alcohol

[Skib]

ok starting tomorrow i'm going on a 6-8 week cut plan just to see what results i can achieve... however, one thing i'm not willing to sacrifice is the occasional partying... so what would you say is the best thing to drink alcohol wise? i don't drink very often but i know i won't be able to go 2 months without drinking (especially with it being summer time and all)

i've heard vodka, water, bar lime would be the best... so what do some of you guys drink alcohol wise?

 

[Jodi]

Distilled Alcohols are the better of choices mixed with soda water or crystal light or diet soda.

 

[rburton]

A single beer or glass of wine every few days has health benefits, but if you are serious about getting cut and training, don't imbibe. Alcohol use can decrease testosterone while simultaneously increasing estrogen levels.

 

[OceanDude]

Yeah, hate to say this but alcohol is basically seen as a ???poison??? to the body. Since alcohol can???t be stored every single energy metabolic activity currently ongoing must immediately stopped and put to the task of getting the alcohol out of they system. This means that any current fat burning that are ongoing must stop and the body must switch its fuel source (like throwing the car into reverse to brake rather than just downshifting to carbs or protein). If you are eating at or near the same time its double jeopardy since the body now must in fact shuttle excess fuel to fat to enable the alcohol to be metabolized. This and the previously stated fact that it adversely impacts testosterone and is a depressant and is a diuretic means you better have a really good time since its gonna cost you a lot in terms of progress.

OK ??? so you made the decision to drink anyway. Choose your poisons and your quantities carefully and try hard to not eat too much with it. I do occasional small glass of red wine, rarely any mixed fruit juice distilled beverages and occasionally a couple very light low carb low cal beers between meals. Then you pay the price the next day in the gym ??? don???t be surprised to find your strength or water levels messed up for 2-3 days.

 

[Skib]

well for a 21 year old male i'm definately pretty good with my alcohol intake

i only drink about 2-4 times a month

i don't think that's too bad for someone my age when i know 80% of my friends go out and get shit faced at least 4 times a week

 

[OceanDude]

Yeah I hear you skib. No one wants to be left out of the social scene. But if you want to participate socially and "win" in a passively sneaky sort of way I'd recommend being remembered as the "nice guy" who was always volunteering to be the designated driver and buying all the guys drinks (???taking out the competition??? so to speak). You might be amazed to learn how many fit people walk around in bars with non-alcoholic beers in a frosty mug or soda water and lime in a tall glass to give the impression they are drinking. Let the dumb ones get totally wasted and see how easy it is to lucidly impress the girls at the bar when your buddies are making fools of themselves on their stuttered pickup lines, or puking in the bathroom or not being able to "meet expectation" if they finally do hook up with a hottie . Most guys can't seem to catch on to the fact that no lady wants to be around an intoxicated obnoxious and loud jackass ??? and statistically that leaves the field wide open for the ???nice guys???. Perhaps its Machiavellian technique but its effective and more common than people imagine.

 

[PB&J]

Jack and Diet coke!

 

[Trump]

Originally posted by OceanDude
Yeah I hear you skib. No one wants to be left out of the social scene. But if you want to participate socially and "win" in a passively sneaky sort of way I'd recommend being remembered as the "nice guy" who was always volunteering to be the designated driver and buying all the guys drinks (???taking out the competition??? so to speak). You might be amazed to learn how many fit people walk around in bars with non-alcoholic beers in a frosty mug or soda water and lime in a tall glass to give the impression they are drinking. Let the dumb ones get totally wasted and see how easy it is to lucidly impress the girls at the bar when your buddies are making fools of themselves on their stuttered pickup lines, or puking in the bathroom or not being able to "meet expectation" if they finally do hook up with a hottie . Most guys can't seem to catch on to the fact that no lady wants to be around an intoxicated obnoxious and loud jackass ??? and statistically that leaves the field wide open for the ???nice guys???. Perhaps its Machiavellian technique but its effective and more common than people imagine.

You got it.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by rburton
Alcohol use can decrease testosterone while simultaneously increasing estrogen levels.

And cortisol levels as well. Alchohol is about the worst thing you can do while bodybuilding man. There are other htings that you can do instead, pop some pills even or smoke some weed if you must, but if you want to achieve your goals you must prioritize things. Do you really want to get cut like you say or is drinking that important to you, you can't do both and be effective in your cutting plain and simple.

 

[bigss75]

vodka and diet coke

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Skib
so what do some of you guys drink alcohol wise?

Skol Vodka in water.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by gr81
There are other htings that you can do instead, pop some pills even or smoke some weed if you must, but if you want to achieve your goals you must prioritize things.

I agree with GR here. Get a few friends together, play some cards, and smoke a quarterbag. That sure beats being designated driver.

 

[Skib]

Originally posted by gr81
And cortisol levels as well. Alchohol is about the worst thing you can do while bodybuilding man. There are other htings that you can do instead, pop some pills even or smoke some weed if you must, but if you want to achieve your goals you must prioritize things. Do you really want to get cut like you say or is drinking that important to you, you can't do both and be effective in your cutting plain and simple.

i totally see what you're saying and completely understand

i really want to take this meal plan seriously and if it means only drinking even once or twice a month than that's what i'll do... and i'll keep the alcohol to a minimum... but for me to completely cut out alcohol for the next 2 months i think would be impossible...

unfortunately i already smoke enough weed as it is... i guess it's my alcohol substitute a lot of the time... dunno bout the pills though... those will definately hurt your body 100 times more than alcohol will... well your brain anyways

 

[dymas]

i really want to take this meal plan seriously and if it means only drinking even once or twice a month than that's what i'll do... and i'll keep the alcohol to a minimum... but for me to completely cut out alcohol for the next 2 months i think would be impossible...

That's good Skib! You just about nailed it there...sticking to a diet is next to impossible if you commit to it half-assed and end up cheating big time.

I think it's much better to take a balanced approach and follow a diet that is realistic for your life. Seeing that alcohol is bad is great, but being honest enough to admit your lifestyle makes it hard to elimate and finding a balance between to two is going to give you the best results IMHO!

 

[Jodi]

There are other htings that you can do instead, pop some pills even or smoke some weed if you must, but if you want to achieve your goals you must prioritize things

This possibly the worst advice I have ever seen.

BB is a lifestyle not a fucking DIET!! Your health should be the number one concern, not how ripped or lean you are. This suggestion of smoking and popping pills is not the ways of a healthy lifestle.

Having alcohol will only stop your fat loss for about 12 hours but it won't harm you in moderations like the above suggestion.

 

[OceanDude]

Originally posted by Jodi
This possibly the worst advice I have ever seen.

BB is a lifestyle not a ... DIET!! Your health should be the number one concern, not how ripped or lean you are. This suggestion of smoking and popping pills is not the ways of a healthy lifestle.
...

I like your spunk!

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Jodi
Having alcohol will only stop your fat loss for about 12 hours but it won't harm you in moderations like the above suggestion.

I don't agree with the pill advice, but weed isn't THAT bad. I don't think there's anyone here who has never smoked weed before. It shouldn't even be illegal, but don't get me started.

 

[dymas]

but weed isn't THAT bad

you've got to be kidding me?! If you mean marijuana isn't as bad as smoking crack than ya you might have a point

Marijuana has the same cancer-causing crap in it that tobacco smoke. It might even be worse since when you smoke marijuana you hold the smoke in your lungs for longer. That sticks more tar in your lungs. In addition most joints are smoked all the way to the last bit (roach) and they aren't filtered like a cig.

UCLA did a study...this is copy of it I was too lazy to dig around to find the original printing.

http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/druginfo/tashkin-marijuana.html

a few highlights from the study:

The tar phase of marijuana smoke, as already noted, contains many of the same carcinogenic compounds contained in tobacco smoke, induding nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and up to a 50 percent higher concentration of carcinogenic polycydic hydrocarbons, induding benz[a]pyrene (Hoffmann et al. 1975). Benz[a]pyrene, which has recently been shown to promote mutations in the p53 oncogene (Denissenko et al. 1996), is believed to play an important role in human cancer.

One marijuana cigarette was shown by Wu and colleagues (1988) to deposit four times as much tar in the lung as a single filtered tobacco cigarette of approximately the same weight. The higher content of carcinogenic polycyclic hydrocarbons in marijuana tar and the greater deposition of marijuana tar in the lung act together to amplify exposure of the marijuana smoker to the carcinogens in the tar phase.

 

[OceanDude]

dymas I don't have the reference handy either but pot was reported to have a definate statistical link with lower motivation and reduced testosterone and I even think elevated estrogen.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by OceanDude
Yeah, hate to say this but alcohol is basically seen as a ???poison??? to the body.

It is indeed! It is a WASTE PRODUCT, just imagine you are drinking some beings piss, deeeeeeeeelicious.

 

[RCfootball87]

dymas, saying that one joint is equivalent to four cigarretes doesn't mean anything because no one smokes 30 joints a day. Say the average cigarrete smoker smokes a pack a day. What is that like 16 cigarettes? The average weed smoker does not smoke 4 joints a day, nonetheless 16.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by dymas
you've got to be kidding me?! If you mean marijuana isn't as bad as smoking crack than ya you might have a point

Marijuana has the same cancer-causing crap in it that tobacco smoke. It might even be worse since when you smoke marijuana you hold the smoke in your lungs for longer. That sticks more tar in your lungs. In addition most joints are smoked all the way to the last bit (roach) and they aren't filtered like a cig.


This is a false statement and you can't prove it dymas. Know the facts before you start spreading fallacies. Weed is NOT a carcinogen like cigarettes are and I dare you to try and prove me wrong. You obviously know nothing about marijuana from your comments so keep them to yourself.

 

[Jodi]

You guys will keep the tone down in here I'll get rid of yet another thread.

I mean it.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by Jodi
This possibly the worst advice I have ever seen.

BB is a lifestyle not a fucking DIET!! Your health should be the number one concern, not how ripped or lean you are. This suggestion of smoking and popping pills is not the ways of a healthy lifestle.

Having alcohol will only stop your fat loss for about 12 hours but it won't harm you in moderations like the above suggestion.

Damn Jodi calm down, I was just joking. For your info there is nothing wrong with popping some pain pills now and then, it is MUCH LESS harmful than alcohol, Boos will harm much more in your body than just fat loss for 12 hrs. No one said it is a healthy lifestyle though b/c it isn't. You can't even compare weed smoke and pain medication to alcohol though in terms of biological harm, no doubt about it, prove me wrong.

 

[gr81]

No one here is getting a tone except you jodi, you are the one that got mad at my post and started to curse, taking it way to seriously. I simply stated that he was wrong in his statements and asked him to prove me wrong, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[dymas]

gr81:

you're right I really am clueless on marijuana I did do some research on it a few years ago but that's about it.

I simply stated that he was wrong in his statements

I posted a link to a research done by UCLA. I didn't think I was posting wrong info and backed up my statements. Whether or not UCLA study was any good who knows? For all I know Harvard could have done a research that marijuana is great for you. There are two sides to every agrument right?

and asked him to prove me wrong,

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong. If people wanna smoke or do marijuana, so be it. I just find it hard to believe that anything smoked is going to do anything good to your lungs.

 

[leg_press]

The older guy I know who trains and doesn't use supplements, buy's 24 short bottles of lager a day because he has friends round and he reckons it hasn't done him any harm

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by dymas
I just find it hard to believe that anything smoked is going to do anything good to your lungs.

Exactly, who had the bright idea of standing over a campfire and breathing in the smoke, and then putting that in a cigarette.

 

[Mudge]

Try injecting alcohol into your body and see how badly it kicks your ass, even a teaspoon will MORE than get the job done. Your liver has to filter that garbage out.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by gr81
For your info there is nothing wrong with popping some pain pills now and then, it is MUCH LESS harmful than alcohol

Even Tylenol is hepatoxic.

http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum/CerebellarAtaxiaF/Somedrugshepatoxic.html