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Decker said:
I fully expected you to cut and run.

Point out my flaws in logic.

Point out my inconsistencies.

I think I've been very consistent.

You are doing exactly what you are supposed to do: decry me as feeble and obviously outside the lines of reasonable debate. Then you run away without supporting your accusations or making any reasoned, fact-based argument of your own.

So good riddance Bud, you're not adding anything to the talk anyways.

However, if you want to discuss things like a man, I'll be here.
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Well, there were other sources beyond the one that you listed that indicated that Iraq had WMDs. :shrug:
 
BigDyl said:
You're saying no one died when Bush lied?
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I've yet to see incontrovertible proof that he did lie. The only thing that I've heard in that regard is people like you ranting. I'm not saying that he didn't lie, I'm just saying that I haven't seen the proof yet. And your "OMG there were no WMDs" rantings don't count.

But I was referring to the quote in the JPG.
 
Wow, who would have known Cheney could see 10 years in to the future back then.
 
DOMS said:
I've yet to see incontrovertible proof that he did lie. The only thing that I've heard in that regard is people like you ranting. I'm not saying that he didn't lie, I'm just saying that I haven't seen the proof yet. And your "OMG there were no WMDs" rantings don't count.

But I was referring to the quote in the JPG.
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So you need incontrovertible proof of everything to believe anything? Do you believe in God?


If you cut out the partisan bs for a moment and think about what someone said and what they did, with the ties they had, intentions they've had, and the access to resources second to none to know the truth... sometimes you don't need incontrovertible proof... you just need to take one look at the evidence and say "Wow, that's clearly BS."
 
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BigDyl said:
Very reliable indeed.
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Saddam's desire that we believe that he had WMDs does count for a lot. We thought that he had them (after all, we already gave him some), and he indicated that he did. That does sound reasonable.

And Putin is suppose to be an ally. :shrug:
 
DOMS said:
Saddam's desire that we believe that he had WMDs does count for a lot. We thought that he had them (after all, we already gave him some), and he indicated that he did. That does sound reasonable.

And Putin is suppose to be an ally. :shrug:
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We never gave saddam nukes. But if you mean all of the chemical and biological weapons we gave him to use against Iran, then yes, but they are way past expiration date.
 
DOMS said:
Saddam and Putin, to name two. :shrug:
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Unfortunately under UN Resolution 1441, they don't count for much.

Pres. Bush asked the UN to enforce Res. 1441 to make Iraq comply with that resolution.

Iraq did ultimately comply as to inspections and volunteering info re WMDs.

Bush ordered the attack anyways.

Obviously there's something grievously wrong with using force to enforce a resolution that is being complied with.

The Inspectors on the ground in Iraq were the best judges of whether Iraq had WMDs in violation of Res. 1441.

And even if Iraq had wall-to-wall WMDs, the US could not unilaterally attack Iraq. The UN Security Council had to give permission first.

It never gave such permission.
 
DOMS said:
Well said on Cheney's part. That still doesn't indicate that Bush lied.

I don't think that we should have stayed, either.
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A lie can be an omission too.

Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister told the CIA Saddam had no nukes or programs or such but the Whitehouse ignored that information.

The WH ran with Curveball's information that WMDs were everywhere in Iraq b/c it fit with what they wanted to do, namely attack Iraq.

Curveball was the cab-driver from Iraq that pretended to be an insider in the Hussein regime.
 
Decker said:
Iraq did ultimately comply as to inspections and volunteering info re WMDs.
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This is very humorous. Even after 10 years, the inspectors will never got a 100% look around Iraq. All Saddam did was agree to let them back in with promises of showing them everything (because he'd done so great in the last 10 years) after the US geared up to finish it.
 
Decker said:
A lie can be an omission too.

Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister told the CIA Saddam had no nukes or programs or such but the Whitehouse ignored that information.

The WH ran with Curveball's information that WMDs were everywhere in Iraq b/c it fit with what they wanted to do, namely attack Iraq.

Curveball was the cab-driver from Iraq that pretended to be an insider in the Hussein regime.
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Why should they have acted on Sabri's intel? Why should they have believed him?

Also, who is Curveball? :thinking:
 
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DOMS said:
Why should they have acted on Sabri's intel? Why should they have believed him?

Also, who is Curveball? :thinking:
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The WH ignored Sabri's information by not including it in ANY reports--so the Congress was not on the same page information-wise.

Curveball is the guy/informant who told the CIA about all the WMDs and WMD programs in Iraq. Curveball (informant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The WMD inspectors and the germans (who originally found him) cautioned the US that he was at best unreliable and at worst, crazy.

Curveball's information laid the groundwork for Powell's WMD talk at the UN.

Why did the whitehouse run with the info from the crazy guy and ignore the Iraqi foreign minister's info?

I think you know why.
 
DOMS said:
This is very humorous. Even after 10 years, the inspectors will never got a 100% look around Iraq. All Saddam did was agree to let them back in with promises of showing them everything (because he'd done so great in the last 10 years) after the US geared up to finish it.
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Not according to Scott Ritter. Ritter was in Iraq for 6 years as chief weapons inspector of UNSCOM and published a report that accounts for 100% nuclear disarmament (they had none), and 99-100% of all chemical and biological weapons (virtually all accounted for). However, anything that wasn't discovered that was given to them had long since expired. These things have a shelf life after all.
 
IainDaniel said:
I am the fag....

The guy with 2 kids.... Interesting logic there. Guess those ebonics pay off.

You sir are a boy genius. Keep at it.
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If this post wasn't a week ago, he'd be gone now!
 
BigDyl said:
You're saying no one died when Bush lied?
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Look at all of the people involved in this converted effort - to lie.

Peter Hadley told millions of Americans about the attempts to buy "yellow cake" in Niger, which is involved in uranium production. This has been proven false by the CIA, DIA, and Congressional testimony.

Judith Miller - she wrote 2 false article on the front page of the New York Times. Who was feeding her the false info? Libby. This was discovered in testimony.

Richard Perle, one of the most powerful men in Washington

Wolfowitz

Rice

Doug Feith

the PNAC


And a host of other indivituals.
 
^ I still feel the same way, DOMS.

Thanks for reminding the others that they too, can choose correct side in this conflict.
 
Big Smoothy said:
^ I still feel the same way, DOMS.

Thanks for reminding the others that they too, can choose correct side in this conflict.
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As usual, your logic, and ability to understand the reality of things, is fucked.

I posted that to make sure that all reading know what kind of a douche bag you are.

Have a nice day.
 
DOMS said:
As usual, your logic, and ability to understand the reality of things, is fucked.
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Try to be specific. "Reality" is very complicated and is a bit philosophical. Focus on facts. From these facts, you can form an opinion and provide a cogent argument.

I posted that to make sure that all reading know what kind of a douche bag you are.
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I hope you keep posting that. That post shows that there are those who don't support dropping the Mark77 firebomb on civilians.

Have a nice day.
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Thank you. And a nice day to you, as well. :thumb:
 
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