Am I expecting too much too soon?

[castlehill]

Am I expecting too much?
My first cycle so I am trying to make sure I have a realistic expectation of what to expect.



My cycle is
500ml of Test E for 10 weeks
12.5mg AI (aromasin) of ED was doing EOD but noticed some sensitivity and bloating and panicked lol so I upped it.


I am currently in week 4 (done 7 pins at 250ml) I have had 1 or 2 days where my heart rate raced and have had a little strength bump haven???t noticed much else. Due to the amount I have been eating my BF% has shot up so I am cutting all breads and pasta out of my diet until it comes back down.


I haven???t had any muscle growth and was trying to work out 6-7 days a week figuring that the gear would up the ability of my muscles rebuilding after a workout but have had to back off due to over working them. What I was really expecting was more of a Superman effect in that my muscles would not break down as fast. I have heard of people being able to do 2 a day workouts on gear and I am back to 3 days on 1 off or my muscles get too tired.



I have had zero size gain as of yet, other than about 9lbs of bf due to the calorie increase.
I maybe way of base but thought I would ask the experts.






This is all hypothetical and used only for training purposes

 

[The Prototype]

Give it another week or two. I noticed my test e kicking in as little as 10 days but I'm just starting week 6 and it's slowly gotten stronger each week. Are you using human grade or ugl? You don't have to name the lab but I was just curious. Are you 100% positive the gear is real?

 

[Life]

You're not going to notice anything until week 5 at least. ripped did because he was on dbol. Or tbol, whatever it was.

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

Yeah things should be really starting to kick in around now.

Still though, you should notice a little bit of something. Are you sure your gear is good to go ?

Sometimes AI's can hinder your gains, but your dose doesn't seem very high...
Are you eating enough protein ? I hope I don't have to ask this question....

I would say this week is when you will start noticing changes though bro. Good luck

 

[blazeftp]

Test E is a long ester you wont notice anything until week 4+

Post up your diet and workout just to be sure its ok.

 

[cavtrooper96]

Definitely what these guys said. Week 4-5 some even longer.

 

[vindicated346]

Agreed, when i did my first Test cycle, i was actually weaker the first 2 weeks, b/c it was tapping out my natural test, then about week 5...BOOM! ended up putting on about 30lbs..hang in there

 

[brandon123]

I really didn't notice alot until about week 6. Don't get frustrated. i know it sucks waiting and not knowing what your waiting for.. But here in a few weeks your goin to pick up some heavy weights, start curling, Arms are going to feel pumped to the point of popping, and yet the weight keeps commin up. I loved my first cycle. However i am now a fan of prop. It works fast and i feel like a straight beast in the gym.

 

[bmlax222]

Week 4-6 for me

 

[ROID]

AI's hinder gains.

then again, @ 500mL per week you should at least have gained a pound or two

 

[castlehill]

I mix up my meals a lot in my diet but it goes something like this.
Meal 1, 1+ cup oat meal with raisons & nuts, a fruit
Meal 2, 3 eggs, a meat, toast or tortilla, vegetables
Meal 3, 1-2 cans of tuna, bread, vegetables
After workout protein drink and fruit
Meal 4 & meal 5: a white meat, rice or potato, vegetables



My body fat has shot up but it maybe because I got into my kids ice cream one to many times. It did hit me about a week ago for 2 days and I felt invincible but it went away. I am going to back down on the AI to EOD until I notice a difference.

 

[theCaptn']

Add protein to Meal 1

 

[The Prototype]

^^maybe two eggs with an additional three egg whites

 

[Work IN Progress]

Need to rest homie. Muscles wont grow without rest.
6 days a week is too much iron.

 

[castlehill]

9th pin and still no pump, I really feel nothing other than the nerve I hit in my right cheek this morning lol. Now I have a lump.

 

[BigBird]

There's always the possibility that the stuff you got is under-dosed or worse - complete bunk. But definately give it a good six (6) weeks and you'll know if this is the case. With that being said, I would think you would have gained a few lbs by now though. Hmmmmm.

 

[theBIGness]

I mix up my meals a lot in my diet but it goes something like this.
Meal 1, 1+ cup oat meal with raisons & nuts, a fruit
Meal 2, 3 eggs, a meat, toast or tortilla, vegetables
Meal 3, 1-2 cans of tuna, bread, vegetables
After workout protein drink and fruit
Meal 4 & meal 5: a white meat, rice or potato, vegetables



My body fat has shot up but it maybe because I got into my kids ice cream one to many times. It did hit me about a week ago for 2 days and I felt invincible but it went away. I am going to back down on the AI to EOD until I notice a difference.

idk what your weight is but i eat that much in about 3 meals. if your gear is legit then its your diet every time. im 6'1 260lbs about 12-14% bf at the moment. add 1000-2000 good calories, lean meat, sweet potato, oats, olive oil or peanut butter per day for a week and weigh again.

 

[XYZ]

Am I expecting too much?
My first cycle so I am trying to make sure I have a realistic expectation of what to expect.



My cycle is
500ml of Test E for 10 weeks
12.5mg AI (aromasin) of ED was doing EOD but noticed some sensitivity and bloating and panicked lol so I upped it.


I am currently in week 4 (done 7 pins at 250ml) I have had 1 or 2 days where my heart rate raced and have had a little strength bump haven???t noticed much else. Due to the amount I have been eating my BF% has shot up so I am cutting all breads and pasta out of my diet until it comes back down.


I haven???t had any muscle growth and was trying to work out 6-7 days a week figuring that the gear would up the ability of my muscles rebuilding after a workout but have had to back off due to over working them. What I was really expecting was more of a Superman effect in that my muscles would not break down as fast. I have heard of people being able to do 2 a day workouts on gear and I am back to 3 days on 1 off or my muscles get too tired.



I have had zero size gain as of yet, other than about 9lbs of bf due to the calorie increase.
I maybe way of base but thought I would ask the experts.






This is all hypothetical and used only for training purposes

Give it a little more time.

FYI - You're REALLY over training. 4 days a week is enough, you can't grow if you keep breaking yourself down. Patience.

With everything spot on and if this is your first cycle then 15-18lbs is possible, but everyone is different. All of that weight won't be LBM though. Good luck.

 

[castlehill]

Thanks for the info, I never thought I might me over training.
Patience has never been something I am good at.

 

[cavtrooper96]

Probly just a slow responder. It took me over 600mg and 6 weeks for mine to kick in. I was feeling a little but to really kick... I just have always had a high tolerance to all PH/DS/AAS. I always have to take the higher of dosing and it always kicks in later than everyone else. Everyone is different.

 

[Glycomann]

It still sunrises me how guys can vary so much in response time and response dose. I guy I know that has been natural to 28 recently started a cycle of 500 mg equipoise and 300 mg test. He's in week 6 and is just starting to get pumps and hyper recovery. Now this guy is 180 at 5'7" with no more than7% BF natural and squats and deads in mid 500s and benched 375 all natural. Kid looks like he could be a top National competitor if he put on 50 lbs. I thought he would respond like crazy on almost anything given his God given genetics. I'm just shocked that he hasn't put on 15 lbs by now.

 

[stronger4ever]

Thanks for the info, I never thought I might me over training.
Patience has never been something I am good at.

Yeah bro, even with gear you can over train. I think instead of working out more you need to work out less but more intensely. My second cycle I eat 1000-1500 calories less a day and I gained weight as fast as the first time. I started working out 2 days on, 1 day off. Much better workouts and results. I follow the Dorian Yates layout for workout. I used to do Arnold's and it's a lot harder to grow working out 6 times a week. If you are addicted to working out like I am, you can always leave abs and cardio for the days "off".

 

[SloppyJ]

I follow the Dorian Yates layout for workout.

I get a boner every time I watch Blood and Guts. D Yates is a beast.

 

[castlehill]

I have put on 6 lbs but not lean muscle plus I have had some strength increase so there is some response. If I don't get any pump or hyper-recovery by week 7 I am going to up the dose to 700ml a week. Right now my body is exhausted and I am taking a couple days off.
I am addicted to training so I am going to take the advice and do cardio and abs on other days so I don't train more than 4 days a week. My elbows will appreciate the reduced training days I think.

Just watched some of D. Yates stuff and looked at his work out and compared to what he says I am way over training.

 

[stronger4ever]

Yeah bro that's going to work much better. Remember to stimulate, not annihilate.

 

[cavtrooper96]

Remember to stimulate, not annihilate.

My wife says that sometimes! HAhaha

 

[SloppyJ]

She told me that also! ^

Small world.