Andriol stacked with S1+??

[tk...]

A couple of friends of mine have been using andriol for the past couple of weeks and have reported gains. With the low dosages that they are taking i am almost sure that their gains are attributed to the increase in hunger andriol is known to give.

I know that andriol is very weak and hated by juicers, but this is NOT the area of concern.

Despite the fact that it is very weak, doctors recommend andriol to male patients with natural occuring deficiencies when producing low test. levels

My friends have told me that they can feel and see the increase in test. Their testis have become huge: "rugby balls". and during their self-manipulation at night, the amount of cum have increased dramatically. (lets keep this mature plz..). hard wood all day is very common.

The point of this all, is that i have a stack of s1+ waiting to be used, but i have a small fear of testicular shrinkage and possibility of slight depression with my post cycle with 6-oxo. SO, by using andriol while on my ph cycle, would it conteract some of the sides?

am sure that nobody out there has done this, but does it make any sense? One way or the other i am gonna do it, but i would love to have some input from u guys....

let me know

 

[gopro]

Andriol (test undecanoate) is a pretty weak steroid, but for some seems to provide decent gains, but rarely when taken on its own (unless very high doses are used). However, for the purposes you speak of...to help with some of the possible sides that occur with 1-test use...it could be of help. Andriol does not affect the HPTA very much and its aromatization is low. It very well could boost your gains quite a bit and stave off sides.

Keep us posted.

 

[prolangtum]

no it will not do a thing to prevent PC testicular shrinkage or depression

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by prolangtum
no it will not do a thing to prevent PC testicular shrinkage or depression

By the way tk, I agree with this...I was referring to the often complained about lethargy, loss of appetite, and lowered libido. As for the nuts...almonds are good.

 

[tk...]

Originally posted by gopro
By the way tk, I agree with this...I was referring to the often complained about lethargy, loss of appetite, and lowered libido. As for the nuts...almonds are good.

so, in other words, the androgenic effects from 1-test is greater than the rugby balls effect of andriol


why is this....i would of thought that with both hormones stacked together it would at least cancel each other off.

i would really like to know why

 

[Arnold]

1-test is not very androgenic at all, but does cause lethargy and loss of libido.

 

[tk...]

Originally posted by Prince
1-test is not very androgenic at all, but does cause lethargy and loss of libido.

the 4ad in s1+ should take care of that though...at least partially.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by tk...
the 4ad in s1+ should take care of that though...at least partially.

yes, it does.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by tk...
so, in other words, the androgenic effects from 1-test is greater than the rugby balls effect of andriol


why is this....i would of thought that with both hormones stacked together it would at least cancel each other off.

i would really like to know why

Actually, I have never heard of anyone getting shrunken testicles from 1-test...similarly, I have never heard of anyone getting larger testicles from Andriol.

 

[tk...]

Originally posted by gopro
By the way tk, I agree with this...

why is that you all agree that is wont influence the testis while on a ph cycle and depression....my friends are reporting massive rugby balls, i fail to see how exactly this wont continue during a ph cycle, or at least cancel each other off since , like prince said, the àndrogenic effect of 1-test is pretty poor...

 

[tk...]

Originally posted by gopro
Actually, I have never heard of anyone getting shrunken testicles from 1-test...similarly, I have never heard of anyone getting larger testicles from Andriol.

u should meeet my friends , they wouldnt lie to me about something like that..

andriol is prescribed by doctors for those with problem producing natural test.. Theoretically, it should increase testicles size

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by tk...
u should meeet my friends , they wouldnt lie to me about something like that..

andriol is prescribed by doctors for those with problem producing natural test.. Theoretically, it should increase testicles size

Even if it doesn't affect HPTA very much, depending on dosage and the length of time taking it, it will still affect your natural test production. And that will cause testicle swrinkage over time, not increase it.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by tk...
u should meeet my friends , they wouldnt lie to me about something like that..

andriol is prescribed by doctors for those with problem producing natural test.. Theoretically, it should increase testicles size

Theoretically, no not really my friend. Think about it this way...what happens to a muscle when it is not trained (stimulated)? It shrinks. So, if the body is getting exogeneous testosterone than the testes will not be producing any of their own...they will not be "training" and therefore will stay small.

What has happened with your friends I cannot explain.

 

[tk...]

u guys are "gang banging my ass"

i will try and hold my own.
i have been searching for some sort of valuable medical feedback that would help me prove my point.

First and for most, the issue of testis. After reading many article on andriol i have yet to find one that would indicate that it would indeed have a positve growth span on testis, but yet the opposite is also true. Since the half life of andriol is very short and that it has a very poor bioavailability, testis are unaffected at 3 to 6 capsules a day(varies from person to person).

At those levels, a simple anti-e can repair the natural test. level. Nolva or clomid is not necessary for andriol.

Now on the issue of depression, i managed to find the following which i found very intersting:

"Use for Depression

Depression is an area where the average BB might find Andriol useful. It has been shown from the work done on hypogonadal men that (subject to dose) Andriol relieves, and indeed can eliminate, the depression induced by low serum T levels. Given that many BB suffer, among other things, from depression and low natural testosterone level when coming off a heavy AS cycle, Andriol could have a role as a heavy cycle taper. There are also indications that Andriol relieves depression in males with normal testosterone levels. Of course, Andriol is an expensive anti-depressant; St. John's Wort works for many just as well and is cheaper. "

 

[Arnold]

I think we need bandaidwoman to reply here...

 

[tk...]

whats funny about this whole topic is

1) that i cant find any proof of the claims made by my buddies.

2) just because andriol is a "roid" ( the weakest of them all), most ppl assume small testis. Where is fact, if my own testis would shrink it would most probably be due to the s1+ which in this case is alot more stronger, higher sides, and better gains than andriol.

now a days, some ph's are stronger than even the weaker of the roids. This, in my opinion, is an example of just that.

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by tk...

Since the half life of andriol is very short and that it has a very poor bioavailability, testis are unaffected at 3 to 6 capsules a day(varies from person to person).

At those levels, a simple anti-e can repair the natural test. level. Nolva or clomid is not necessary for andriol.

Depression is an area where the average BB might find Andriol useful. It has been shown from the work done on hypogonadal men that (subject to dose) Andriol relieves, and indeed can eliminate, the depression induced by low serum T levels. Given that many BB suffer, among other things, from depression and low natural testosterone level when coming off a heavy AS cycle, Andriol could have a role as a heavy cycle taper. There are also indications that Andriol relieves depression in males with normal testosterone levels. Of course, Andriol is an expensive anti-depressant; St. John's Wort works for many just as well and is cheaper. "

Half life and bioavailability have nothing to do with suppression of HPTA(except that it would suppress more if the oral bio was higher)

I disagree with the anti-e statement. Anti-E's prevent compounds from aromatizing. It will not raise test levels like other substances.

Depression is mental. Suppression is physical. The role spoken here of cycle taper means "on cycle" to me. Not Post cycle.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by tk...
u guys are "gang banging my ass"

i will try and hold my own.
i have been searching for some sort of valuable medical feedback that would help me prove my point.

First and for most, the issue of testis. After reading many article on andriol i have yet to find one that would indicate that it would indeed have a positve growth span on testis, but yet the opposite is also true. Since the half life of andriol is very short and that it has a very poor bioavailability, testis are unaffected at 3 to 6 capsules a day(varies from person to person).

At those levels, a simple anti-e can repair the natural test. level. Nolva or clomid is not necessary for andriol.

Now on the issue of depression, i managed to find the following which i found very intersting:

"Use for Depression

Depression is an area where the average BB might find Andriol useful. It has been shown from the work done on hypogonadal men that (subject to dose) Andriol relieves, and indeed can eliminate, the depression induced by low serum T levels. Given that many BB suffer, among other things, from depression and low natural testosterone level when coming off a heavy AS cycle, Andriol could have a role as a heavy cycle taper. There are also indications that Andriol relieves depression in males with normal testosterone levels. Of course, Andriol is an expensive anti-depressant; St. John's Wort works for many just as well and is cheaper. "

This is all well and good, but it still will not grow bigger balls, LOL!

 

[tk...]

Originally posted by dg806
I disagree with the anti-e statement. Anti-E's prevent compounds from aromatizing. It will not raise test levels like other substances.

Depression is mental. Suppression is physical. The role spoken here of cycle taper means "on cycle" to me. Not Post cycle.

what i meant by anti-e, was in the area of 6-oxo that will raise natural test levels. Not just a regular anti-e, sorry for not being specific.

You give an interesting point on the whole depression and supression issue. Although i personally was never really convince about its abilities as a post cycle, i just found it interesting to post. But good points dg.

 

[tk...]

Originally posted by gopro
This is all well and good, but it still will not grow bigger balls, LOL!

ahahahaha..

i still cant explain it. My buds are a little out of wack if u ask me.


am still gonna stack the andriol with s1+ since i already bought it. All keep u posted.

man i love this site. God bless IM and its members, where else could i have got this type of info...

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by tk...
what i meant by anti-e, was in the area of 6-oxo that will raise natural test levels. Not just a regular anti-e, sorry for not being specific.

You give an interesting point on the whole depression and supression issue. Although i personally was never really convince about its abilities as a post cycle, i just found it interesting to post. But good points dg.

It pays to be sure what you mean. Not picking on you, but there are so many substances that are meant for different things. I've been guilty myself Yes, 6-oxo is not considered an anti-e.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by dg806
It pays to be sure what you mean. Not picking on you, but there are so many substances that are meant for different things. I've been guilty myself Yes, 6-oxo is not considered an anti-e.

What do you consider 6-OXO to be?

 

[SJ69]

It's just common sense, really.

 

[SJ69]

BTW, WTF cares about nut size? Really. You might hear a chic say "He's got a great tool" or "His pecker is sooo small !!!"
BUT, I don't think you'll ever hear a chic sayin "He has no body, but his nuts are huge!!and that's all that matters"
Seriously. Nut size? Who cares?
If you add Test your body knows it (duh) and knows it should stop making it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. We've been through this before.

 

[SJ69]

RE : 6-OXO Just go to the Ergo_pharm web site, or read the bottle and believe it or not. I don't think there is any conclusive, independant studies either way, but ergo has a good rep and should want to keep it. That said, Tamoxafin is still cheaper, and we it works, at least in some cases.

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by gopro
What do you consider 6-OXO to be?

I should have added "during a cycle" to the end of my statement.
I think 6-oxo works better at not allowing the body to synthesize estrogen after a cycle to allow test levels to raise higher than estrogen levels. I think for during a cycle, to prevent estrogen from aromatising compounds, something with 4 hydroxyandrostenedione(like formastat/aromazap) works better.
I have never used 6-oxo during a cycle, always post cycle. And I don't know anyone who has?? I just think of anti-E as a during cycle supp, even though 6-oxo is an anti-e.

 

[tk...]

Originally posted by SJ69
BTW, WTF cares about nut size? Really. You might hear a chic

It's more of a psychological thing then anything else. I just like to know that all my sexual functions are operating properly, which includes nuts. But thats just my 2 cent...

now for the update:

my first day, i decided to use only s1+. I felt the pumps and saw the results in the gym. I went from max flat dumbell press of 95 pounds 4 reps, to 105 pounds 6 reps. Not bad for my first day.

Sides: on my first day, i felt pretty lazy. And a slight headache. Nuts where ok, since i am watching them very carefully. Only thing a can complain about is maybe a very slight soarness, but that can be attributed to other factors.

my second day, i felt the same degree of laziness and the headaches got worse. I automatically decided to take one pill of andriol. And man did it ever work well. All symptoms were gone, and i mean all. No more headaches, lethargy, and no slighlty soar nuts...

i might sound gay, but they feel alot better. Which leads me to wonder alot about what my buds told me earlier. I know it defies all logic, but am living proof and so are 3 other people i know.

its mind blowing....... ,

 

[plouffe]

After PCT I believe your testi's get bigger / to normal size.

 

[tk...]

well, am using andriol during my cycle, and i feel great. Testis are back to normal at full strength. Pretty incredible is you as me.

 

[SonOfThor]

Could you please post some before/after pictures of your testes so that we can judge for ourselves? Thanks. Measurements in cubic centimeters would be nice, but not necessary.

One of my teachers had one of his balls grow to the size of a softball he told me... Turns out it was cancer!