Abortion: Yes or No

[Rusty]

Originally posted by Prince
I listen because he is very knowledgeable on many topics, especially politics, and it's a good way to gain insight on many things, especially current events.

Agreed.......

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by Prince
so, what is the charge for attempted suicide?

Death by be-heading.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by Prince
Again, no, which establishes, as does the drug example, that there is precedent for society determining what a woman can and can???t do with her body.??????

Really there are alot of things we can't do with our bodies, but if you want to drink yourself into the ground and smoke yourself, your family and friends to death go right ahead.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Mudge
Really there are alot of things we can't do with our bodies, but if you want to drink yourself into the ground and smoke yourself, your family and friends to death go right ahead.

that is not my thinking, it's Rush Limbaugh's.

 

[mmafiter]

Originally posted by Tboy
What happened to responisbility? Give the child away for adoption. My sister has been waiting for a baby to adopt for quite sometime.

There are other options... like Don't have sex. Or don't have Sex, or dont have SeX.

I think rape or incest may be different.

I agree you should be responsible, but asking people to not have sex isn't going to work. People are sexual beings and in our culture everything is sold using sex. The message our children/teens recieve is that sex is fun and they should do it. Nothing about responsibility, 1:00am feedings, diaper changing, colic, child poverty, etc. This is wrong, but it won't ever change, ever. Too much money is at stake too worry about morals.

As for the people waiting to adopt, why can't they find a child to adopt? Usually there are waiting lists of children looking for homes, but most people only want to adopt a baby. And a particular "type" of baby at that. I'm not saying this is the case with your sister, but I find this tactic against abortion frustrating. Many pro lifers say that the fetus shouldn't be aborted and someone will adopt it, but when you ask them if they have adopted any underpriveledged kids they say "Oh no!"

Or they only want a baby, without any health problems, of the same race, etc. Yet there may be a 6 or 7 year old kid sitting in foster care that nobody wants because he has been screwed up mentally by unfit parents.

 

[ZECH]

Pro Life! I think when a baby is conceived, there is life. Many people will argue that point. I think this has alot to do with the way you believe(religion thread). And Prince noted that teenagers were too irresponsible. Well they were irresponsible when they had sex too. Where does it stop? I agree with IPMC. You do the deed, you need to take responsibility. Too many people in this country today don't face up to their responsibility. Too damn sad!!

 

[cornfed]

Holy sh!t, I'm not touching this trip-wire

I'd rather play hokey-pokey w/ a claymore mine's trigger

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by mmafiter

Or they only want a baby, without any health problems, of the same race, etc. Yet there may be a 6 or 7 year old kid sitting in foster care that nobody wants because he has been screwed up mentally by unfit parents.

Those kids are very special in their own way and deserve to be loved just like any other human being, maybe more. Would it make life more difficult? Sure it would.

 

[coleman]

i am pro-choice.

i believe it is unfair on the child to be punished for his mother's irresonsibility. i also believe in youthinasia

 

[Dr. Pain]

I'm not voicing an opinion....but wwas wondering were 'Late term' abortion plays ito this discussion, if at all?

DP

 

[dino]

Pro-choice, and that's as far as I will answer this one!

 

[Tboy]

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
I'm not voicing an opinion....but wwas wondering were 'Late term' abortion plays ito this discussion, if at all?

DP

For me, You get into when would it be to late to abort. As the baby comes out? 6 months down the road? 30yrs later? What would be the differance in you or I aborting one of our children after we've had them around awhile and decide we didn't wan't them? Whats the difference in 1 day and 30 days? 3 months?

Is it to late to abort Prince or Dero?

 

[BUSTINOUT]

I'm with Cornfed on this deal. lol But I am by no mean neutral on the subject either. But I do have a few questions out of curiosity. Bear in mind, I'm not making jundgement, just asking the question...

I'm curious how many people can look in their own child's eyes and say it is okay to commit this act.

As for the argument of teenagers having the abortion simply because the likelyhood of them being responsible about sex is not realistic. This is insane. Think about it. We are teaching them that there are no consequences for their actions. You don't want ot have a baby as a teenager? Tough shit. Like Princess said, put it up for adoption. Again, this is regarding teenage pregnancies and abortions. As for abortions limiting the number of kids thrown in trashcans. I don't see this as a viable argument. Many of those instances don't have money for they trailer rent, much less an abortion.

It has always amazed me though how we justify things when we cannot step up and take responsibility for our actions. I bet nearly every one of us here are glad at least one of our parents was willing to take on some responsibility.

 

[ZECH]

The problems with teenagers today are the parents not taking responsibility to raise the children correctly!!

 

[kuso]

Originally posted by coleman
i also believe in youthinasia

I`m not sure if you are joking or not but its euthanasia....and another whole topic

 

[ZECH]

This has really got me hot...................hell I see it everyday with the drug dealers on the corners, the prostitutes walking the streets. Where the hell are the parents??

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by Tboy
For me, You get into when would it be to late to abort. As the baby comes out? 6 months down the road? 30yrs later? What would be the differance in you or I aborting one of our children after we've had them around awhile and decide we didn't wan't them? Whats the difference in 1 day and 30 days? 3 months?

Is it to late to abort Prince or Dero?

The difference is development. After a baby is developed and has a brain and other functions then it is a human being and not just a fetus. (as cold as that sounds)

And sorry. Prince and Dero are developed (not sure into what though ) and are considered human beings

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by irontime
The difference is development. After a baby is developed and has a brain and other functions then it is a human being and not just a fetus. (as cold as that sounds)

Again, this is a matter of opinion. Not saying it is wrong opinion. Just that there are two schools of thought on the topic.

 

[kuso]

Originally posted by irontime


And sorry. Prince and Dero are developed (not sure into what though ) and are considered human beings

I noticed though BO, you didn`t say this was just a matter of opinion

 

[BUSTINOUT]

I'll have to think about that one. LOL

 

[kuso]

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
I'll have to think about that one. LOL

Another new topic up for debate maybe??

 

[ragingbull]

Holy Crap Prince,

I've been out for four, count them one, two, three, four, FOUR hours. I come back home and what do I see. Freak'n 380 reads and 80+ post to an abortion thread. Anyway.......

I think it is a little odd how many of the post describe abortion as having mercy on this child. This poor child who will never be loved, never cared for, and never given a chance. This may be a revelation to some but.....ever child deserves a chance at life.So, in having mercy for you, my fetus, I will kill you. interesting.(IMO).

These are the questions I wonder about since Roe V Wade.
1. Which abortion would have had the cure to cancer?
2. Which abortion would have been our countries leader?
3. Which abortion would have cure for AIDS?
There are hundreds more.

What I think this argument boils down to is adults doing away with their mess by making another. There is tons of research done on mothers who have had abortions and the psychological ramifications of it.

IMO-This is not a fetus issue, this is a human issue. A fetus is human when it has human DNA. which is at inception.

JUST MY OPINION.

 

[Stickboy]

Personally, I am Pro-life. I believe that life is created at conception, and that it is morally wrong to have an abortion.

BTW, this topic is a powder keg.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Prince
well, that is the philiosophical aspect of this debate that will never be agreed upon.

what are you killing? if you view a fetus as a "potential life" you're not killing anything, just terminating the potential of a life, and that's how I view it.

a few of you here failed to read or acknowledge this post I made (see my quote).


this whole argument boils down to is a fetus a person? that is the philosophical debate at hand that has no right or wrong answer.

or is a fetus a "potential person"?


and how exactly do you define a person?

is a seed a plant?
is a an egg a chicken?


at what point is the fetus a person?

right at conception?
or once there is consciousness?


if you have ever taken a philosophy course in ethics there are very strong arguments on both sides of this argument, and no matter what it will remain a philosophical debate because there is no black and white answer.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by Prince
that is not my thinking, it's Rush Limbaugh's.

Well no deh? LoL, I know man...

Originally posted by mmafiter
I agree you should be responsible, but asking people to not have sex isn't going to work. People are sexual beings and in our culture everything is sold using sex. [/b]

Ah hah, but how did we get here. This is not my fancy car, this is not my beautiful wife.... oops, eh, so that is saying since were "stuck" here now with a lazy society and weak parenting, we should just let things fly and treat irresponsibility as OK. Do you tell your kids that its ok because the rest of society is in the hell hole? I am guessing not Sure, on some level its not going to work, but damn if the parents can get to the kids first and not avoid being a parent, that would freaking help. Its a shame that TV and society raise the kids now because we went downhill VERY fast over the last 100 years.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
I'm not voicing an opinion....but wwas wondering were 'Late term' abortion plays ito this discussion, if at all?

DP

I for one can't understand, how seeing a 6 month baby on a plate waiting to get eaten wouldn't sicken them. Why? Because a baby is just a 'thing' to people like that, not a human being, one of thier own, how the connection doesn't get made in someone elses brain like our own sometimes we dont understand, and it shocks us.

Just as much as I can't understand going at a full term baby with a coat hanger does not drop your stomach to your knees, it seems sick on the level of irresponsibility, but sure you can get off the hook no problem, come into my office and I'll fix that one night stand for you. I think pro-choice is a misnomer of its own, because I think you are speaking on someone elses behalf as well, someone who has no voice.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by Stickboy
BTW, this topic is a powder keg.

It doesn't have to be, I think everyone is being quite civil so far, I'm not red in the face and I'm still glad to be here.

 

[Rissole]

Originally posted by w8lifter
Prince = shit disturber

 

[butterfly]

I'm totally pro-choice... in the sense that a woman should have the right to make decisions without interference from the government.

BUT... I DO believe abortion is murder unless there is a life threatening situation to the mother.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by butterfly
BUT... I DO believe abortion is murder unless there is a life threatening situation to the mother.

so, if that's what you believe would it not still be murder?

and why is the mother's life more important than the unborn child's life?