Abortion

[bio-chem]

If i'm following your train of thought properly, i totally agree.

The whole abortion argument, to me, is an argument over the potential for life. So taking the fertilized egg-becoming-a-human a step further, each load that a man shoots into a rubber, or anywhere but into the vagina can be considered murder because each load is a potential life that will never be. Its almost like a slippery slope argument, if we ban abortions because there is a potential for life, we should go all the way and arrest people for wasting eggs/sperm because they each could potentially become a human life. Sex for pleasure should then be illegal etc.

I'm terrible at verbalizing my feelings, but i hope i got my point across.

this is a weak arguement, and i think you know it

 

[danzik17]

Can we legalize 45th trimester abortions for when we realize "damn, this kid is a waste of life"?

 

[bio-chem]

Can we legalize 45th trimester abortions for when we realize "damn, this kid is a waste of life"?

are you reffering to danny? the answer is yes.

 

[AKIRA]

no, I dont see it as demented at all. i dont have a problem when people fuck for pleasure. sex should be for pleasure. sex is not just for reproduction. you need to remember though that i'm an individual that believes and practices that sex should be reserved for within the bonds of marriage. I dont expect everyone to follow that. ive said that before. I also started on this thread by saying I dont expect nor want roe vs wade overturned. but a concieved child is just that. I dont accept the "they are better off not exisiting arguement" and I dont like the idea of cowards not taking responsibility for the natural consequences of choices they make.

I am not sure if I am reading your statement correctly, but in speculation...

A couple that has sex for pleasure, has a pregnancy, and chooses to have an abortion IS taking responsibility.

 

[Vieope]

Jesus would not like this thread.

 

[The Monkey Man]

Can we legalize 45th trimester abortions for when we realize "damn, this kid is a waste of life"?

Can we legalize it when we can CLEARLY SEE that the parents are a waste of life?

 

[bio-chem]

I am not sure if I am reading your statement correctly, but in speculation...

A couple that has sex for pleasure, has a pregnancy, and chooses to have an abortion IS taking responsibility.

i would question your definition of responisbility.

 

[DOMS]

i would question your definition of responisbility.

Hey, as a serial killer, it's part of my responsibility to hide the bodies.

 

[AKIRA]

i would question your definition of responisbility.

If I live and die by the dictionary, I think Ill be ok with that statement.

 

[bio-chem]

Hey, as a serial killer, it's part of my responsibility to hide the bodies.

and yet so few are able to do it well

 

[bio-chem]

If I live and die by the dictionary, I think Ill be ok with that statement.

 

[DOMS]

and yet so few are able to do it well

Yeah, but just think about the serial killers that you never hear about.

 

[bio-chem]

Yeah, but just think about the serial killers that you never hear about.

they usually get a really cool nick name until they do something on purpose to get caught. zodiak killer or green river killer. DOMS killer doesnt have a really good ring to it ill think of something better for you though.

it will have something to do with minorities

 

[Yanick]

this is a weak arguement, and i think you know it

I'll give it to you that it is a weak argument, because such laws would be impossible to enforce. But what about condoms? There is no end to the insanity that the super religious christians are capable of IMO. I'm not bashing you btw Bio-Chem, your posts on this forum have showed you are definitely not one of 'them.'

 

[AKIRA]

Why the long face? I ask a mirrored question. I cant understand why people give a shit about this when its not their lives.

So I want to ask you.. Why do you care? What impact does an unknown person's abortion have on you?

If you ask me why I dont care, Ill answer with, "ive got other problems." May seem narcissistic, but its not. Not always.

 

[bio-chem]

Why the long face? I ask a mirrored question. I cant understand why people give a shit about this when its not their lives.

So I want to ask you.. Why do you care? What impact does an unknown person's abortion have on you?

If you ask me why I dont care, Ill answer with, "ive got other problems." May seem narcissistic, but its not. Not always.

maybe i should restate my original post when i entered this thread by saying i do not wish to see roe vs wade overturned. it has been law since before i was born and i do not vote based on a candidates position on this issue. (i feel there are a lot more important litmus tests to our country)

with that as my intro i will still try and answer your question. i would think that the value a society places on an unborn child should be something all of us should think about. regardless of this effecting me directly or not, it effects society, and i am a member of society. when people join together to form a country or society they choose the laws or code that societies members will be judged by.

 

[AKIRA]

What if I wanted to be a part of society by doing some things and not everyting? Is that ok? I think it would be, therefore I couldnt be labeled as someone that just "didnt care."

However, I think abortion is something that I dont want to go sticking my nose into if its none of my business.

Thats why having options and the definition of responsibility is in the eye of the beholder.

I am not going to change your mind on abortion in general, but I dont think someone that has an abortion is avoiding responsibility. I actually think the opposite..which is what you quoted a page or so back.

 

[bio-chem]

What if I wanted to be a part of society by doing some things and not everyting? Is that ok? I think it would be, therefore I couldnt be labeled as someone that just "didnt care."

However, I think abortion is something that I dont want to go sticking my nose into if its none of my business.

Thats why having options and the definition of responsibility is in the eye of the beholder.

I am not going to change your mind on abortion in general, but I dont think someone that has an abortion is avoiding responsibility. I actually think the opposite..which is what you quoted a page or so back.

your first statement i dont really get. i dont see anyone labeling you here. you have been the one to say you "dont care"

for not caring so much about this topic you seem to be posting in this thread a bit more than one would expect.

having a child is a major commitment and responsibility. conceiving a child, and pre-maturely ending this child to avoid this commitment or responsibility seems to be cowardly by my line of reasoning. again let me just say this is a broad statement spoken about in generalities. i recognise each situation is unique and a personal decision for the person involved. for this reason i would not change roe vs wade

 

[AKIRA]

I care about discussion, especially heated ones.

"cowardly" But its still an option.

Not only that, Id also say it could be..wise. Two people fuck..for the pleasure of sex and they get pregnant. They have no money, no lives, no future.

Sure they could give it up for adoption, but I have never heard of anyone doing it. Ever. (Personally)

 

[bio-chem]

I care about discussion, especially heated ones.

"cowardly" But its still an option.

Not only that, Id also say it could be..wise. Two people fuck..for the pleasure of sex and they get pregnant. They have no money, no lives, no future.

Sure they could give it up for adoption, but I have never heard of anyone doing it. Ever. (Personally)

"no money, no lives, no future"? i guess would be a matter of perspective. you know many people who would use all three of those to describe themselves? i've lived in the philippines for a few years and seen the poorest of the poor, and these people would not describe themselves as such.

and ill not disagree with you in that it is an "option" for those who want to go down that road. but i guess my only response is it doesnt have to be the option taken. plenty of options are out there for those who are willing to be a little less selfish and do whats best for the child and not best for themselves

 

[bio-chem]

Against the trend, U.S. births way up - Yahoo! News

thought this was interesting

 

[soxmuscle]

Personally,

I think Akira is indirectly helping society by believing what he believes because by aborting this fetus, you're doing not only this poor child a service, but you're not bringing down society by bringing a baby into this world whose going to live an unfortunate life.

 

[bio-chem]

something about telling a child "your better off dead" just doesnt sit right with me.

 

[DOMS]

Against the trend, U.S. births way up - Yahoo! News

thought this was interesting

I wonder how much the Plague of Mexicans has affected those numbers.

 

[bio-chem]

I wonder how much the Plague of Mexicans has affected those numbers.

if you read the article you will see that it did a lot. births are up along all of the races, but greatest among hispanics

 

[tucker01]

I wonder how much the Plague of Mexicans has affected those numbers.

You guys better get that disease under control. I would almost want the HIV more then them

 

[DOMS]

You guys better get that disease under control. I would almost want the HIV more then them

No shit. Mexicans are HIV for civilized culture.

 

[soxmuscle]

something about telling a child "your better off dead" just doesnt sit right with me.

better off not being born, not better off being dead. there's a difference.

 

[AKIRA]

if you read the article you will see that it did a lot. births are up along all of the races, but greatest among hispanics

Heheh

Well theres a switch!

 

[bio-chem]

better off not being born, not better off being dead. there's a difference.

thats a hard sell