I believe she became a councilman or something and was one of the leaders in getting the law changed.
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I believe she became a councilman or something and was one of the leaders in getting the law changed.
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Hupp and her parents were having lunch in the restaurant when the shooting started. Hupp instinctively reached into her purse for her .38-caliber Smith & Wesson, but she had left it in the car. Her father tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window, thinking her mother was behind her."
So like I said, she usually carried it in her purse, but had left it in her car...
I know that even in countries (the US) where people have guns, there are fewer burglaries with the people at home, than in countries (the UK) where people do not have guns...
what an ignorant statement. commie.
Well well... look who crawled out of the hole
From an article called A Daughter's Regret @ www.gunownersalliance.com, of course she isn't going to testify in front of people she wants to win over that she had usually carried it in her purse...that would be a defamation of her character.
Holy shit, a gun totting Rabbi.
I'm just curious, I had never read anywhere that she normally carried the weapon concealed, but had for some reason not done that this time.
Then there's your everyday kinda shooting where a 60 year old man on meth smokin' lefties mistakes a snorkeler for an over grown rat and shoots him in the head.
Go figure that in your stats ...
Go figure that in your stats ...
Here in Tx we got this guy ... 
Actually, Jews have compelling reasons and experiences that lead them to support gun ownership. For example, Jews For the preservations of firearms Ownership:
http://www.jpfo.org/
Some intresting articles there
40 Reasons to Ban Guns
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.
15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
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Most of those points are dubious at best and aren't backed by numbers as much as the page that I referenced.
I don't think those are supposed to be 'facts'.
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I would hope not.
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I think those answers were suppose to be making fun of proponents of gun control more than anything else.
Err, sure you read it? Most don't need any numbers. Some are easy enough to look up, and some, agreed are a bit over simple. 40, needs no cite, nor does 39, nor does 38....you get the idea.
Then pick the ones you think are not true, factual, etc. I assume they were intended as humor and sarcasm, but are true none the less.
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Not very well. I'm at a client's and doing multiple tasks. I only read the first two and skimmed the rest. I thought you were playing devil's advocate.
It's clearly intended as you say with extreme sarcasm, but they are dead on and expose the anti gun types as they are.
Then you may want to actually read before commenting. It uses humor and sarcasm to drive some points home. As you can see, I have no problems posting studies and cites, but some people respond best to humor, and this list is humor that rings true.
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No, I don't. If you were playing Devil's advocate about gun contol, I'm all ready familiar with the facts.
As you stated "A fact is that places were guns are common, violent crime is lower." means you can't be all bad
I suppose the list plays Devil's advocate and attempts to use the logic/reasoning of anti gun groups to expose how wrong and illogical they are.
Yeah even this gun controlled Canadian realizes that
I am happy to report most Candians are smart enough to realize gun control wont prevent nuts cases from getting guns.
Stronger gun laws won't stop rampages, polls suggest
Hubert Bauch, CanWest News Service; Montreal Gazette
Published: Saturday, October 21, 2006
MONTREAL -- Canadians have little faith changes to our gun control laws could help prevent another shooting rampage like the deadly incident at Montreal's Dawson College, a new poll suggests.
Only 37 per cent of Canadians, living outside Quebec, said such actions would prevent a similar incident, the Ipsos Reid survey indicated.
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http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/story.html?id=cd47facd-c9cd-4710-a01a-d1b7fce7167b&p=1
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As you stated "A fact is that places were guns are common, violent crime is lower." means you can't be all bad
Oh, I'm sure that some part of me is "bad."
No, the list doesn't. Like I said, I didn't read it very well. My bad.
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