arm vein question

[vuch]

hey im a 15 yr old kid who has been lifting for about 3 years, now i have gotten a lot stronger and there is some definition but i would like to have some veins popout, they do on my hand and my foot but on my forearm,bicep,shoulder theya re just purple streaks across my skin, is this a matter of me not being mature enough for them to pop out or should i work on decreasing body fat and if i need to do that are there any tips? thanks

 

[Mudge]

Bodyfat and blood requirements. So a little proper diet (not hot dogs and pizza) and keep working out.

 

[vuch]

for blood requirements should i concentrate on lifting heavy weights with short reps to build mass?

 

[oaktownboy]

it mainly deals with ur diet..cutting cals and dropping carbs and fats

 

[Arnold]

not sure why, but I have become increasingly more vascular with age, when I was young regardless of leanness I was not at all vascular.

 

[Mudge]

Sub Q fat loss with skin exposed to sunlight? Happens in the face.

 

[JJJ]

Also a lot to do with genetics...

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Mudge
Sub Q fat loss with skin exposed to sunlight? Happens in the face.

no, cause I stay out of the sun, and I am talking about weird places like my triceps.

 

[Mudge]

Maybe slow adaptation, hmm.

 

[Arnold]

not sure, but I ain't complaining!

 

[bandaidwoman]

Originally posted by Mudge
Sub Q fat loss with skin exposed to sunlight? Happens in the face.

True, loss of subcutaneous fat and thinning of the skin but another process plays a role in the gradual appearance of veins with time and age......

First and foremost, we are all born with all the superficial veins we will have. So why do they appear gradually over time! With regards to BB, as Mudge pointed out, loss of subcutaneous fat is a main one but the other is a form of venous insufficiency.

Superficial veins can be catagorized as "normal", or varicosities or telangiectasia (spider veins), (the latter two are the visible surface manifestations of an underlying venous insufficiency syndrome.) Venous insufficiency is when venous blood escapes from a normal flow path and flow in a backward manner or retrograde manner.Thus, varicose veins and spider veins are normal veins that have dilated under the influence of increased venous pressure.

In healthy veins, one-way valves direct the flow of venous blood upward and inward. Blood is collected in superficial venous capillaries, flows into larger superficial veins, and eventually passes through valves into the deep veins and then centrally to the heart and lungs. Superficial veins are suprafascial, while deep veins are within the muscle fascia. Perforating veins allow blood to pass from the superficial veins into the deep system.

Within muscle compartments, muscular contraction compresses deep veins and causes a pumping action that can produce transient deep venous pressures as high as 5 atmospheres. Deep veins can withstand this pressure because of their construction and because their confining fascia prevents them from becoming excessively distended. In contrast to deep veins, the venous pressure in superficial veins normally is very low. Exposure to high pressures causes superficial veins of any size to become dilated and tortuous.

Perfectly normal veins will dilate and become tortuous in response to continued high pressure, as is seen in patients with dialysis shunts or with spontaneous arteriovenous malformations or lifting weights.


Elevated venous pressure most often is the result of venous insufficiency due to valve incompetence in the deep or superficial veins. Varicose veins are the undesirable pathways by which venous blood refluxes back into the congested extremity.


Chronically increased venous pressure also can be caused by outflow obstruction, either from intravascular thrombosis (blood clot) or from extrinsic compression, such as an overdeveloped or hypertrophied tendon, an extra or malformed rib, muscle etc. .



As for how these superficial venous valves fail, it may result from direct trauma or from thrombotic valve injury, but most commonly simply is due to the effects of high pressure within the superficial venous system. (When exposed to high pressure for a long enough period of time, superficial veins dilate so much that their diameter increaes in size.)

This could be why some BBs are seeing "new" veins in areas that they were not apparent

 

[Trump]

Originally posted by bandaidwoman
*snip*

wow you are smart

 

[bandaidwoman]

No just part of my job training, that's all. But thanks.

 

[moon]

ur veins will come out as u get age.
I rather want to see prettty ripped muscles than snakishly vascular arms.
Maybe those with popped out veins are stronger. I dn't really think this is true enough. it is in the cards!
I am quite vascular though not quite big.

 

[Premo55]

I've never really had issues with vascularity, even when my BF goes over 10-12% I still see vascularity across my quads, arms and abs/obliques, it's weird. I have issues with striations across my front delts, though. That only happens when I go sub 8%.

Peace.

 

[vuch]

are you saying having a tan has something to do with this?

 

[Mudge]

I sure was not if you meant me, not in the short term.

 

[moon]

any of u still remember the snakish veins in quads of that German bb in 2003 Mr O ? Is there anyone who thinks it is nice?
Sry i find hard to write his name

 

[Mudge]

Jim Quinn, probably second to Rich, not Jim's most vascular pic though.

[IMG2]http://www.darkwoods.net/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/jquinn03.jpg[/IMG2]

Rich Gaspari

[IMG2]http://www.darkwoods.net/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/gaspar25.jpg[/IMG2]

 

[derekisdman]

Geez Rich is frekin scary in that picture

 

[Mudge]

Here you go, check out Jim's legs

 

[Mex]

Ok that's just disgusting

Anyone think those popping veins have a limit before they stop looking aesthetic?

I mean, classic bbers had a few big veins here and there, but what's with these freaks lately? Ew.

 

[Mudge]

They want to be freaks dude, a 300-400 pound guy is nothing but a freak. Classic bodybuilders did not dump as much water and did not get as shredded as todays bretheren.

 

[Mudge]

Here is a woman who lifts, and a guy who obviously does. Not a freak? Oh I think he is.

[IMG2]http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=498266[/IMG2]

 

[derekisdman]

Originally posted by Mudge
They want to be freaks dude

But why?

 

[Mudge]

If you have never wanted to look like that then I dont think the question can be answered to you.

 

[DannyT]

When you get that big you have to work like a dog for the rest of your life. Otherwise one day you're gonna look like a giant lump of lard in a chair.

 

[P-funk]

Originally posted by DannyT
When you get that big you have to work like a dog for the rest of your life. Otherwise one day you're gonna look like a giant lump of lard in a chair.

This is not entirley true. Muscle does not simply become fat or vise versa. They are two completly different chemical make ups. the reason that guys who are huge get faty when they stop lifting is because they don't shut their mouth and continue to consume mass amounts of calories without expending the usual amount of energy from their workout. So the fat piles on. The lesson here.......If you aren't working out you better not be eating (in large quantities that is)!!

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by DannyT
When you get that big you have to work like a dog for the rest of your life. Otherwise one day you're gonna look like a giant lump of lard in a chair.

In addition to what Pfunk said, it is very easy to stop eating so damn much and simply lose all that weight. Those guys are not going to hold that kind of weight without tons of food, and they wont hold the muscle without the gear that they are running, period.

Lou Ferrigno's bodyweight has gone down and up and down and up again several times after his retirement, looking at Arnold it is obvious that he is not 265 pounds of flab either which would be about his offseason weight. Eat less and the weight will come off, most of those guys probably dont WANT to eat 6,000 calories a day for the rest of thier lives anyway. Trevor Smith for example spends about $450 a week on food simply for himself.