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Are Dips/Chin Ups better for your arms than any curling excersizes?
- Thread starter CancerNV
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Bar dips and chins are compound training exercises. I do believe compound exercises to be superior to isolation type exercises. So I say true but only if you continually add weight to the exercise.CancerNV said:
Oh boy, I can see where this thread is going...
Let's just say that your training regimen should be centered around compound exercises. In my opinion, isolation movements should mostly be used to bring up weak points or lagging body parts.
Let's just say that your training regimen should be centered around compound exercises. In my opinion, isolation movements should mostly be used to bring up weak points or lagging body parts.
ForemanRules said:
I think 4-6 is a good range to include in bodybuilding routines sometimes as well. Training with weights in the 4-8RM range is great for functional hypertrophy.
IMO I try to take my arms out of those exercises.CancerNV said:
On pullups I try to use pure back muscles to get up...no forearms or biceps or at least to a minimum
on dips I lean way foward and flare my elbows out to diminish my tri from the exercise. For me dips are a chest/front delt exercise. I never lock out at the top either b/c this is all tris at that point
lnvanry said:
Don't shortchange your range of motion for the sake of trying to reduce tricep stimulation. That makes no sense. What's the point?
I shortchange the motion on a lot of things to only certain mucles groups on certain days...ex.
chest day I never lock out bench and dips...Its a chest day not a chest and tri day.
shoulders day I don't lock out on overhead presses...it's not shoulders and tris for me.
I save my tris for a high volume tri day. My volume is pretty crazy I posted it on another thread today titled "high volume workouts" or something like that..check it out Cow.
i'm curious of what you think. I like to discuss training w/ you.
chest day I never lock out bench and dips...Its a chest day not a chest and tri day.
shoulders day I don't lock out on overhead presses...it's not shoulders and tris for me.
I save my tris for a high volume tri day. My volume is pretty crazy I posted it on another thread today titled "high volume workouts" or something like that..check it out Cow.
i'm curious of what you think. I like to discuss training w/ you.
lnvanry said:
Everyone thinks of movements in body parts too much! You are using your triceps regardless. If you extend the elbow your triceps get used. The only thing you are doing is sacrificing strength at lockout for some silly notion that you can't hit a body part more than once per week. Also, you are neglecting your traps to some degree on overhead pressing because your scapula elevates when locking out overhead presses.
If you want to isolate a body part with some supplemental work then use an isolation exercise. Don't use limited range of motion compound movements...
If it's working for you, then my opinion of it is pretty meaningless. Nonetheless, I'll take a look for ya.
ForemanRules said:
That is a ridiculous statement. All kinds of effective bodybuilding protocols call for using intensities higher than your 8RM. Improving neuromuscular efficiency has positive benefits on hypertrophy. Not to mention, fast-twitch B fibers don't get as much stimulation as they should unless you are conciously use compensatory acceleration on all your lifts. Even then, you are neglecting the other benefits of lifting heavy.
Use the entire quote next timeCowPimp said:
Here it is in its entirety.
If somebody is consistently doing sets of 4 reps on biceps their is a 95% chance that person is an idiot.
Less than 6 reps is for power lifting/Olympic lifting only!!!
Dropping below 6 reps ( i.e. 1-5 reps) is of little benefit to bodybuilders or the casual lifter........it will however in most cases increase your risk of injury
ForemanRules said:Use the entire quote next time
Here it is in its entirety.
If somebody is consistently doing sets of 4 reps on biceps their is a 95% chance that person is an idiot.
Less than 6 reps is for power lifting/Olympic lifting only!!!
Although I hesitate to call the person an idiot, I think that doing sets purely of 4 repetitions for bicep isolation is not the best idea. That's why I only used the second sentence, which is nonsense.
Nonsense again! As long as you maintain proper form your chance of injury shouldn't rise appreciably.
my arms are my genetic pro(prob the only one) and i rarely hit them individually.. used to... doing heavy benching..heavy rowing seems to make them grow just fine
CowPimp said:
I absolutely disagree with you.......to even think doing singles ( maxing out) or 3,4 reps is as safe as higher reps (6-12+) is just pure nonsense.
90% of the people in the gym are incapable of training with proper form when they max or do super low reps.....
In a perfect world???? I still say low or single reps are far more dangerous......esp with biceps and triceps....the muscles this thread is about!
ForemanRules said:
I understand what you're saying. Most people don't pay enough attention to form or fixing weak points to improve it. However, like I said, if done properly, I don't think lifting heavy is inherently dangerous. Going into the world of heavy lifting does require gradual increases to ensure that you don't overdo it.
