are these 2 workouts overtraining or not?

[Tha Don]

Bench Press - 4 x 6-8
D/B Incline Press - 4 x 6-8
Flys - 3 x 8-12
Wide dumbell press into flys - 3 x 8-12 (hard to explain but its awesome after my flys, totally fatigues my chest good, great finisher)
Dips - 3 x Max

This is what i'm doing for my chest workout, IMO I don't think its overtraining, yes my chest will kill the next day but ain't that the whole idea? As long as i keep this short and intense can I use it as my chest workout? (i'm ecto, i read on t-mag long limbs need more than just heavy compound lifts to get best growth, or else i'd just do 8 reps on BP and D/BIP, just incase you wondering), if its not good can you tell me why (with logic)?


I'm undecided for my back routine... I need bigger traps and lats (my whole torso sucks), this look any good?

Pull Ups - 4 x Max
One arm row (using a bench) - 3 x 6-8 on each side
Wide/Narrow Lat. Pulldown - 4 x 8-12
Deadlifts - 3 x 8-12
D/B Shrugs - 3 x 8-12

Ain't sure if thats enough rowing, anyone have a good back workout for lats and in particular traps! let me know

advice and comments appriciated

peace

 

[maddog1]

In regards to chest, I would only do 1-2 quality sets, as they tend to promote over soreness

 

[QuestionGuy]

they are not bad, just get a lot of rest

 

[once was fat]

I dont think your chest routine is that bad.

I do 5 execrcises for chest 4 sets of 15 on every exercise.

 

[Tha Don]

great, thanks for the input!

did chest last night, had a great workout... cut a set of the flys and i tried pullovers instead of dips, i might move dips to arms day as they hit my tris a lot more and will act as a stimulation movement for my chest

got back today, i think i will cut the lat. pulldown, and add CG rows, and then add stiffarm pulldowns to finish my lats off (i found a good post by Go Pro on back exercises last night, hence the changes i'm making)

peace

 

[rburton]

You are overtraining, unledss you are just going through the motions. If you want to avoid overtraining, reduce to no more than three sets per bodypart, 4-10 days between workouts, and REST-REST-REST!!!!!!

 

[Flex]

Originally posted by rburton
You are overtraining, unledss you are just going through the motions. If you want to avoid overtraining, reduce to no more than three sets per bodypart, 4-10 days between workouts, and REST-REST-REST!!!!!!

all you "lazy man workout" afficiandos (spelling) are crazy.

honestly, try having all the muscles of your back grow with 3 total sets...your lats, spinal erectors, rhomboids, traps and teres. good luck building muscle with one set of hyperextensions, 1 set of pullups/downs and 1 set of bent over rows. you can't be serious.

 

[Tha Don]

Originally posted by rburton
You are overtraining, unledss you are just going through the motions. If you want to avoid overtraining, reduce to no more than three sets per bodypart, 4-10 days between workouts, and REST-REST-REST!!!!!!

hey bro, i'm tryin to build up! not shrink!!

i agree wid my homeboy flex on this 1

peace

 

[rburton]

Any time that the body is excercised, an inroad is made into the body's recuperative system. The more frequently one exercises and the longer one exercises requires longer recovery periods.

The initial recovery stages accomplish no more than filling in the hole, so to speak, made by the exercise. This period usually takes 3-4 days, assuming one exercises at maximum intensity. Also, do not equate intensity with length of workout, they are mutually exclusive. Following the initial recovery time, the body begins to build muscle, which takes another 2-3 days, again assuming that the individual has utilized maximum exercise intensity.

The process I just described is the general adaptation syndrome (G..A.S.), which states that the body must adapt to stresses placed upon it. Strength training requires that the body adapt to this stress by building muscle. However, without sufficient intensity, the body will not build muscle. Furthermore, without sufficient rest, the body will never have the opportunity to build muscle.

Because duration and intensity are inversely related, one can either train long or one can train hard, not both, unless using steroids or is exceptionally gifted genetically. Look at the physique of the 100 meter sprinter compared with the long distance runner, consider the training each pursues, and notice that the sprinter is much more muscular.

BTW, Flex, I am not "lazy" by any means, nor are my workouts lazy. If you can deconstruct my position, by all means please do so. However, using an ad hominem argument detracts from the issue that is under discussion and fails to add anything constructive to the discussion that may allow all involved parties to gain knowledge from the discussion. Furthermore, unless an individual is willing to analyze an event or idea critically and logically, then the individual will never learn anything beyond what he/she has learned already.

 

[Flex]

Originally posted by rburton
Any time that the body is excercised, an inroad is made into the body's recuperative system. The more frequently one exercises and the longer one exercises requires longer recovery periods.

The initial recovery stages accomplish no more than filling in the hole, so to speak, made by the exercise. This period usually takes 3-4 days, assuming one exercises at maximum intensity. Also, do not equate intensity with length of workout, they are mutually exclusive. Following the initial recovery time, the body begins to build muscle, which takes another 2-3 days, again assuming that the individual has utilized maximum exercise intensity.

The process I just described is the general adaptation syndrome (G..A.S.), which states that the body must adapt to stresses placed upon it. Strength training requires that the body adapt to this stress by building muscle. However, without sufficient intensity, the body will not build muscle. Furthermore, without sufficient rest, the body will never have the opportunity to build muscle.

Because duration and intensity are inversely related, one can either train long or one can train hard, not both, unless using steroids or is exceptionally gifted genetically. Look at the physique of the 100 meter sprinter compared with the long distance runner, consider the training each pursues, and notice that the sprinter is much more muscular.

BTW, Flex, I am not "lazy" by any means, nor are my workouts lazy.

I didn't call you lazy, i was quoting a pro BB.

i really do not feel like argueing anymore. you have your opinion, and I (and every big dude i know) has our opinion. And YES, you can train long and hard, its called endurance. for example, i find the best part of the workout often comes as i go on, not from the beginning.

you have your ideas, we have ours. leave it at that.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by Flex
I didn't call you lazy, i was quoting a pro BB.

i really do not feel like argueing anymore. you have your opinion, and I (and every big dude i know) has our opinion. And YES, you can train long and hard, its called endurance. for example, i find the best part of the workout often comes as i go on, not from the beginning.

you have your ideas, we have ours. leave it at that.

preach it brotha!