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And this is what happens when labor unions go away.

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LAM said:
LOL... to date the number of highly cited economic reports from conservative economists numbers 0 in the past 40 years. Now I wonder why that is. the number of Nobel prize winning conservative economists equals 0.
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Oh LAM, your Google Foo has failed you. The list you are refering to have the following names besides Friedman: Gary Becker, Robert Lucas, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott and Myron Scholes. All conservative all alive and got thier awards in the last 30 years or so.

Lam I honestly hope you get a job so you would have something to do with yourself other than waste your time Googling shit to prove yourself right. I am concerned about you son. If Google ever shut down, you would be suicidal.
 
Big Smoothy said:
jay_steel,

That depends.

I worked with union workers who could be fire for wearing the wrong color shirt.

It depends on the situation. Yes, some/many union member cannot be fired, but many can be.
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i was reading your signature, how come jack lew is not arrested and tried for perjury? he was lying under oath.



nice weather uh?
 
Swiper said:
i was reading your signature, how come jack lew is not arrested and tried for perjury? he was lying under oath.
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I don't know.

He's a bankster gangster.



nice weather uh?
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Weather is OK. I'm in Seattle now, heading to South America next week.
 
Swfl said:
i'm stupid just ask LAM
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the only intelligent and accurate post I've seen you make in years.

quite frankly there is not one single economic report in existence written by economists inside or outside the US that points the finger at unions being a problem or causing negative effects on the US economy in the or any other country in the world.

there is simply no historical or empirical data that supports your anti-union rhetoric, that being the case it's obvious your "viewpoints" are based purely on ideology.
 
<AM, why don't you take off the Mao glasses and take a hard look. Unions have become huge bloated bureaucracies. They support immigration reform so they can get those people in the unions for thier dues. Take a look at the pay scales of the heads of the top unions and you will see in many cases they make as much as CEO's of major corporations. However, they are not generating wealth, they are taking it from the people's dues. I have been in unions, I deal with a union almost daily. These guys are just as political and corrupt as the companies they are "protecting" the workers from.
 
Former SEIU boss found guilty of ripping off low wage earning union members.

A four-year long investigation after allegations of union dues going to pay for vacations, his wedding, and some expensive golf outings, led the IRS, the FBI, and U.S. Department of Labor to uncover fraud to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. Freeman, who earned some $200,000 per year, was also found to have been redirecting funds from Local 6434 into his personally led California United Homecare Workers union.

While giving himself raises, he was doing it off of the backs of union workers being paid $9 and hour.



http://gaslamppost.wordpress.com/20...f-ripping-off-low-wage-earning-union-members/

lol.
 
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where your cheap shit at walmart comes from.
 
LCSULLA said:
Labor Unions...bah. They had their time in the sun, but many if them overplayed their hand. Look at the auto industry. You needed to pay some guy 90k...in Detroit, to screw bolts on to a car. An their negotiated retirement was perfect...for 1965. But nobody thought those old fucks would live to be 90 and spend more years in retirement then in the workforce.
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Lets take a look at the union auto industry.......



[h=1]UAW Union Bosses Abusing Positions for Pay[/h][h=2][/h]By: Warner Todd Huston

TV News 4 in Detroit did an excellent expose on a few union bosses that routinely rip off the unions and the auto makers they work for with fake time cards and paid for but unworked overtime pay.
One of the bosses, Ron Seroka, a union job security officer, takes off half a day nearly everyday to go home to lounge around the house while he is on the clock. Seroka punches in at the plant at 6AM every single day and is home by 11:30 AM for some nice leisure time at home. Yet he gets a steady 10 hours pay every single day despite the fact that he is rarely at work.
Seroka?s union boss is even worse. Union chairman Jim Modzelewski buys beer on a daily basis while on the clock and clocks himself in for overtime pay hours before he even wakes up to go into the plant. TV 4 found that after he punches in, he typically leaves for a beer run mere hours later. Again, all this is on a daily basis. He is also paid overtime pay on a daily basis as he sits home drinking his daily beer. With over 2,500 hours of overtime, Modzelewski made a six-figure salary last year. TV 4 also discovered that Modzelewski even played in a bowling tournament while on the clock ? as at overtime pay, too!

Together, just these two union chiefs clocked in over 3,500 hours of overtime pay for the year. Makes one wonder how many union bosses are abusing their positions this way, doesn?t it?
The TV news also briefly interviewed an auto business expert that says in the last ten years one in three American union auto workers would not show up to work on any given day while foreign auto plants would see 98 out of 100 of their workers dutifully show up for work. Makes it a bit hard to plan on a work force in the US with unions in control, doesn?t it?
This report is just one more example of how auto workers unions are one of the big reasons that American auto plants are ineffectual, inefficient, and cannot compete with foreign makers. Not only that, but it reveals that union bosses have no accountability and flaunt their criminal and immoral actions with impunity wasting millions of dollars as they do it.
UAW Union Bosses Abusing Positions for Pay | RedState

 
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yea and a judge just went to jail for selling teens to prisons for profit.... doesn't mean the whole legal system is bad or all judges are corrupt. try again.
 
DOMS said:
Not only is the cop beating him, but so is the civilian.

The cop looks like he weights a buck, fifty. Shitty-ass motherfucker. I'd like a turn at him. See how he likes his scrawny ass beaten by someone that weighs 70 pounds more.

Are those pakis or the curry-smelling Indians?
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garment workers strike in dhaka, bangladesh.
 
dogsoldier said:
<AM, why don't you take off the Mao glasses and take a hard look. Unions have become huge bloated bureaucracies. They support immigration reform so they can get those people in the unions for thier dues. Take a look at the pay scales of the heads of the top unions and you will see in many cases they make as much as CEO's of major corporations. However, they are not generating wealth, they are taking it from the people's dues. I have been in unions, I deal with a union almost daily. These guys are just as political and corrupt as the companies they are "protecting" the workers from.
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so instead of fixing the unions you do away with them and you know what you end up with? the country in the OECD that has the highest percentage of low paid workers out of all other wealthy industrialized country's at 25% of the total labor force and the country that off-shores the most jobs and a work force where 50% of workers are only part-time. the US has off-shored 6-8x the amount of jobs as the entire EU15 combined. why because nobody is there to stand up for labor in the US anymore.

when wages stagnated in the US in the 80's which started with the PATCO strike. those productivity gains were funneled up the ladder and fueled the rapid growth of the US financial sector. where those monies where then lent back down to those at the bottom and middle to fuel excess consumption.

that's what having a low union density at only 13% of the workforce gets you in reality.

the country's in the EU with much high labor union density rates at 50-80% of the total workforce have smaller financial sectors, more stable economy's and only off-shore a fraction of the number of manufacturing jobs as the US.
 
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A fire in a garment factory there left more than a hundred workers dead in November; a supplier had subcontracted work to the factory without Walmart's knowledge... suuuureeee.
 
big fucking deal. low prices are made on the backs of slaves. corporations like walmart love to pay as little as possible and they could give a shit less about the workers safety or human rights. educate yourself.
 
Little Wing said:
big fucking deal. low prices are made on the backs of slaves. corporations like walmart love to pay as little as possible and they could give a shit less about the workers safety or human rights. educate yourself.
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ha ha. you were not being truthful, you lied.



I'm just fuckin with ya.
 
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if you look back at US history there are many times when tensions got so high between management and labor that numerous people were killed right here at home. i think we are headed there again.
 
IronAddict said:
It's surprising to me how many people have been talked into believing that getting rid of unions is actually a good thing.

Maybe we should all work weekends, let's give back fair wages and relative equality, bring back child labor (remember hearing this by a guy in a certain parrty)? Let's not forget Unions helped negotiate the 1st healthcare from employers ( what party doesn't want you to have any coverage ? Maybe we shouldn't get any piss breaks or lunch breaks.

Shoot yourselves in the foot, leave me be.
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it's the standard talking point of the low wage conservatives. only those at the bottom are earning too much while those at the top earn every single penny. the want to keep the status quo because in reality the people at the bottom of the income ladder don't look like them in the mirror. politics and economics in the US have always been about race.

it's funny to see them bitch about the effects of policy that they champion for which funnels wealth up the ladder when the #1 method of decreasing poverty is to stop paying people poverty wages.
 
Swiper said:
ha ha. you were not being truthful, you lied.



I'm just fuckin with ya.
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i'm not so much saying walmart as the ability to buy stuff really cheap in the US. it was a garment worker's strike after deaths in a factory walmart was being investigated as one of the people having clothes made there. they had proven jc penney n several others. we do not allow these atrocities in our neighborhoods but support them by buying slave made shit every damn day.... out of sight out of mind. i would rather pay more for stuff made here. i would rather not give a cent to any company that can't support THIS country by building here, hiring here, and paying fucking taxes here.

the unions disappearing and the middle class disappearing.... is there a connection?
 
Little Wing said:
i'm not so much saying walmart as the ability to buy stuff really cheap in the US. it was a garment worker's strike after deaths in a factory walmart was being investigated as one of the people having clothes made there. they had proven jc penney n several others. we do not allow these atrocities in our neighborhoods but support them by buying slave made shit every damn day.... out of sight out of mind. i would rather pay more for stuff made here. i would rather not give a cent to any company that can't support THIS country by building here, hiring here, and paying fucking taxes here.

the unions disappearing and the middle class disappearing.... is there a connection?
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I agree. even though its legal what they do its an atrocity and I don't support it. not much we can do but protest against it, expose them and not shop at those stores.
the pics are absolutely heart breaking,
 
we need to trade apathy for empathy. if enough people simply looked around their house and just flat out refused to buy the shit that supports this we could change this country. purchasing power is an unbelievable power and we all have it. people should feel ashamed to buy things tainted with exploitation or to shop in any shop where the owner is rich and the people doing the work need food stamps....
 
Little Wing said:
big fucking deal. low prices are made on the backs of slaves. corporations like walmart love to pay as little as possible and they could give a shit less about the workers safety or human rights. educate yourself.
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Just FYI, but Walmat doesn't actually make anything. Even their "Great Value" brand products are made by someone else.
 
DOMS said:
Just FYI, but Walmat doesn't actually make anything. Even their "Great Value" brand products are made by someone else.
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like any grocers store brand is made by someone else...
 
As for unions...

I don't believe for a second that, generally speaking, unions drag companies down. A lot of companies that have unions bitch about how the unions are costing some outrageous number of cost...but, the companies still manage to turn out millions, if not billions, in profits.

Even though businesses with unions that did tank, such as some of the automotive companies, didn't tank because of unions. Rather, they tanked because of poor business decisions. The US auto manufactuerers were pumping out millions of gas-guzzling SUVs leading up the explosion of gas prices. Their lack of foresight, and the momentum of manufacturing, buried them. The execs were pretty damn quick to blame the unions, though. The unions didn't take pay cuts, but the auto companies are now turning a profit. What saved those companies was the government keeping them afloat through their poor business decisions. If the unions were what was really killing those companies, they'd still be dying.

Then there's the Hostess failure. The company blamed the closing of the company on the unions because they wouldn't take pay cuts. The execs mismanaged the company into the ground and then wanted the workers to take a pay cut for it. And this was while the CEO gave himself a over a 300% pay increase -- from $750,000 to $2,550,000.

Are unions really the -- or a -- problem? Hell no.
 
i had a friend that was a vietnam vet and obviously had ptsd. he worked with a contractor and a guy he thought of as a close friend for 15 years. the business owner took out money for ss for 15 years and never turned it over to ss he stole it. the worker never found out until he tried to get unemployment. can you imagine how much that sucked? his issues manifested themselves as social anxiety etc so he just sucked up the theft like a roundhouse kick to the sternum and kept working for the guy. he'd looked into unemployment cuz the owner was late with paychecks a lot.
 
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