alcohol

[rburton]

This thread has had some interesting replies, to say the least. However, the comments have focused soley on the physical effects of alcohol and other drugs. What about the psychological and cognitive effects? For instance, memory is impaired, so are judgement and perception. I cannot understand why any one would want to ingest substances that can affect them adversely.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Jodi
You guys will keep the tone down in here I'll get rid of yet another thread.

I mean it.

Just because you disagreee with what me and GR are saying doesn't give you the right to delete the thread. If we were being vulgar and offensive then maybe. No one is insulting anyone and everything seems very civil to me, just a little debate.

 

[Fit Freak]

Back to the subject at hand...what to drink with the least effects in terms of BF...I would go with rum and water or vodka and water with a zest of lime.....or as Jodi mentionned mix any distilled alcohol with a diet soda, water, or crystal light.

Persoanlly I think it's possible to maintain or achieve a lean physique if you're drinking only once a week or once every two weeks. Just make sure you don't eat junk during your partying time otherwise your waistline will definately pay the price. If I plan a night out with plenty of alcohol I usually try to eat less during the day and avoid snacking while I'm intoxicated...then drink a tonne of water and hit the cardio hard the next day.

WORKS 4 ME

 

[Jodi]

Originally posted by RCfootball87
Just because you disagreee with what me and GR are saying doesn't give you the right to delete the thread. If we were being vulgar and offensive then maybe. No one is insulting anyone and everything seems very civil to me, just a little debate.

You obviously missed a post or it was deleted were there was insult. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I would removed the thread.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by dymas
gr81:

you're right I really am clueless on marijuana I did do some research on it a few years ago but that's about it.


I posted a link to a research done by UCLA. I didn't think I was posting wrong info and backed up my statements. Whether or not UCLA study was any good who knows? For all I know Harvard could have done a research that marijuana is great for you. There are two sides to every agrument right?


I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong. If people wanna smoke or do marijuana, so be it. I just find it hard to believe that anything smoked is going to do anything good to your lungs.

Look no one claims that smoking anything is GOOD for you, I am just tired of the information that is fed and ate up by the general public about the dangers of certain substances like weed. It is not a carcinogen, people do not die from it, it poses very little health risks if used in a proper manner. Does that mean it is good for you, NO, but I have done plenty of research and I am tired of the myths being dispelled about the dangers of marijuana that just aren't true. I happen to feel very strongly that it should be illegalized so people can stopped being imprisoned for it.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by Skib
well for a 21 year old male i'm definately pretty good with my alcohol intake

i only drink about 2-4 times a month

i don't think that's too bad for someone my age when i know 80% of my friends go out and get shit faced at least 4 times a week

Hey skib, I am 22 and haven't had any alcohol for a long time, I haven't been "shit faced" for even longer. Just b/c you are 21, that is no excuse. I stopped drinking b/c my bodybuilding goals outweighed getting drunk once in a while. Besides, look at it like this, yo drink so you can lose your inhibitions and talk to women more freely right, you wanna spit the drunk game. But when you are stacked you don't have to spit drunk game, you can walk around confident w/o alcohol. That is much more impressive to women.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by gr81
Look no one claims that smoking anything is GOOD for you, I am just tired of the information that is fed and ate up by the general public about the dangers of certain substances like weed. It is not a carcinogen, people do not die from it, it poses very little health risks if used in a proper manner. Does that mean it is good for you, NO, but I have done plenty of research and I am tired of the myths being dispelled about the dangers of marijuana that just aren't true. I happen to feel very strongly that it should be illegalized so people can stopped being imprisoned for it.

I agree with you here. I ended up getting a detention because I disagreed with my "health" teacher when she said smoke weed and you could go into a coma(misspell?). How many people has that happend to, two? Even more than that she was making it out to be the most dangerous thing ever and the moron private school kids were eating up every word. This from the same teacher that said you can build muscle with just 60 grams of protein a day and you don't need that extra protein. And the teacher that refused to even debate me about steroids after we read an exaggerated article about some idiot teenager who went bald because she said they were just dangerous and we all knew that so we won't go there.

 

[gr81]

its amazing the presonceptions that the general public has about some substances, they will believe anythihng that the gov. feeds them. How about those weed commercials that they have been playing where a stoner kills his friend accidently or crashes his car and it says that half of the drivers in accidents test positive for weed or something like that, not teling the audience that weed stays in your system for up to a month, negating their stupid statistic in the first place. I wish they would just educate people and let them make their own decisions, like we are too stupid to handle the facts

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by RCfootball87
I ended up getting a detention because I disagreed with my "health" teacher when she said smoke weed and you could go into a coma

That teacher sounds like a real dipstick.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Mudge
That teacher sounds like a real dipstick.

I know more than half of my teachers about what they're trying to teach me! Morons.

 

[Skib]

Originally posted by gr81
Hey skib, I am 22 and haven't had any alcohol for a long time, I haven't been "shit faced" for even longer. Just b/c you are 21, that is no excuse. I stopped drinking b/c my bodybuilding goals outweighed getting drunk once in a while. Besides, look at it like this, yo drink so you can lose your inhibitions and talk to women more freely right, you wanna spit the drunk game. But when you are stacked you don't have to spit drunk game, you can walk around confident w/o alcohol. That is much more impressive to women.

i fully agree but truthfully i really enjoy going out for drinks every so often... why else would i do it in the first place, right? who says i always have to mack the women? sometimes it's fun just having a few drinks with the boys and getting some good laughs...

i don't think i could ever fully give up drinking alcohol but i can definately deal with drinking less frequently and in smaller amounts

 

[gr81]

hey, we all have our vices in life, right.

 

[OceanDude]

Originally posted by Skib
...who says i always have to mack the women? sometimes it's fun just having a few drinks with the boys and getting some good laughs...

i don't think i could ever fully give up drinking alcohol but i can definately deal with drinking less frequently and in smaller amounts

Hey good point. It never occurred to me to not mix drinks with women Why screw up a good drink ?

 

[dymas]

It is not a carcinogen, people do not die from it, it poses very little health risks if used in a proper manner.

okay, you keep bring that part up so I went ahead and did some more google searches. Now I'll be the first to admit google isn't the most scientific way to research but it's too early in the morning to read medical journals

So you keep telling me it's not a carcinogen but where are there medical studies proving this? From what I can find alot of pro-marijuana sites and message posts keep posting this over and over again but show little proof.

I did however find some stuff about it. I apologize for ripping this off another message board but I forget which one I got it from.

Cannabinoids, namely THC-9, are *not* considered carcinogenic according to many scientists who have studied cannabinoids.

Recent news articles refer to the impurities and other materials that are naturally present in cannabis that may cause cancer when consumed via smoking.

Many news writers, and sadly many researchers, don't differentiate between the hazards of cannabinoids, such as THC-9 (virtually none), and the hazards of smoking. Combustion of most materials, including cannabis, will produce potentially toxic byproducts, such as tar; "high-THC" cannabis is actually safer in regards to smoking, since one can smoke less to obtain the same effect.

However, cannabis can be consumed in numerous ways that don't require smoking at all, such as via inhaler (experimental), via vaporizer, cooking in food, or via tinctures.

I found this on same info paralleled on most level-headed pro-marijuana sites. So like I said in my original post, smoking anything is bound to be bad for you regardless of how much or how often you do it.

And since smoking is by far the most effective and quickest way to get marijuana in your system I have to stick to my guns and say that smoking marijuana is bad.

I am completely willing to be open to the fact that marijuana itself isn't that bad for you since I can't find that much medical research on it.

I am however going to stay completely away from the subject of the neurological effects of marijuana because I think that's a whole separate discussion in itself.

 

[leg_press]

K. All I was commenting on is that the guy I know who is REALLY muscular said that alcohol was okay. He only buys the really short say 250ml bottles, in 12's and buy three times as much water with it. He's on a diet of tuna and baked potatoes and stuff

 

[Jodi]

Size does not equal knowledge

 

[gr81]

Alcohol is one of the worst things you can do for your body if your gosl is to gain muscle mass, and to just obtain an overall status of being healthy. You can listen to you buddy who obviously doesn't understand the functions o fthe body or you can go by the facts

 

[Mudge]

If your inhaling any kind of smoke IMO it is not healthy, period.