Approximate Cost

[Rocco32]

I'm sure this is a very amatuerish question, but hey, so am I!

How much could I expect to spend as a beginner on one cycle of gear, including post cycle if I was to buy it all together at once?

 

[Mudge]

$80+

 

[crackerjack414]

300+ depends on how connected u are and what compounds u use

 

[Rocco32]

But for $300 that is what, a 8 week cycle with a post?

 

[Mudge]

Vials are cheaper, 10ml for as low as $26 or so. So spread out 20ml (2ml/cc) a week and thats a 10 week cycle, example being enanthate 250 (500mg a week).

 

[Rocco32]

Hey Mudge, do you like or trust the site Steroid-Encyclopaedia.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by rock4832
Hey Mudge, do you like or trust the site Steroid-Encyclopaedia.

Is it a list supplier? I was on a list supplier site once, one of the oldest gearhead sites on the net. I have heard of another that is more expensive that is supposedly legit.

 

[Rocco32]

I got this from the stickie Prince set up in this area. Haven't become a member because I don't know how legit it is. Still trying to learn things, lotta stuff to learn about steroids!

 

[Rocco32]

http://www.steroid-encyclopaedia.com/ezine.php?story=81

 

[BUSTINOUT]

For a long time it was free.

Do you have a cycle in mind? We may be able to narrow it down for you.

 

[Rocco32]

Have no idea man! Still trying to learn things, a ways off from starting anything yet. Do you use that site?

 

[BUSTINOUT]

No I don't. I used to check it out a long time ago though.

 

[Mudge]

I haven't really heard any positives about Mick's cycling ideas, but I dont know first hand nor do I remember the example given. Alot of the old timer "gurus" dont cycle like we do today, example: Tapering.

 

[Rocco32]

I guess one of the main things I'm interested in that site is finding sources to purchase from.

Any cycles I'd be interested in I'd definately run by you guys first!

 

[Mudge]

Thats the 3rd pay site that I (now) know of then.

 

[crackerjack414]

simple cycle 500mg test eth 1-10
400mg eq 1-10
30mg dbol 1-4

 

[hardasnails1973]

Rock before investing in juice get your diet and training straight plus train natural for 3-4 years then decided. Create a strong base and then go from there and use them for a reason not to get big. Honestly women aren't into that look any more. They like athletic look with abs and some muscle mass plus if you get to freaky oh well then you just get stereo typed. I'm not a hige guy but I stay in shape so every one thinks i'm on juice all the time but they can never tell when I am on or off so that is the best compiment i can recieve. honestly give GP a shot and he can work with you. Yes people do charge, but way spin your wheels for another year to 2 when you can be making moe gains in 6 months then that time a lone .

 

[Rocco32]

Thanks for your input HAN! I definately plan to give GP a shot, but after the holidays and my arms recover. As for as diet, I appreciate your help with that tremendously, but kinda feel left to the wayside with a lot of questions left unanswered. So right now I'm more confused than before.

As far as roids, I haven't decided whether to take them or not. But if I do it will still be awhile, I'm still doing fine with Prohormones, but I'll be honest I like what I'm learning about different Steroids. Don't know where I stand on that yet.

I don't care how women view me, I do this for myself noone else. I'm already married and know my wife isn't attracted to "huge" men, but I also know I don't have the genetic make-up to be "huge", with or w/out 'roids. So that is mute for me. I just want to be the best I can be and I don't believe 'roids can't necessarily be a part of that!

 

[Mudge]

You can get huge on, but after awhile you have to use more and stay on longer than someone more gifted.

 

[Rocco32]

Right, I understand that mentality Mudge. I don't necessarily want to get huge, just bigger and definately harder. That is part of what certain steroids do, no?

 

[Mudge]

Without staying on longer there are plenty of people who wont get huge, genetics do still play a role. So yes, you can get bigger/stronger without being a freak. Alot of guys that use gear are not huge, bicyclists for example, or 197 pound powerlifters benching 683, and so on.

 

[Rocco32]

Sounds good to me. I want more muscle density and vascularity. A little bigness!

 

[Power Rabbit]

heh...I wish i could up the time tables for me to do gear....the prices seem to be reletively near phoromones and juice does more:-/

 

[prolangtum]

Dont make things too complicated on your first cycle. You dont want to run 3 things, how do you know what worked and what didnt. Was it the EQ? Was it the Winny? Every cycle should include a form of Test, and your first cycle should be test only. 400-600mgs per week for 10 weeks is solid. So figure two 10 ml vials of Eth or Cyp. That should run anywhere from $100-$150. Have enough nolva on hand any case any gyno arises, plus some for PC, so if you went with a site like powernutrition.net for some liquid nolva, it would run another $80 for two bottles. Anti-aromatose drugs should not be needed on a cycle of only 400-600mgs of test, and they can lower serum IGF-1 levels, along with running havoc on your cholesterol, which already is going to be taking a slight hit from the test itself. Extra estrogen to an extent can be very anabolic, and it will upregulate your GLUT 4 in your muscles. If you bloat severly, an ACE inhibitor is always an option, and ACE inhibitors also have some anabolic and nutrient partitioning qualities.

 

[Rocco32]

You think that is all I need even though I've done 3 previous cycles of prohormones?

 

[prolangtum]

Yes, go for the upper end, 600mgs of Test. What are your stats, and what did you use previously, PH wise?

 

[Rocco32]

I am 205, 5'11" about 16% BF (coming off a bulk)
Before I used Ergopharm 1-ad, S1+, and will use M1T soon.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by rock4832
You think that is all I need even though I've done 3 previous cycles of prohormones?

What do you mean "all" bro? 600mg test is a lot IMO, this is my first cycle running past that. 400-500mg a week for a first timer IMO, 600 is ok I suppose. Damn if you think 750mg a week makes for a good first cycle hell no

A cycle for me means 2-3 compounds not including ancilaries if used, my first cycle was just sustanon and nothing else.

 

[Rocco32]

I didn't mean the amount of test mudge. I was reading some of the sites you sent me and example cycles. They are stacking a bunch of different things throughout a 12-18wk cycle. That's what I was referring to.

 

[Mudge]

I'd say 10 weeks, test enanthate or cypionate, and if you want to run a second item go with dbol 25-30mg daily for 4-6 weeks.