Abortion........a womans right?

[Stickboy]

Haha. I never said it wasn't. I said embryonic stem cell research wasn't. You can get stem cells from other things.

 

[Rich46yo]

What i the pregnancy is a result of rape?

And by the way, those photos are fuckin' awful. Thanks for the warning, prick.

Dumb ass, you don't think a link that says "abortion & Pictures" is warning enough? I was going to post a warning with it but I figured anyone stupid enough to click it, that couldn't have figured it out beforehand, deserved to lose their breakfast.
But you did know beforehand didn't you? Your just like the drones that backup traffic for miles at a car accident scene hoping to get a look at the headless corpses. Or you gleefully click away at gory I-net pages. You knew what that link was going to show you, and you clicked it anyway didn't you?
The rest of you are hypocrites. What did you think abortion was? After looking at the pictures is it still so easy to say that fetus "isn't a life"? Is you leftist lawyer-ese still so easy to spit out? Is it still "just" a medical procedure? And I don't want to hear the "what if it was the result of a rape" crap, 99.9% of abortions are of the dimestore variety where two people simply don't want to meet their obligations as parents.
And there are plenty of Republicans who support abortion, and plenty of Democrats who don't. Lest face it,most people vote for who they think will fill their pockets most. I think thats a shame, because Ive always felt that the underlying root of all our social problems is there just isn't respect for "life" anymore. Ive seen it a million times on the street, people murdered,raped,robbed,beat,set on fire,kids strangled in cold blood, I wish I had the pictures of all the human on human genocide Ive seen in over 20 years of working the street.

And why? Because there is just no respect for life anymore! And abortion is part of the disease. I don't give a damn if I didn't "make any friends" with this thread. Now abortion has a face, and its not some face-less political issue as it was before you saw them. I'm sorry if it shocked you, but I'm even sorrier its legal.
Because abortion is murder!....take care..............Rich

 

[gr81]

no comment

 

[BoneCrusher]

We're on his ignore list anyway Gr81. He don't see nutin we say.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Haha. I never said it wasn't. I said embryonic stem cell research wasn't. You can get stem cells from other things.

You know that was what I was talking about anyway dude ... so I still say .

 

[pmech]

Wow, Rich has shown what a trully remarble POS he is. Even the people that might agree with you on this subject think you are a numbnuts.

 

[gr81]

....and the oddsmakers take a beating!! lol

 

[Rich46yo]

Wow, Rich has shown what a trully remarble POS he is. Even the people that might agree with you on this subject think you are a numbnuts.

Whos this asshole? I cant read what bonehead and gr81 think because I have them on my ignore list.pmech is heading there too, whoever in hell he is........... ..................Rich

 

[pmech]

LOL... Moron, put me there I could care less.

 

[MaxMirkin]

Could use a bit more ketchup, i think..................Much better!


(Thanks Rich, how would I ever find such tasty treats without you. )

 

[redspy]

I believe in a woman's right to choose, it's not something that should be decided by a bunch of male politicians, it's a personal decision.

 

[maniclion]

Over 4,000 of these precious children are killed by abortion each day in America alone. When will it end?​

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1,460,000 children a year , some who face a horrible genetic birth defect, some who will be born to a crack/ice whore mother, some will be outcomes of rape facing feelings of unwant from their family, still some will be born but the mother will die, some will be born to a teen mother who will drop out of school and turn to wrong way's of supporting the child. Not only will this hit us heavily in the health care and health insurance sectors due to the high number of birth defected children, emotional disorders and home abortions gone bad , but many will live in squalor or orphanages because Fags won't be able to adopt any of them.​

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In ten years 14,600,000 unwanted children on top of the 40,000,000 wanted children in that same time thats 54,600,000. Now in 5 more years half of that first wave will become fertile and from then on the numbers increase exponentially until the U.S has to take China's aproach to birth and limit it. Food and space will definetly become spread thin. Those numbers only represent the U.S, imagine the world without the 46 million abortions it has per year.​

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I think abortion is a horrible thing and should only be done in the most extreme cases, but the reality is that only the mother knows what is the right thing to do with the package she is carrying in her belly.​

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By the way some of these pictures could be still-borns, mis-carriages and fakes.​

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[Arnold]

And I don't want to hear the "what if it was the result of a rape" crap, 99.9% of abortions are of the dimestore variety where two people simply don't want to meet their obligations as parents.

I would rather see two teens abort a baby in the first tri-mester than bring another unwanted child into this world that will have a crappy life.

 

[shutupntra1n]

I wasn't going to post an opinion, and I'm still not going to. I like playing devil's advocate and I thought this might put an interesting thought on it.

Given the way our country handles it's morals....

People make it way more complicated than it needs to be. You could start making exceptions to every rule such as murder and okaying it here and there "Pending exceptions and Circumstances"...

There are two stances that will alter your opion on abortion. Either you accept the fact that God is the author of life or you don't.
If you are prochoice most likely it is because it is not a dilemma that directly affects you or you think somewhere down the line you may need to have one and you wouldn't want to be against it b/c you just may be a hypocrit for it at some point. Or you are against it b/c you accept God as the author of life and leave it very simple. Problem is that most people make it so complicated and start drawing lines all over the place. It is true that there is always freedom of choice even if the law prohibits. There is still a freedom to obey the laws or break them. Freedom does not mean "Without consiquense". So all women have the right to choose no matter what common law says. Our problem as a society is that we want the freedom to choose WITHOUT any consiquenses. Most people are PRO everything and ANTI God like morals b/c if they choose to believe in a power higher than themselves suddenly there are "all these" responsibilities to own up to and rules to follow. I am not going to say if I am against it or for it. It's just funny how in every hot debate like gay marriage, abortion or the next thing, in America those without God need man kinds law to be structured around what they feel and want in order to be at peace with their own actions and to feel better about their own desires. When you structure your life around religious fundamentals you don't need to be told by political rules and regulations how you should live. As far as I'm concerned the last thing I need is to have a bunch of people that are as faulty as the rest of us creating the structure of morality.

The laws shall never set my morals. For if they do I am as weak as the man who has written them, and he is not only equal to my flaws as a human but I rather follow the rules of someone who is all knowing. The only being that set the best standards for the end results is someone who knows all the facts and details... and there is only one who knows all, he who is the creator of life. Those who set there decisions on what is right in your heart and not right by another man is the one who is the strongest.

 

[HARD_Right]

Whos this asshole? I cant read what bonehead and gr81 think because I have them on my ignore list.pmech is heading there too, whoever in hell he is........... ..................Rich

Rich you and I seem to be like-minded people. I have read your posts and although you are rather blunt at times you appear to be a conservative person. You stand behind our great President without vacillating or giving in to pressure from feeble minded liberal democrats.

You sir are a Patriot.​

 

[MaxMirkin]

I wasn't going to post an opinion, and I'm still not going to. I like playing devil's advocate and I thought this might put an interesting thought on it.

Given the way our country handles it's morals....

People make it way more complicated than it needs to be. You could start making exceptions to every rule such as murder and okaying it here and there "Pending exceptions and Circumstances"...

There are two stances that will alter your opion on abortion. Either you accept the fact that God is the author of life or you don't.
If you are prochoice most likely it is because it is not a dilemma that directly affects you or you think somewhere down the line you may need to have one and you wouldn't want to be against it b/c you just may be a hypocrit for it at some point. Or you are against it b/c you accept God as the author of life and leave it very simple. Problem is that most people make it so complicated and start drawing lines all over the place. It is true that there is always freedom of choice even if the law prohibits. There is still a freedom to obey the laws or break them. Freedom does not mean "Without consiquense". So all women have the right to choose no matter what common law says. Our problem as a society is that we want the freedom to choose WITHOUT any consiquenses. Most people are PRO everything and ANTI God like morals b/c if they choose to believe in a power higher than themselves suddenly there are "all these" responsibilities to own up to and rules to follow. I am not going to say if I am against it or for it. It's just funny how in every hot debate like gay marriage, abortion or the next thing, in America those without God need man kinds law to be structured around what they feel and want in order to be at peace with their own actions and to feel better about their own desires. When you structure your life around religious fundamentals you don't need to be told by political rules and regulations how you should live. As far as I'm concerned the last thing I need is to have a bunch of people that are as faulty as the rest of us creating the structure of morality.

The laws shall never set my morals. For if they do I am as weak as the man who has written them, and he is not only equal to my flaws as a human but I rather follow the rules of someone who is all knowing. The only being that set the best standards for the end results is someone who knows all the facts and details... and there is only one who knows all, he who is the creator of life. Those who set there decisions on what is right in your heart and not right by another man is the one who is the strongest.

Now I don't usually like to argue with ladies (there's always a chance it'll somehow interfere with sex later on), but in this case I have to. If we didn't have man-made laws, society would crack apart like a tiny little egg. Most people don't give a rat's ass about what religion says. Oh they might proclaim themselves to be deeply religious, but in the end they're just out there for themselves. And there's nothing really wrong with that. We're human beings, that kind of shit is in our nature.

What's my point? The only thing that keeps us from disintegrating into total anarchy, is our man-made laws. Without the threat of real, earthly punishment most of us would run amok. (I know i would ) So don't think they're somehow unnecessary. Religion might hold back a few idio....devout people, but the majority of humanity needs firmly-enforced laws!

Oh, and of coarse I'm pro-choice. No one has the right to tell someone else what to do with their own body.

P.S. I'm a moderate Republican, so don't blame it all on Dems & liberals.

 

[Pepper]

hey guys, what do you think of my new T-shirt??

http://store.yahoo.com/ppfastore//ihadabt.html

ah ah ah, thats right bitches...

I think that just shows how much class that organization has.

I am trying my best NOT to click Rich's link, but you guys have piqued my curiousity.

 

[Pepper]

I would rather see two teens abort a baby in the first tri-mester than bring another unwanted child into this world that will have a crappy life.

No offense, but I do think this is the worst of pro-choice arguements. It requires you to believe that it is better to have not lived than to have been born into harsh circumstances and I think that is absurd.

It further assume that these people will have no contribution and that is just arrogant.

 

[MaxMirkin]

No offense, but I do think this is the worst of pro-choice arguements. It requires you to believe that it is better to have not lived than to have been born into harsh circumstances and I think that is absurd.

It further assume that these people will have no contribution and that is just arrogant.

That's your opinion, which you're entitled to....just like this couple is entitled to do what they choose to do. The highest form of arrogance is somehow assuming that you (or anyone else) should make the decision for them.

 

[Arnold]

No offense, but I do think this is the worst of pro-choice arguements. It requires you to believe that it is better to have not lived than to have been born into harsh circumstances and I think that is absurd.

It further assume that these people will have no contribution and that is just arrogant.

no offense taken, that is your opinion.

maybe you should go visit some of the tens of thousands of children in foster homes though.

 

[Pepper]

And ask them if they'd rather be dead? OK..you're on.

 

[Pepper]

That's your opinion, which you're entitled to....just like this couple is entitled to do what they choose to do. The highest form of arrogance is somehow assuming that you (or anyone else) should make the decision for them.

This is why the debate is so screwed up. No one can stay on point.

Are you saying that this couple can "choose" to kill their child after it is born? Of course you are not. Saying that this debate comes down to "choice" is just not true. We don't have the choice to do alot of things because they are wrong and harm others.

The issue is whether is should be legal or not to terminate a pregnancy inside the womb. That's a hard question to answer, and one that even still struggle with. Saying that decsion is about choice is just way, way wrong.

If you are corect, my choices are limited by laws everywhere. I want to choose to drive 100 MPH while drunk. It that my choice?

 

[austinite]

And by the way, those photos are fuckin' awful. Thanks for the warning, prick.

Abortion IS ugly. If more saw the pictures then maybe so many babies wouldn't be killed in the womb at taxpayers expense, no less.

 

[I Are Baboon]

<--- pro choice.

 

[shutupntra1n]

Now I don't usually like to argue with ladies (there's always a chance it'll somehow interfere with sex later on), but in this case I have to. If we didn't have man-made laws, society would crack apart like a tiny little egg. Most people don't give a rat's ass about what religion says. Oh they might proclaim themselves to be deeply religious, but in the end they're just out there for themselves. And there's nothing really wrong with that. We're human beings, that kind of shit is in our nature.

What's my point? The only thing that keeps us from disintegrating into total anarchy, is our man-made laws. Without the threat of real, earthly punishment most of us would run amok. (I know i would ) So don't think they're somehow unnecessary. Religion might hold back a few idio....devout people, but the majority of humanity needs firmly-enforced laws!

Oh, and of coarse I'm pro-choice. No one has the right to tell someone else what to do with their own body.

P.S. I'm a moderate Republican, so don't blame it all on Dems & liberals.

I did not say that laws are silly... You did not read my post in full context. I am going into law enforcement so obviously I feel laws are necessary
The point of what I had written was to say that many people would like certain laws to embrace their choices so that they can feel better about the choices they make. If they have no god then the only thing that governs their system of right and wrong is usually common law. Unlike me who will not do something just b/c man says it is ok

 

[shutupntra1n]

no offense taken, that is your opinion.

maybe you should go visit some of the tens of thousands of children in foster homes though.

Having much foster family in my life I beg to differ that that holds any circumstance for abortion.

 

[Arnold]

Having much foster family in my life I beg to differ that that holds any circumstance for abortion.

you were one of the fortunate ones that gained a foster family, how about the majority that do not?

my point was only that we do not need more unwanted babies that end up in foster homes, so if two teens get an abortion I would rather see that.

either way, there is NO right or wrong answer to this debate.... for those of you that took a college level Ethics class you know this and you've read both sides of this argument in great detail, I know I have.

 

[BabsieGirl]

OMG
the pictures are very upsetting.

 

[pmech]

As I have Robert, but again I think we come back to improper parenting skills causing most of the major issues we see today.

Again I refuse to answer which way I believe on the abortion subject, but I do firmly believe that lack of parenting skills in the last couple generations have provided alot of the problems. For instance teenage pregnancy. Is it the sole reason for said things? No, but it does play a major part I think.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Where do we draw the line on abortion? Let's say a woman cannot get an abortion and gets shit ass drunk and kills the fetus. i would assume this would constitute murder. Now Let's assume some womam get's pregnant and, not knowing she is pregnant, goes out and get's drunk and the fetus dies? What about if a woman knowingly starves herself to kill the fetus? What about if a woman cannot afford to feed herself, thus killing the fetus? There are too many what ifs out there for a concrete no abortion, IMO.