I'm thinking about taking Clen because I hear it is an awesome fat burner and will absolutely shred you with a month's use. I know you have to use Taurine to balance it out and drink lots and lots of water. I also know the side effects aren't that bad. Anyone else that has used this or is thinking about using it??
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Anyone Taking Clenbuterol
Clenbuterol, unlike other beta agonists has an unknown mechanism but best guess at this point is its Beta 3 qualities, whereas drugs like albuterol contain only Beta 1 & Beta 2 qualities. True, this drug is illegal in the US but works unbelievably well as a fat burner. If you have a cardiac condition, or your mom or dad did, particularly before they were 55 yrs old I'd avoid it.
Now with that disclaimer out of the way..................................
Use no longer than 1 month, stay away from it while your carb loading because its gonna burn up all your carb load efforts.
Forget the taurine, H2O essential, at least a gallon a day
Day1....1 tab
Day2....2 tabs
Day3....3 tabs
Day4....4 tabs
Day5....Off
Day 6 Repeat this cycle until you start your carb load if getting ready for a contest. Otherwise repeat this cycle for the month as written.
Any use greater than1 month, waste of time, effort, money because your receptors are saturated.
1 Last word of caution, if you get any heart beats skipped more than 4 per minute, back off to the max dose you could handle before you felt the palpitations
Clenbuterol, unlike other beta agonists has an unknown mechanism but best guess at this point is its Beta 3 qualities, whereas drugs like albuterol contain only Beta 1 & Beta 2 qualities. True, this drug is illegal in the US but works unbelievably well as a fat burner. If you have a cardiac condition, or your mom or dad did, particularly before they were 55 yrs old I'd avoid it.
Now with that disclaimer out of the way..................................
Use no longer than 1 month, stay away from it while your carb loading because its gonna burn up all your carb load efforts.
Forget the taurine, H2O essential, at least a gallon a day
Day1....1 tab
Day2....2 tabs
Day3....3 tabs
Day4....4 tabs
Day5....Off
Day 6 Repeat this cycle until you start your carb load if getting ready for a contest. Otherwise repeat this cycle for the month as written.
Any use greater than1 month, waste of time, effort, money because your receptors are saturated.
1 Last word of caution, if you get any heart beats skipped more than 4 per minute, back off to the max dose you could handle before you felt the palpitations
How long would you lay off after your one month on?
i wouldnt do it for a month straight myself or i haven't. I personally find the 2on/2off method the best and i run a eca in the inbetween weeks. Its not a miracle drug and if your diet's not in perfect order your just wasting your time and hurting yourself. Here's some info
www.anabolicextreme.com Back issue 70
What is Clenbuterol?
Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.
Dosing and Cycling
Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.
Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP
Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.
DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.
As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.
Side effects
NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN
The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.
Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.
Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.
Common Uses
Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.
Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.
Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.
Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.
Precautions: Is Clen for you?
The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.
Cycling Clenbuterol
Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.
A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable
Example of a first cycle:
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
Example of a second cycle:
Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
What else do I need to know?
Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.
Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.
Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.
www.anabolicextreme.com Back issue 70
What is Clenbuterol?
Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.
Dosing and Cycling
Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.
Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP
Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.
DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.
As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.
Side effects
NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN
The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.
Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.
Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.
Common Uses
Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.
Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.
Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.
Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.
Precautions: Is Clen for you?
The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.
Cycling Clenbuterol
Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.
A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable
Example of a first cycle:
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
Example of a second cycle:
Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
What else do I need to know?
Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.
Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.
Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.
MPBuffMan said:
clen by itself won't work miracles and definetly won't get you shredded in a month. I would use T3 over clen, fat loss is greater with less sides.
agreed LAM, but T3 is very catabolic (thats why i'd only run it with anabolic support), as opposed to clen, which has anti-catabolic propertiesLAM said:
You can run low dose T3 and high protein to maintain most of your mass
the anti catabolic properties of clen alog side a high protein diet help counter the catabolic effects of T3. Thats why many say the T3/Clen cutting cycle is the best.
Ive seen what T3 can do to someone with a huge amount of body fat so I believe people when they say it is the best stack.
Ive seen what T3 can do to someone with a huge amount of body fat so I believe people when they say it is the best stack.
as always, b4 u try t3, hit up some tiratircol. its a lot milder and a god stepping-stone into the real stuff. i did a 5 week cycle with clen, ketotifen (to help w/the downregulation of the beta-3 receptors), avant labs heat, and some tri-max. it helped me lose 25 lbs. the last day i took it things got a little "weird" due to the increase in my thyroid sensitivity.
i don't recommend going past the 4 week mark w/o decreasing the dosage.
i don't recommend going past the 4 week mark w/o decreasing the dosage.
Clen is far from a miracle worker, and in the long run, plain old ephedrine/caffeine is a better fat burner.
And while on T3, you better also be on an androgen or good prohormone, as even with clen you are in danger of losing muscle.
And while on T3, you better also be on an androgen or good prohormone, as even with clen you are in danger of losing muscle.
^what he said. I have read a lot about clen and its anti-catabloic properties aren't anything useful from what I have heard. On paper it is suppose to be very anti-catabloic but from real world experience users report little to none.
From what I hear triac is just about as strong as t3, the results and the muscle loss. I have never read any logs about a t3/clen cycle but it would seem the clen isnt anabolic enough or anti-catabolic enough to counter the catabolic state that t3 puts you in.
From what I hear triac is just about as strong as t3, the results and the muscle loss. I have never read any logs about a t3/clen cycle but it would seem the clen isnt anabolic enough or anti-catabolic enough to counter the catabolic state that t3 puts you in.
gopro said:
hahaha, I am agreeing with gopro in this thread.
So lately I have heard this talk that clen isnt worth it. That you can have the same results from an EC stack with less harsh sides using EC. Is there any truth in this matter? I have always read EC raises metabo rates 2-3% while clen is closer to 10%. If it is true that sucks because EC has little effect on me.
JoeR. said:
You sound surprised to be agreeing with me, LOL!
Clenbuterol is great on paper, and for some people, yes, it works short term miracles. However, it burns out receptors VERY quickly, as opposed to E/C which becomes more effective over time.
My thought process on this has mostly come from working with competitor after competitor and observing the same thing over and over with regards to these compounds.
Could taking clen for just one month or one cycle potentially screw you up assuming you take the proper dosage and follow the proper precautions? Also, would you keep taking creatine with it or would it be pointless? (didnt really want to start another clen thread so i borrowed this one)
This is the whole basis for cycling. IMO, and in my experience, cycling clen & eca for 2-weeks at a time gets the job done.gopro said:
gopro said:
Ha, just because seems like what ever stance you take on something you get 20 people argueing with you. I just thought it was funny.
Clean w/ketofin supposedly can be run longer. The ketofin keeps the down regulation from happening, or atleast prolongs it.
Also you said that clen and EC use the same receptors and basicly cycling them will burn them out. But you also said with time EC gets better. Dont they contradict? How can prolonged use of EC be more effective if it burns out the receptors?
I ran an EC stack about a month ago and was'nt impressed. I was on a low cal diet and only seen a small decrease in body fat.
Im going to be running a clen/t3 stack after I finish this M1T cycle. So ill let you know how that works. A friend of mine who I grew up with was a very fat guy and he ran just T3 on its own and he lost huge amounts of fat. Because he was so fat though, we dont really know how much muscle mass he lost lol.
Im sure EC stacks work fine for a lot of people but im gonna go with something stronger as I didnt see much more weight loss than just running a normal low cal diet.
Im going to be running a clen/t3 stack after I finish this M1T cycle. So ill let you know how that works. A friend of mine who I grew up with was a very fat guy and he ran just T3 on its own and he lost huge amounts of fat. Because he was so fat though, we dont really know how much muscle mass he lost lol.
Im sure EC stacks work fine for a lot of people but im gonna go with something stronger as I didnt see much more weight loss than just running a normal low cal diet.
(I was thinking of Clen) now maybe I should start running T3 w/ 1-AD to cut..
I am currently running a 4-5 week cycle of 1-AD (300mg/day, 3wks - 400mg/day 2wks.) I am looking at trying to start cutting while I am on this cycle. I have been training for 7 years...3 diligently. I am usually 5'9" 175-178lbs w/ 12%BF. I am consuming about 240g of Protein (w/ shakes) a day, and am eating clean.
I started 1-AD 12 days ago and am at 186 lbs...I would imagine most of this is water. I am not looking at putting on weight rather preserving muscle mass while cutting. Should I run the T3 with my 1-AD cycle? Or, wait until 1-AD is over and PCT w/ 6oxo, and then try the T3? I do fear I will put on too much weight (w/ just 1-AD and protein) to start cutting.
Thanks for any help!
Gibber.
I am currently running a 4-5 week cycle of 1-AD (300mg/day, 3wks - 400mg/day 2wks.) I am looking at trying to start cutting while I am on this cycle. I have been training for 7 years...3 diligently. I am usually 5'9" 175-178lbs w/ 12%BF. I am consuming about 240g of Protein (w/ shakes) a day, and am eating clean.
I started 1-AD 12 days ago and am at 186 lbs...I would imagine most of this is water. I am not looking at putting on weight rather preserving muscle mass while cutting. Should I run the T3 with my 1-AD cycle? Or, wait until 1-AD is over and PCT w/ 6oxo, and then try the T3? I do fear I will put on too much weight (w/ just 1-AD and protein) to start cutting.
Thanks for any help!
Gibber.
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JoeR. said:
Yes, ketotofin can prolong Clen's effectiveness somewhat. However, I still don't feel that clen is any more effective than E/C in the long run (although there are some people that respond exceptionally well to clen).
Ephedrine on its own does not burn out the receptors, but when clen is used it WILL burn out the receptors and then the ephedrine loses much of its effectiveness and hinders receptor recovery from the clen. One interesting effect of ephedrine is that it will actually upregulate the thyroid after about 8 weeks, and will continue to do so for about 8 weeks.
I, personally, respond exceptionally well to Clen. I am currently 5 days into ECY off of 2 weeks of clen. The clen gave me ridiculous results in those 2 weeks. I am hoping that the ECY will keep some of it going. I always wondered what Ketofen was for. I see it sold along side/mixed with Clen, but it is one of the only things that I hadn't researched. I suppose I will get some soon. I am cutting for competition and will be running more clen to ECY cycles.
ketotifen is an antihistamine which helps with the downregulation of receptors which clen does, allowing you to run clen for more than 2 weeks without taking a break. Sides, however, are drowsiness, which can be a prob. The other way to do clen for 6 weeks straight is to take 50mg of benadryl at night during weeks 3 and 6. This apparently clears the receptors, and allows the clen to keep working well. Then take a long break to give the system a rest.Purdue Power said:
Is there a safe level to take T3 at with a very high protein diet to be sure to minimalize catabolism? Would low levels of Clen and the high protein intake do the trick?
Anything over 40mcg/day is going to get catabolic fast if you don't have some kind of anti-catabolic drug propping up protein synthesis.
You'd need like, 60-80mcg of clen/day, at the very least. And I wouldn't take more than 100mcg of T3/day either.
Plus, you run into the same problem though--you need an androgen. Unless you're using an anti-histamine drug to prevent beta2 downregulation from the clen, it's going to burn out your receptors in a week and a half, and lipolysis is going to shut down big-time. So then you're left running T3 while you've shot your fat-loss efforts in the foot; if you get off clen, the T3 starts chewing up muscle--but if you stop the T3 you're hypothyroid and your cut stalls.
Generally: just leave your thyroid alone and don't do anything that elevates T3 above physiological concentrations.
