I've always trained biceps after upper back and triceps after chest. Some folks I know have an "arm day" (similar to the more common "leg day") where thay do both muscle groups together. What's your oppinion?
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Arm day?
- Thread starter Mace
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My arms started to really grow once I stoped doing them on they're own day and even skipped them the odd week.
They get so much work from back and chest that I don't think people give them enough recovery time so they never get a chance to fully heal before gettin torn apart.
They get so much work from back and chest that I don't think people give them enough recovery time so they never get a chance to fully heal before gettin torn apart.
Ditto here.
I've preached thsi for years and will continue to do so. Not that I'm anything special to look at but considering that I only do on average 6 sets for triceps and biceps I get the most comments on my arms.
Same here PB, I was worried at first about cutting back from 9 down to 6 but I'm seeing better growth and strength from less work. Gotta love that. 
Training God
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*** It depends, if you want strong arms give them their own day, otherwise for hypertrophy purposes both methods work well. It all depends on how you use exercise variables.
Yep, me too!! I stopped giving my arms their own work-out day and cut down the number of sets. Better strength and size gains. Not only that, my back and chest work-outs improved as well. I guess it's cause my arms were recovering better and able to help out with the back and chest work-outs. Does that make sense??
Mace, I just noticed your signature. Not to change the subject of the post but I remember hearing about someone on the way to the gym getting pulled over with a zip-lock bag of creatine on the passenger seat. To make a long story short, it took another police officer who used creatine to confirm that's what it was. LOL.
miamiguns
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Mondays:Biceps and then back.
Tuesdays:Triceps and then chest.
Wednesday:Legs/calves/cardio
Thursday:Shoulders/Traps
Friday:Cardio
Saturday:Legs/calves
Sunday:Cardio
I've lost 7 pounds of fat in 8 weeks. Now I need a change but am not sure what needs changing.
Sups I'm using are 100% Whey and Glutomine. Thats all I'm willing to take right now.
Tuesdays:Triceps and then chest.
Wednesday:Legs/calves/cardio
Thursday:Shoulders/Traps
Friday:Cardio
Saturday:Legs/calves
Sunday:Cardio
I've lost 7 pounds of fat in 8 weeks. Now I need a change but am not sure what needs changing.
Sups I'm using are 100% Whey and Glutomine. Thats all I'm willing to take right now.
Change to back then biceps and Chest and then triceps. You should always work the larger muscle group first.
And why are you doing legs twice a week?? Won't grow if they can't rest!
miamiguns
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I wanted to concentrate on more arm intensity to promote growth. Now i think I'll start to concentrate on the lats and chest as you suggested.
My Wednesday leg work out is fixed med/high rep low weight to coincide with my cardio. Saturday is my big weight leg workout.
Too much? My legs are my weak spot right now.
I've heard of this kind of routine before but never understood the logic behind it.
I tried it once and found that my bis would end up being to sore for back days and the same would happen with tris depending on which workout came first in the week.
How does it work for you man? I'm curious..
Corri, the idea behind Back/tri's and Chest/bi's is that you get one day where the bi's and tri's get a light (they get worked indirectly) and then one day with a heavy actual workout.
And like you said, you need to have at least 3-4 days of rest between back and chest so your arms have had a chance to recover.
And like you said, you need to have at least 3-4 days of rest between back and chest so your arms have had a chance to recover.
Training God
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*** Not as strong as if you gave them your own day or you placed arms before your back or any other muscle group you work on that day.
*** Not as strong as if you gave them your own day or you placed arms before your back or any other muscle group you work on that day.
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With strength, I'd agree but I wonder if the same could be said about size?
With strength, I'd agree but I wonder if the same could be said about size?
So, for SIZE I should keep things as they are:
Back / Bi's
Chest / Tri's
Thanks, guys.
Back / Bi's
Chest / Tri's
Thanks, guys.
When i shift back into gaining mode i'm gonna give delts/bis/tris their own day (and actually do some bicep work regularly).
I'm also gonna try and indirectly hit larger muscles when doing so, too.
ie curl grip chins for bicep work, CGBP for tris etc...
But i'm gonna stop shy of failure on all sets. Even sets for the larger parts at the other end of the week.
I'm gonna use this split:
Sunday: thighs (quads, hams)
Monday: delts/arms
Thursday: back/calves
Friday: chest/abs
Kinda like a HST methodology, but not quite. Volume will still be low/moderate.
6 sets for back, chest, quads (with 1-3 extra sets for hams, depending on what exercises i chose for quads). 4-5 sets for delts, 3-4 for tris, 1-3 for bis.
Should be interesting.
I'm also gonna try and indirectly hit larger muscles when doing so, too.
ie curl grip chins for bicep work, CGBP for tris etc...
But i'm gonna stop shy of failure on all sets. Even sets for the larger parts at the other end of the week.
I'm gonna use this split:
Sunday: thighs (quads, hams)
Monday: delts/arms
Thursday: back/calves
Friday: chest/abs
Kinda like a HST methodology, but not quite. Volume will still be low/moderate.
6 sets for back, chest, quads (with 1-3 extra sets for hams, depending on what exercises i chose for quads). 4-5 sets for delts, 3-4 for tris, 1-3 for bis.
Should be interesting.
I read somewhere once that more strength means more size. Not correct? I think the reason is more strength comes from continuously lifting heavier weight, which breaks more and more muscle fibers where the repairs will make muscle bigger (and stronger) which leads to bigger size. Not correct?
- Josh
Generally, a bigger muscle is usually a stronger one, yes. But as far as strength gains are concerned, there's a lot more factors involved.
Yes, it's called progressive overload.
But you can't just go into training the same muscles everyday trying to lift more and expect them to grow. Not for any appreciable amount of time anyway. It's basically overtraining.
Progressive overload each week, however, is a different story....
Hmmm... I guess it all depends on your goals. Power lifters tend to be stronger, but bodybuilders are much nicer to look at 
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The thing the matters most is not whether or not you should work your arms with chest and back, it's that you do not overtrain arms.
The biceps and triceps are a relatively small muscle group that get used during all pushing and pulling exercises. So, typically when a "natural" bodybuilder is trying to gain mass they utilize compound movements.
The biceps and triceps are a relatively small muscle group that get used during all pushing and pulling exercises. So, typically when a "natural" bodybuilder is trying to gain mass they utilize compound movements.
So, bigger muscle => stronger muscle (generally), but is the reverse (generally) true, stronger muscle => bigger muscle?
If true, could one aim to strengthen muscle in order to get bigger muscle? I ask this because as PowermanDL says, giving bis and tris their own day can strengthen them. In my effort to build my chest and back, sometimes I got advises that maybe my tris and bis are holding these muscles back, so I thought maybe I should strengthen these arm muscles first so that I can push and pull more powerfully and grow my chest and back. So if giving arms their own day would help this, I would try it.
- Josh
Not necessarily, no.
Quick example. Did you watch the world's strongest woman contest earlier this year? (or was it late last year?)
Anyhoo, some butch, manly woman came first, but second was a lassie who looked no different from the average girl, except she did have a good figure with a bit of muscle. Not as much as you'd expect anyway. She was/is strong as hell. Good looking too. Boy, I'd hit it.
That's progressive overload.
Aim to increase strength (with more BBing oriented methods like including higher reps and any techniques etc...) and provide the correct anabolic environment (eg calorie surplus etc...)
I've done it Prince's 'backwards' way in the past as well, overall either one worked fine for me.
Generally bigger = stronger and vice versa, but this is definately not always true, as TCD pointed out. There are 173 pound powerlifters benching in the 600s, you can continue to get stronger on a caloric restriction which is what they do to keep thier bodyweights locked into a certain class.
Generally bigger = stronger and vice versa, but this is definately not always true, as TCD pointed out. There are 173 pound powerlifters benching in the 600s, you can continue to get stronger on a caloric restriction which is what they do to keep thier bodyweights locked into a certain class.
