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I've been consistantly cycling MT1 since Novemer 2004. I am convinced that MT1 gave me gyno. You would not know I have anything unless you felt around.

Can Nova reduce and rid of gyno if it has already begun to form? I'm seeing a doctor on Monday about this, and I started a thread about my little problem.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=45851&page=1&pp=30
 
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For some people, high doses will get rid of it, since there is no more estogen binding to it. Mine didn't go away, it just stopped being sore and didn't get any bigger. Even at doses of 90mg of Tamoxifen Citrate, it was still there. Like yours, you wouldn't be able to tell mine was there unless you felt around. I was told that after my cycle(injectables) was over, that it would go away. If you are stacking with 4Derm, that might be what is giving you the gyno, since it has a certain level of aromatization. You can definately prevent the progression of it with on-cycle Nolva. Did it form during your cycle or post-cycle?
 
By taking the 4/ad, he already had circulating estrogen because of the amount of test that aromatized. That is what aggrivated the progesterone/prolactin allowing gyno to start to form IMO.
 
Hey,
You are all talking about staking many different things while doing M1T. But I'm not sure I get the reasoning behind stacking so much stuff with it?
I would like to do 1 cycle of M1T 2.5mg a day for 2 weeks, and maybe repeating that later.
I don't want to take nothing else with it. Is this dangerous?
What is going to happen to me, if I don't stack nothing with it?

I'm 30, I have been training for 3 years "solid" following a very thigh diet for the whole time. I'm drinking a lot of water, eating 6 times a day, with vitamine and protein supplements. I have done some creatine, but I will stop it when on M1T.
 
The only thing actually "stacked" with it is the 4Derm. All of the other stuff is vitamins for preventative measures. 2.5mg a day isn't going to do shit for you. The lowest dose is 5mg. If I were you, I would do 5mg ED for the first week, then 10mg ED for the second and third week. You would do good to run some HCG with it, too, to keep testicular atrophy from making a guarenteed appearance.
 
But HCG is a lot harder to get. Id recommend focusing more on getting nolva than getting HCG, even though HCG is a great idea as well.

Like PP said - 2.5mg wont do much. Start with 5mg ED and work up as you feel OK. I get the best gains on week 3 (out of a 4 week cycle) so at least do that. Be sure to run PCT and take time off between cycles - M1T wreks havoc on your system.

Good luck.
 
OK Thanks,
I'm going to do 5 mg a day.
2 weeks, I don't want to be shutdown for more then 2 weeks. If I get nothing for this first cycle then I will do something else with the other cycle.
For only 2 weeks I shouldn't have any testicular problem.

I will take AKA as well for the 2 weeks, 1x1000mg pill per meal.
For the PCT I will just do Tribulus and b12. If I feel very drag down maybe I can see my doctor and ask him to precrib me some prosac...
Can my doctor prescrib me some noval?

I'm in Canada, can I get noval over the counter?
Do I really need noval for a 2 weeks cycle?

After reading a lot, I think I would be better off with Test enanthate, looks like there is less side effects, and it's less dangerous for me. What's scares me the most is the injection, I'm just scared to make a mistake while doing it...
How did you guys did it the first time?
Where you scared?
Did you get somebody else to do it for you?
Did you tell your wife? :o)
 
You didn't read much past the first page of this thread, did you? You will be shut down before the first week is over and you will have testicular atrophy at that time. You won't get enough out of a 2 week cycle. Go 3-4 weeks. Secondly, you CANNOT just do tribulus and B12 for post cycle. You have to use Nolva or Clomid.

One thing that you were right about is that you would be better off to run a cycle of real test.
 
I did read the whole thread, and a few other thread and a few web pages, but that shit is not ovious to understand...

Can you show me where I could find information about noval (what to get, how to ingest, when, how much, what it is exactly) ?
 
NOLVA can be found in a research oral suspension on many research chemical sites. http://www.innovative-research.net/aqs.htm is my favorite. Tamoxifen Citrate is the chemical name for it. Dosages for pct are 50/40/30/20mg(starting at 50mg/day for the first week, then dropping by 10mg each week).
 
okok, basicly your saying I should take noval because I will be shot down for too long and I need something to prevent estrogen to get to high in my body during the PCT.

So here is the plan:
1x 5mg M1T for 2 weeks <-- I know it's not much but I don't want to do more.
After That Noval-- How much of it? for How long? When it's liquid I guess you take some drop in your mouth?

I can't believe I could get bitch, from 5 mg for 2 weeks.
 
The gyno comes from your estrogen shooting up during pct because you have no test in your system. It doesn't come directly from the M1T.
 
Ya, YoungD...it is funny for me to read back at all the questions I was asking back in the day. I have learned so much since then and moved on to bigger and harder stuff. Those were some of my first posts here.
 
Purdue Power said:
Ya, YoungD...it is funny for me to read back at all the questions I was asking back in the day. I have learned so much since then and moved on to bigger and harder stuff. Those were some of my first posts here.
Click to expand...
yeah i know, posts like this 1...

Purdue Power said:
So do I start my pct once I stop the M1T or once I stop the 4Derm?
Click to expand...
:D
how innocent! i know i asked plenty of similar questions back then

and look at us now, kickin it with the big boys, lol
 
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the M1t Purdue Journal is really interesting for people who want to try M1T.

Just one thing which seems to me weird is to continue 4Derm after the end of your M1T cycle during 2 weeks. 4 Derm is useful during your cycle, but does it change really something to help you to keep you gain or aanything else?

Isn't it better instead of that to begin directly your pct of nolva?
 
Yes, as corrected later in the journal from the point that you read that, I changed my views and did, in fact, stop the 4Derm at the same time I stopped the M1T and went straight into pct.
 
LOL, this is your eternal thread, Purdue. It is interesting how the best way to learn something is to teach others. I bet you don't miss M1T.
 
It was the best thing that I had tried at that point, but I surely don't miss it now that I have moved on. Screw 3 weeks of M1T....15 week test cycles are more like it.
 
Ok,

I am a 21 year old male who just began working out around 8 months ago. I about 165 pounds with around 11% body fat. My current max is 200 on bench which has gone up from 135 when I began working out. I have done differnet creatine as well as many diffrent protein supplements in the past.

I have thoroughly read this whole post and feel I have gained quite the understading. I Have acces to IDS's m1t. in 10 milligram capsules. Unfortunately I have no access to any 4derm or 4-ad. To my undersanding this is only used for balancing out the negative NONlong term side effects so I should be alright not using it.

I intend to do a 4 week cyle as follows:

Start taking Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection a few days before I start.
Take at least 1000mcg of B12 a day to keep my appetite up.
Take insane amount of Vitamin C daily
Continue taking my multivitamin daily.

Week 1 5mg of m1t
Week 2 10 mg of m1t
week 3 10 mg of m1t
week 4 possibly step up to 15 if not making progess still


I will then do a 4 week PCT of USP TAMOXIFEN CITRATE found here:
http://www.innovative-research.net/aqs.htm
I intend to do 50/40/30/20

Any points tips or things I missed?
Thanks
Mark
 
not bad

Yes I think your training is pretty good but you should begin by 60Mg of Tamoxifen citrate especially if you choose to do 4 weeks with M1T.


According to the expert Purdue Power the master of M1T, he advised me to do that

1st week: 60MG
2nd week: 40MG
3rd week: 20MG
4th week: 20MG

I will begin M1T in November we can compare our experience if you want.

By the way, read all the threads in this post you will learn a lot.
 
The IDS M1T is good stuff, but you have to open the capsule to do less than 10 mg at a time.
My advice:
Start with 10 mg/day.
Don't start until you have more than enough nolva on-hand.
Use the nolva like this 60mg/60/30/30. There is no reason to go below 30 mg/day of tamoxifen citrate.
 
Sounds good. Should I degrees the M1t cycle to just 3 weeks since I"m starting out with 10mg a day instead of 5?
 
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