e and run 400-600 mast e

 

[virtru707]

Alright, so I'll switch the tren ace to EOD. After doing more reading there's apparently a huge difference between ED and EOD so I don't want to further decrease that by doing it 3xweek.

As far as EQ, if I bump it up to 400mg/week and keep the test e at 300mg, would tren ace be overkill? Assuming 100mg EOD that's 350mg tren ace/400 EQ/ 300 Test e ... not to mention tren is severely more anabolic than either test or eq. I guess I'm not sure about nearly 1g/week or roids (including the tren ace) at 180 lbs.

 

[TapDaddy]

You probably could save the tren for next cycle since this is just number 2. I would up the eq to 600 and drop the tren.

 

[GeauxDATY]

I would change a few things. I would bump the eq to 600+, not take the clomid until your PCT and wait until about week 4 to start aromasin. You shouldn't have any estrogen issues in the beginning and clomid is meant for pct, not during the cycle. Also, I would get some caber or prami just in case you get prolactin issues from tren. Good luck and be safe!

 

[Calves of Steel]

14% is high for a steroid user, you need to cut regardless of your bodyweight to ensure that your gains/sides isn't crap. Drop the test, swap the EQ for masteron, keep the tren 100eod. Every 4 weeks attempt to raise the tren by a bit. Once you reach 7%, you may lower tren/mast and add some test/EQ to grow into your skin and you probably won't need aromasin anymore at that point anyways.

 

[virtru707]

Hmm, alright. I'll drop tren. Maybe for the second cycle it's a bit too much and I didn't like the soreness in the injection sites the first cycle anyway. I ran 500mg of test E a week without any sides at all (no sensitive nipples, gyno, decreased sex drive etc.) so as far as my body tells me, I'm okay with test E as a base. I hear ya Calves but besides my usual routine I've added swimming daily to shed some weight. I should be 12% by the time everything arrives and is set up (2-3 weeks). I don't have any issues losing weight when I try.

I think I'm just going to keep the EQ just to try it. I want to know my response to it and I already have a base constant (test E). If I respond okay I'll keep it for my other cycles since it's fairly cheap compared to mast.

Hopefully with a proper diet I shouldn't have too much of an issue cutting while adding some mass, or just recomposing. I remember another user had more than excellent results doing carb cycling AND using a test/deca 2nd cycle.

How about this:
1-12 Test E, 400 mg 2xweek
1-12 Equipoise, 600 mg 2xweek

@geaux: whoops I meant the clomid to be for PCT, also I suppose you are right on the aromasin. EQ and Test E are both long esters so I shouldn't have any issues for the first couple of weeks.

04-12 Aromasin, 12.5mg ED
12-16 Clomid, 50mg ED


I mean...to me it looks like a pretty straightforward cycle with a bit of an extra kick seeing as it's just my 2nd. I'll worry about dropping below 9% in my 3d cycle (probably with tren) seeing as I've never been below 11% anyways.

 

[Keyser Soze]

tren ace needs to be ran eod not 3x a week. I would either drop the Eq or raise it. 400mg of eq i have never seen a gain from. I run mine 750 or higher. I would trade the EQ for Mast e and run 400-600 mast e

The half life for tren ace is 3 days. So pinning Mondays,Wednesdays and Fridays are good to go. Back in the day them guys did pin prop 1-2 times a week. And the gear did work so to say that you have to pin eod is wrong.. More stable blood levels ok but nothing more. I not try to pick on you now. Just think its all over hyped now days.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Half lives for some aas.

Drug Half-Life:

Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Anavar 9 hours
Stanozolol (oral) 9 hours
Methyltest 4 days
Stanozolol (injectable) 1 day
Clomid 5 days
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Dianabol 4.5 hours
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Halo 9-12 hours

Here are the half-lives for any of the following steroid esters:

Ester Half-Life

Test Suspension 8 hours
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

For all you sust lovers out there note that the following esters and amounts are used:
30mg Propionate
55mg Phenylpropionate
65mg Caproate
100mg Decanoate

Testonon uses the following amounts:
30mg Propionate
55mg Phenylpropionate
65mg Isocaproate
100mg Enanthate

Note that sust and testonon are in fact different in one respect. Also note that the longest acting ester in these has a half-life of 15 days. As has been noted elsewhere previously, 1/2 the half-life should be the optimal point to begin therapy, thus 1 month (minimum) with testonon and sust.

I would like to point out another fact that arimidex has a half-life of 3 days. Thus an everyday
administration is not necessary

Some others?

Equipoise 14.5 days
RU486 - 20-30 hrs
Bromociptrine - 10hrs
R3 IGF-1 20-30 hours
IGF (regular) 10-20mins
Primobolan 7 days
HCG peaks 2 and 5 days after injection
Tren Acetate 3 days


Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
Ephedrine 6 hours
T3 10 hours
Nolvadex ? 2.5-5 days
Aromatase (exemestane) - 1 day
Letrozole (Femara) - 2 days

Detectiontimes for AAS

Anavar 3 weeks
Anadrol 2 months
Andriol 1 week
Clenbuterol 4-5 Days
Deca Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate) 18 months
Dianabol 5 weeks
Durabolin (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) 12 months
Ephedrin 6-10 Days
Equipoise (Boldenone Undecyclenate) 4-5 months
Halotestin 2 months
Primobolin Depot 4-5 weeks
Proviron 5 weeks
Sustanon 3 months
Test cypionate 3 months
Test enanathate 3 months
Test Propionate 2-3 weeks
Test supspenison No metabolites. t/e should
be back to normal in days
Tremolon Acetetate 4-5 weeks
Winstrol oral (Stanazol) 3 weeks
Winstrol inj (Stanazol) 2 months .

Factors which influence the detectiontimes

Metabolism
Fluid intake
Tolerance to the drug
Frequency of intake
Duration of intake
Body fat
Potency of drug
Dosage

Lifted from Mick Harts board....

 

[theCaptn']

Run an oral for the first 4-5 weeks like dbol. 30mg is plenty.

 

[heavylifting1]

Run the tren ace every other day.

 

[keith1569]

I'd drop the eq or up it to 600+mg a week and run it 16 weeks otherwise I don't think it's worth it..

 

[heckler7]

The half life for tren ace is 3 days. So pinning Mondays,Wednesdays and Fridays are good to go. Back in the day them guys did pin prop 1-2 times a week. And the gear did work so to say that you have to pin eod is wrong.. More stable blood levels ok but nothing more. I not try to pick on you now. Just think its all over hyped now days.

more stable bloods = less sides, EOD is a better recommendation jus sayn

 

[virtru707]

EOD for tren doesn't really bother me. I can sync up my other shots so I only end up pinning 3xweek...which for adding tren ace to the mix and losing some more fat isn't too shabby.

I'm not sure about tren ace yet. I'll just stick to the EQ and test E. Seems like people keep recommending to up EQ to 600mg/week. Is it common practice to run EQ longer than other esters or should you continue taking EQ *and* a test base for 16 weeks?