A very moderate cycle

[SJ69]

Ok, here's the deal, I hope someone can offer some opinions.
I'm 35, 5'10" 185, max bench 275, lifting for 3 years after a 10 yr layoff. My goals are to get my bench up to at least 315, maybe 325 (275 seems to be my natural limit, I work out hard and been stuck here even after varying my routine).
I'd also like to add about 10-15lbs of lean muscle.
My goals are not extravegant, so my cylce will also be on the "lite" side. Side effects and money are a concern.
My thoughts are :
200mg sustanon / wk + I Winstrol tab (or 2 Anavar) per day

Sustanon because I want a long acting and a quick acting test and don't want to buy multiple tests.
Do they still make real Anavar?

Thoughts? Thanks,
SJ

 

[Mudge]

If you want even blood levels (LACK OF SIDE EFFECTS) then trash the sustanon idea right now. Specifically what side effects are you worried about?

Yes, real anavar is still out there, pretty expensive though.

 

[SJ69]

Mostly worried about gyno and acne.
Also, on such a moderate cycle will my own test shut down, and if it does is the above mentioned cycle enough to compensate plus get some extra test (above normal, natural levels)?

 

[SJ69]

Also what about using Deca plus Winstrol instead?

 

[Mudge]

Even anavar will shut down test, everything will. Testicular atrophy will not be a concern, and acne would not be likely on a short, lightweight cycle.

Anything over 100mg a week will more than replace your natural test levels, at your age it may be fairly noticeable since your levels are going to be less than when you were younger. Replacement therapy doses are 100mg every 2 weeks, or every week tops.

I'd stick to test, deca will shut you down double hard, test is best. Winstrol I am not interested in because of the pain and possible tendon issues, it promotes collagen synthesis but in a weaker form, and I am already slightly paranoid about heavy deadlifting and having a bicep seperate, screw winstrol, but thats just my overly paranoid opinion. If I competed I would probably take the risk, but I dont.

Problem with enanthate/cypionate is it will take longer to start showing strong results, around the 5th week. Propionate would be nice but it requires frequent injections, this is why typically people go with test and an oral so that the first 3-5 weeks aren't for not.

 

[BeerHunter]

test cyp for size......fina for strength. I dont know of any way to prevent acne, its pretty much a givin with me on any cycle.

 

[SJ69]

Which oral would you substitute for Winstrol?
I thought about d-bol, but I think I want an American made and I think all d-bol is now foreign.
Thanks again

 

[Mudge]

Yes, dbol has not been made in the US since I believe the mid 80s when Ciba lost its patent. I would definitely go with dbol though, thai (British Dispensory), naps (Romania) or Russian would top the list. I have no prejudices against foreign made products unless they are known to be bunk or dirty.

 

[SJ69]

Ok, cool,
200 mg sustanon plus 1 or 2 dbol a day
sound sufficient?
more, less or am I just about there as far as dosage for my goals?
Thanks, you've been a lot of help
SJ

 

[SJ69]

that was 200 mg sustanon a week.

 

[Mudge]

Dbol should be taken every 3-4 hours, if you are only going to do one or two I would just take them pre-workout, 45-60 min prior.

You are litterally going to be buying 10 or 20 dbol only? Unless you have a gym source who is having a penny sale its going to be hard to find in such low quanities Normally you buy 100 at a time minimum, $22-$30.

I ran 250mg sust for my first cycle, I had wished I ran 500, but I did put on about 19 pounds so it worked out ok. Some people respond to low doses, some dont. 400mg is usually the lowest I would recommend to anybody now.

 

[SJ69]

Thanks
yeah I'll buy 100 or even 200 and save them for the next cycle, or take them like supplements latter, maybe to help me cycle off.

 

[Mudge]

You dont want to pop them like a supplement as they will keep you suppressed, like I said even Anavar will hit the HPTA within 2 days, I have posted the graph before but can do so again if you like.

Cycle and get off, you would be better off running a good cycle then staying clean than running a replacement cycle for months on end which is what the dbol will end up being.

2-3 weeks after your last sustanon shot, begin your post cycle and stay off the dbol.

 

[Skate67]

just how frequent must you inject prop?

 

[Mudge]

ED or EOD, I am doing ED.