Andro lean/Hard 4 week blast

[HereToStudy]

I'm glad your following Heretostudy. When this is over I could use your advice. Though I can't inject and my access to PH is relatively limited. You seem to have learned a lot about running cycles.
(I live in Japan and injecting here is punishable just like it is in the US... cept as a foreigner they will probably give me FULL punishment and not even let me have a lawyer).

Anything you need, feel free to ask. Anything I don't know, I can check with one of the other team members for what is ideal.

...on the other note, you are right. This sport is primarily made in the kitchen, but most guys just want the shortcut and none of the dedication.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Makes me wonder about PCT haha. i'm a less is more kinda guy when it comes to supps. (Though I must say I take a vast array of supps) I'm wondering if I should skip the Torem and save my liver (I hear most serms shouldn't be run all that often) go with my OTC plan and then hit up another cycle.

You advised on running MDrol with AndroHard. Wouldn't that cause MEAN suppression? I read that androgenic compounds usually cause the most shutdown, while Mdrol, though mostly anabolic, causes crazy estrogenic sides...i'm just wondering if combining them would be the best idea... thought the gyno blocking from androhard is nice, i'm just wondering if covering all my bases while on cycle will screw me hard when I come off...

Just saw this. Superdrol, imo, causes very fast shutdown. Eric has mentioned before that superdrol has the same type of Estrogen Receptor affinity as Anadrol, so I'm going to assume that that is why. Androgens really don't shut you down very hard, estrogen or something that activates the receptor will do it much worse and much faster.

 

[mattrag]

7/2/2011


Food intake: (Maint)

400g chicken breast
400g Pork chops
100g chicken thigh

500g rice
150g potato

Protein: 300 Fat: 110g Carbs: 400g



Workout: (Power)*

(PR)Bench Press: 295(5,4,5)
Bent over row db: 105 (6)X2 ,
Standing military: 185 (5,4), SS: concentration curl: 25lbs*
CG bench: 205 (5)X2
Deadlift 265(5)X2
Squats 295 (5) x2

Workout time: 1hr 30 minutes*
Workout Notes: Strong today. Good today haha. Carb load went extremely well. Weighted around 91kgs in the morning, only 1kg up from the carb preload day.

Notes:*

Aggressionretty baseline. Normal

Libido: Man I wanted to tap anything that moved.

Strength: Okay today was SUPER strong. Haha. I really think the andro hard is kicking in full strength. I wanna run Mdrol too... as I will be coming out of this ???cut??? in 1-2 weeks and switching to the UD2 geared to gaining mass... though I'm not 100% sure what I should do. I know one thing though, I am going to need more weights at home...

Pumps: All sat and most of sunday I was pretty pumped all day.

Mood: Today I was noticeably more irritable.*

Sleep: Judo wrecked my neck, and my sleep too.

Side Effects: Nothing bad haha.

Overall: I'm liking hard, but like I said my temperature has not even passed 98 degrees this whole cycle. So i'm not sure if androlean raises resting metabolic rate or at least I know it doesnt' raise body temperature.

Appetite: This carb up went well. Rice and potatoes. SOOO GOOD hahaha. To think the BIG bodybuilders eat this much plus more meat everyday ??? damn...

 

[Rodja]

There are very few things that are more gratifying than setting a big PR.

 

[mattrag]

There are very few things that are more gratifying than setting a big PR.

YES~!!
I like being strong. haha

Rodja, you are a paleo dieter right? with the potatoes/starch for carb.
What are your views on white rice? I know Chris Kresser (the healthy skeptic) says that the white rice is better and carries no anti nutrients. Just curious as I am trying to dive into more micro nutrients and hormone signalling of food sources.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Strength: Okay today was SUPER strong. Haha. I really think the andro hard is kicking in full strength.

Nice!

 

[mattrag]

6/28/2011


Food intake: (VLCD cals)

1.2kg Chicken breast
200g steak

brocolli
290g P, 16g C, 30g Fat

Notes: Today food was okay, appetite back a bit lol.
Workout: (depletion)



Bench Press : 165lbs X3 (20)
CG Bench press: 135X2 (20)
Bent over row: 165lbs X3 (20) SS SLDL: 165lbs X3 (15)
Military press: 95lbs X2 (20)
Squat: 185lbs X3 (15) SS single legged calf raises

Reverse grip bench: 125X3 (20),
Tricep Ext: bands X2 (25) SS: Concentration Curls 20lbs X2 (20)
One arm EZbar modified row: 70lbs X3(20)SS: SLDL: 165lbs X3 (12)
Upright row: Wide,med,narrow 65lbs X2 (12,12,12)
One legged squats: 95lbs X2 (20), Wide Squat 185X1 (20)


Notes:*

Workout was better than last week. I’m thinking had a good carb up, Sunday I didn’t get to eat as much as I wanted, but go the protein in.

Aggression: To be honest I think my aggression has been constantly rising. I didn’t take into account irritability. As I would usually make excuses for people as to why they are being so stupid when it comes to exercise/nutrition, now I just flat out tell them… Before I’d worry about how they felt about it, now I am like… man… if you don’t wanna do it leave, I don’t need that shit in my gym. Haha.
Libido: Still elevated. I am amazed to say shut down is definitely not here. I am kinda worried as to the androgenic sides not showing up.. I have not once had oily skin, acne, or hairloss… only aggression.

Strength: Noticeably stronger, I was able to push out reps with authority lol.
Pumps: Strong pumps today, harder throughout the day too.

Mood: Irritable. For sure.

Sleep: Great sleep last night and the night before.
Side Effects: Hair still okay, or not noticeable. Good indeed good.
Overall: Great! Like I said though, I’m not so convinced androlean does much for this type of diet. I like the androhard though. I think androlean would be great in a VLCD, doing 20-40mins of walking a day coupled with some non glycolythic type workload 2-3x a week. Hitting full body both times or a Push/Pull type deal.

 

[Rodja]

AL shines during a big (~1000) caloric deficit, but it's really hard to keep that up for an extended period of time.

 

[mattrag]

7/5/2011


Food intake: (VLCD cals)

1kg Chicken breast
200g steak

brocolli
240g P, 16g C, 28g Fat

Notes: Today food was okay, appetite back a bit lol.
Workout: (depletion)



Bench Press : 165lbs X3 (20)
CG Bench press: 135X2 (20)
Bent over 1arm EZbar row: 85lbs X3 (20) SS SLDL: 165lbs X3 (15)
Military press: 95lbs X2 (20)
Squat: 185lbs X3 (15) SS single legged calf raises

Reverse grip bench: 125X3 (20),
Tricep Ext: bands X2 (25) SS: Concentration Curls 20lbs X2 (20)
Bent over row: 165lbs X3(15)SS: SLDL: 165lbs X3 (12)
Shrugs 245lbs X3 (20)
One legged squats: 95lbs X1 (20), Wide Squat 185X2 (20)


Notes:*

Workout was good, protein is high enough for activity I think.

Aggression: Irritation levels high.
Libido: It’s odd, NOW I’m experiencing more of the sides I associate with being on cycle. I am tired more, but during weight lifting I’m extremely focused, not having much want for anything but liftin weights, libido going down the drain. And the boys are looking like someone forgot to put out the feed.

Strength: Strength is in.
Pumps: Strong pumps today, harder throughout the day.

Mood: Irritable. For sure.

Sleep: Sleeping better.
Side Effects: Hair still okay, noticed some falling out but nothing that noticeable for me… but I don’t got much left to lose lol. Noticed a pimple on my forhead but a REALLY small one. Seeing this cycle didn’t give me any acne, oily skin, or pimples I’d say this is pretty ridiculous.

Overall: Strength is good. I think androhard’s recomp ability is more what I am interested in than the androleans starvation thing. I’d rather train intensely then just do a more strength/maint type training. Just personal preference.

 

[mattrag]

Man i'm on like day 25? And now EVERYTHING is starting to hit hard. Full on pumps all day, feeling confident, strong, noticed hair shedding, noticed balls kinda not re inflating after "usage". But it's all worth it. Veins too are definitely more visible. I might actually continue this cycle

 

[mattrag]

7/7/2011


Food intake: (pre carb load)

400g chicken breast

100g brocolli

Protein: 100 Fat: 10g Carbs: 4g*

(Carb load 1200g carbs over the next 30hrs)*

Workout: (tension)*

(PR)Bench Press: 255 (8),275 (10) SS: concentration curl: 25lbs*
Bent over row 245 (6) X2 : Deadlift 245(2), 245(8)
Standing military: 135 (15), 155 (12) SS: (PR)Mod 1arm row: 125lbs*(8) X3
Band push downs: (12)x2
Squat: 245(12)X2 SS: Single leg BW calf raises
Workout time: 1hr 30 minutes*
Workout Notes: SUPER STRONG. But I died out at the end. My squat numbers went down. I think my knees are really getting the short end of this cycle. Both deadlifts and squats, I noticed my knees kinda burning throughout the whole lift.

Notes:*

Aggression: Up in the weights, and pretty much up all day.

Libido: Up. Haha, man. hhahah

Strength: Up, but I really think I can handle more.*Just the joints are giving me problems.

Pumps: Pumps were good on wednesday, today I fell kinda flat. But I was pretty pumped today.

Mood: aggressive.

Sleep: Sleep was okay, was pretty tired.*

Side Effects: Hair kinda shedding, balls kinda feeling it now, but then again towards the night they fill up. Haha. No pain.



Appetite: Surprisingly it has been down lately, I think it's that i'm eating a lot cleaner these past few weeks and my body is finding the right amounts of micronutrients to grow and get rid of some fat.

Overall: Good stuff. I’m pretty happy.*

 

[Good Grip]

Good notes bro, I definatly like hearing the effects of a prolonged pump.

 

[HereToStudy]

Libido: Up. Haha, man. hhahah

Something about this made me laugh.

 

[mattrag]

7/7/2011


Food intake: (carb load)
6 eggs
1kg chicken breast

2kg boiled potatoes
15 bananas
3 cups (raw measure) white rice


Protein: 286g Fat: 60g Carbs: 1100g*

(Carb load 1200g carbs over the next 30hrs)*

Workout: (power)*

(PR)Incline DB bench: 110lbs 5(3), (8)
1arm shoulder press 50lbs
Standing military behind the neck: 115 (6,5), 135 (5)
Lat pull down: 190 (5)X2, Pull ups to failure
1 legged Leg Press: 178kgs (5) x3
Hammer Curls: 65lbs (5)X2
Tricep push down: 80lbs
rear delt raises: 20lbs (5) X3

Workout time: 1hr 30 minutes*
Workout Notes:Strong like always. Finally hit the real gym. Was amazing.

Notes:*

Aggression: Up in the weights, and pretty much up all day.

Libido:Is good.

Strength: This cycle definitely has made me MUCH stronger.

Pumps: Pumps were crazy today. All day pumped, almost painful .

Mood: aggressive.

Sleep: SLeep has been "normal"? lol I liked sleeping, but i just can't find the time to sleep.

Side Effects: Joints... hair kinda shedding. But it's worth it. I may start trying to train in a lower weight range, for muscle contraction etc.



Appetite: Not really noticing anything. my body must have gotten used to the diet.

Overall: Strength is great, body comp... I donno about this one, i weight the same, stronger. I don't know if i'm any leaner, Ithink I am. My measurements show a .5cm increase in my left bicep though , chest got 1cm smaller. could be fat. over all good progress.
that ends my 4 weeks.

 

[Rodja]

15 bananas? Is that a typo?

 

[mattrag]

15 bananas? Is that a typo?

haha, nope. The bananas are around 100gs each and that's around 22g carbs.

 

[HereToStudy]

15 bananas? Is that a typo?

Ha, I honestly just assumed it was a typo. Thats mega banana consumption lol.

 

[mattrag]

Ha, I honestly just assumed it was a typo. Thats mega banana consumption lol.

I can eat so much food it's ridiculous.
all my food on low/deplete are taken in in 2 sittings. ( I do IF/lean gains)

I am going to go into PCT soon, and then wait a little while then start back up on Mdrol/AHv2 log.

PCT feels easy, as my last PH run over a year ago I towards the 5th-6th week I felt like I was dying.

And PCT.... god.... I thought I died.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

I can eat so much food it's ridiculous.
all my food on low/deplete are taken in in 2 sittings. ( I do IF/lean gains)

I am going to go into PCT soon, and then wait a little while then start back up on Mdrol/AHv2 log.

PCT feels easy, as my last PH run over a year ago I towards the 5th-6th week I felt like I was dying.

And PCT.... god.... I thought I died.

Mdrol AH will treat you well, my favorite cycle for sure (even just using the first androhard).

 

[Rodja]

I don't know how you dudes do IF. I know that the body adapts, but my training is so erratic that I couldn't set aside a specific window.

 

[HereToStudy]

I don't know how you dudes do IF. I know that the body adapts, but my training is so erratic that I couldn't set aside a specific window.

I couldn't imagine it either.

 

[ryansm]

I can eat so much food it's ridiculous.
all my food on low/deplete are taken in in 2 sittings. ( I do IF/lean gains)

I am going to go into PCT soon, and then wait a little while then start back up on Mdrol/AHv2 log.

PCT feels easy, as my last PH run over a year ago I towards the 5th-6th week I felt like I was dying.

And PCT.... god.... I thought I died.

I'll be following along on your SD/AH log

 

[HereToStudy]

I'll be following along on your SD/AH log

Me too, sounds interesting

 

[oufinny]

I couldn't imagine it either.

It is easy and where you workout is really doesn't matter that much. Sometimes I do it first on weekends then break my fast, most days I eat a meal and a shake then workout, on off days or cardio I go until 2 PM or so then stop around 8, it gets easy once you adapt. People are of the idea that you will be catabolic and all this BS if you don't eat after a workout, it is all wrong. Remember, it is the protein companies selling the idea so you buy their high priced protein. MrKleen on AM is hovering at 6% BF about now and has no issues with going 6-8 hours after a workout before eating.

Lean gains is not for everyone but if you have issues maintaining leanness or are very carb sensitive, it is worth giving it a 2-3 month run, you will most likely fall in love with it.

 

[ryansm]

So what is the ideal fasting period? 15 hours?

 

[HereToStudy]

It is easy and where you workout is really doesn't matter that much. Sometimes I do it first on weekends then break my fast, most days I eat a meal and a shake then workout, on off days or cardio I go until 2 PM or so then stop around 8, it gets easy once you adapt. People are of the idea that you will be catabolic and all this BS if you don't eat after a workout, it is all wrong. Remember, it is the protein companies selling the idea so you buy their high priced protein. MrKleen on AM is hovering at 6% BF about now and has no issues with going 6-8 hours after a workout before eating.

Lean gains is not for everyone but if you have issues maintaining leanness or are very carb sensitive, it is worth giving it a 2-3 month run, you will most likely fall in love with it.

Interesting I will have to look into it some more, at least for curiosity sake.

 

[dcrutgers]

Do you think running 1 bottle each of AH/AL stretched over 6 weeks would be better then full dose for 4 weeks?

 

[R1balla]

Im in. IMO, for best gains, dose how PP has it. Maybe some reps can answer better but if it was me, Id keep it at full dose 4 weeks followed by proper PCT

 

[HereToStudy]

Do you think running 1 bottle each of AH/AL stretched over 6 weeks would be better then full dose for 4 weeks?

Everyone has different opinions on this. Personally, I like longer cycles.

 

[sofargone561]

glad i ran into this ive been interested in the andro products price is a little much but hey if it does what its suppose 2 and its low toxicity like they say then its worht the extra$ huh?