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Abortion: Yes or No
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Originally posted by cornfed
Well look out Dero and Oldbob
DAMN, gonna have to change my address again.
Originally posted by Prince
so, if that's what you believe would it not still be murder?
and why is the mother's life more important than the unborn child's life?
I had to have 2 D&Cs last year which are essentially abortions... doc said I could wait and see if my body would miscarry own it's own but then I ran the risk of hemorraging which could cause other problems, like even death.
Even though those pregnancies weren't meant to be, I know those little embryos had souls... I could feel them with all my being. Most men just can't understand that.
It's such a personal decision to make. I've never judged a woman on her choice to keep a baby, give him/her up for adoption or even getting an abortion. I don't have to agree with someones choice... I just agree that they should have the right to make it.
Think on this one... mother is under and the husband has to decide
. I've seen that 1 1st-hand.
Originally posted by Prince
I am sorry to hear that you went thru that.
but, you avoided my question: If the mother's life is at risk then it's okay to "murder" the unborn child? Why?
Not sure I have the kind of answer you are looking for. It just seems the logical thing to save the mother's life because 1) she could have more children and 2) she may already have other children that need her.
Being a mother myself, I'm not so sure I would want to live if I lost my child but I think it would be even harder on the child to have lost his mother... some might even go through life feeling guilty for "causing" his mother's death.
I don't believe one life is any more valuable then the other. It would be a tough call!
Originally posted by cornfed
Think on this one... mother is under and the husband has to decide
Guess that's something expecting parents should talk about it before hand.
so, what if the mother were single, had no other children, and it has already been determined that after this pregnacy it is impossible for here to have more children? (hypothetical speaking here)
then do we save the unborn child and sacrifice the mother, or is the mother's life still more important?
(btw, I am just trying to stir up some philosophical shit here. )
then do we save the unborn child and sacrifice the mother, or is the mother's life still more important?
(btw, I am just trying to stir up some philosophical shit here.
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Like I said... I don't see one life as being more important than the other esp. in the situation you described.
Damn, you're doin it nowOriginally posted by Prince
(btw, I am just trying to stir up some philosophical shit here.
Oh, and have any of you listened to the Dream Theater song ... #4 on their latest CD... it's about stemcell research... "...Life to save life..."
He!! yes 
I'm saying that I don't know what I'd do if I were in that situation.
What would you do?
I'm assuming you mean before the mom ever goes into labor, right.
What would you do if she was in labor and a choice had to be made between her or the baby?
What would you do if she was in labor and a choice had to be made between her or the baby?
the mother.
that would make the decision very difficult and hard to live with, but I would still save the mother, don't ask why I just would.
I guess I would have a harder time living with the fact that I let my wife die, someone that I love and cherish, and have spent many years with and consider to be a huge part of my life.
Maybe that is a selfish decision and reasoning.
that would make the decision very difficult and hard to live with, but I would still save the mother, don't ask why I just would.
I guess I would have a harder time living with the fact that I let my wife die, someone that I love and cherish, and have spent many years with and consider to be a huge part of my life.
Maybe that is a selfish decision and reasoning.
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I agree %100 with ya. A baby still does not have a personality or provide the attatchment that comes with making a relationship with someone. It would be a sad loss but at least if you still have the mother and you wanted to, you could try again.Originally posted by Prince
I guess I would have a harder time living with the fact that I let my wife die, someone that I love and cherish, and have spent many years with and consider to be a huge part of my life.
Maybe that is a selfish decision and reasoning.
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Originally posted by Prince
the mother.
that would make the decision very difficult and hard to live with, but I would still save the mother, don't ask why I just would.
Why would it be a hard decision if you believe in abortion?
I don't believe in abortion but the choice for me would still be the same. If it came down to the finish and the choices were the mother or the baby... I'd choose the mother.
I really don't think that it would even be a choice. I would make the choice then ask for forgivness.
I can somewhat understand B! As much as I can anyway. My wife had two D&C's last year also. One was trying to miscarry and the other did not have a heart beat at 10 or 12 weeks. I know the feelings and hormones way well!!
She also had a miscarriage and D&C before we had the two we've got. So she has a history and feels just like you do as far as the child having a soul and being a human being.
BTW that was early spring and summer and it took the rest of the year to get her hormones straight!
BTW that was early spring and summer and it took the rest of the year to get her hormones straight!
If your wife were six months pregnant and the doctor said that if the baby is not aborted the mother will die.
ummm...isn't that abortion?
hence, it would not be a difficult decision for me because I do not have a problem with abortion.
Do I really post my stances and opinions so unclearly that people make me re-post what I have already said?
Originally posted by Prince
If your wife were six months pregnant and the doctor said that if the baby is not aborted the mother will die.
ummm...isn't that abortion?
hence, it would not be a difficult decision for me because I do not have a problem with abortion.
Do I really post my stances and opinions so unclearly that people make me re-post what I have already said?
Hmmm... No usually you quite clear. Just your last post has you contridicting yourself.
You first said that it would be a difficult decision. Now you say it's not.
The latter I believe. The first I was questioning.
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Sorry Prince, I gotta agree with Tboy here, you had me confused too.
ahhh...let me clarify:
It would be difficult if my wife were in labor and I had to say let the baby die, but I would not have to think twice about what the decision would be. I just meant it would be hard to stand there and say let the baby die, it would hurt, that's what I meant by a difficult decision.
As far as believing in abortion I was meaning that if we were talking about aborting the baby before labor ever took place I would not have a problem with that decision.
You're right though, we had a couple of different scenerios going on here with abortion, and I think my posts started to get confusing, or I forgot which scenario I was responding to.
It would be difficult if my wife were in labor and I had to say let the baby die, but I would not have to think twice about what the decision would be. I just meant it would be hard to stand there and say let the baby die, it would hurt, that's what I meant by a difficult decision.
As far as believing in abortion I was meaning that if we were talking about aborting the baby before labor ever took place I would not have a problem with that decision.
You're right though, we had a couple of different scenerios going on here with abortion, and I think my posts started to get confusing, or I forgot which scenario I was responding to.
