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Originally posted by Jodi
I'd do it but I like my carb ups
I know. Helps you get through the diet right? That's the point, you won't feel you need them.
Also, properly using refeeds would not hurt the use of the product. Even with refeeds, diets suck, don't they? Leptin still goes down, doesn't it?
Also, although i've stated otherwise in the past, i don't think a 100-200g carb-up before bed really has that much of an impact on leptin itself. Just thyroid functioning and glycogen replenishment if anything.
Regardless, your bodyfat levels will be reducing so your leptin levels will be going down with them. Something like this theoretically will "trick" the body into thinking the fat stores are still there.
Regardless, your bodyfat levels will be reducing so your leptin levels will be going down with them. Something like this theoretically will "trick" the body into thinking the fat stores are still there.
Originally posted by kuso
Could be......
I`m still surprised though. A thread like this elsewhere would have many falling over themselves to test imo.
I have to say, after 24 hours I expected more as well. So far I have one volunteer. Surprising.
Jamal, yes, Avant will be coming out with many products, and, to the extent there is interest, I will offer free testing on most of them.
Yeah. The amount of carbs consumed plays a role also. A "carb-up" generally defines consuming 100-200g in the last or last two meals before bed (at least how i define it anyhoo), and that is neither an amount large enough or a long enough duration to really effect leptin at all. A "refeed" is, as i personally define it, going out of your way to consume enough carbs to make an effect on leptin levels via the hexosamine biosynthetic pathway in fat cells - i.e "spilling over". "Carb-ups" are generally not large enough to do this. Especially if you've been low carbing between carb-ups, as most will go to muscular glycogen replenishment, hepatic glycogen replenishment, and T4 to T3 conversion in the liver.
Other than that, they may have small effects of leptin production in the muscle or brain (which are small secretions compared to fat cell secretion of leptin), but i can't say that sure.
Hey, you only live once, right?
I've thought it over and I'm willing to give it a try.
Although I am usually careful about what I eat,
I've never really done any kind of a serious planned cut.
It would be interesting to see if I actually do have abs.
I lift and exercise to stay in shape for other sports such as
basketball and softball, plus I want to be able to run around with
my kids as they get older. I haven't been in any kind of bodybuilding competitions.
According to online calculators using weight and waist measurements, I'm currently at 16-18% BF.
I've thought it over and I'm willing to give it a try.
Although I am usually careful about what I eat,
I've never really done any kind of a serious planned cut.
It would be interesting to see if I actually do have abs.
I lift and exercise to stay in shape for other sports such as
basketball and softball, plus I want to be able to run around with
my kids as they get older. I haven't been in any kind of bodybuilding competitions.
According to online calculators using weight and waist measurements, I'm currently at 16-18% BF.
Thanks.
Hmmm. Perhaps people are misunderstanding this. This is not a guniea pig situation. We aren't given you cynide to see what will happen (I'll bet you'll lose a lot of weight though!)
This is a previous product, which showed good results, completely remodeled, with several new ingredients at specific doses, that will not only trick your body into thinking it is "fed" and keep leptin up (and prevent metobolic crash, etc.) will provide a significant partitioning effect, helping one to lose fat and maintain and even gain muscle, while "dieting."
I'll be that cyanide stuff has some nasty side effects.
I realize you're attempting to dissaude free-loaders, but what's with the evasive maneuvering re: subject qualifications? 
Originally posted by DaMayor
I realize you're attempting to dissaude free-loaders, but what's with the evasive maneuvering re: subject qualifications?
I am not sure I understand the question or what you mean by "subject qualifications".
My point on was that which you said, certain things are obvious, others are not. I don't want to say, blue eyed people will have priority, and then everyone to tell me they have blue eyes, simply to get selected.
I will choose someone who I believe will be a good candidate for this product.
In other words, if you are already at 5% BF, for example, the product may help you maintain that weight and increase kcals, but you would not be a good TEST candidate. That is all. Nothing more to it.
If there is something specific you want to know, please ask.
Just my .02...........People with moderate BF% will make good candidates. You must have the will and be dedicated to this and put in 110% toward loosing fat. You must be willing to watch your diet and keep meticulous notes for research purposes. If your lazy, I would not bother. Nothing is magic.
Good job mjsturg1.
No, TP, my comment wasn't meant to sound derrogatory, I'm just saying that it might be easier to cull through the crowd if you provided some very general, if not downright vague, guidlines for candidates to follow. e.g., (hypothetically) 'I need individuals between ages X and Y. with BF between A and B.....dietary status, goals, etc.....
I'm not trying to knock the program. Secondly, the majority of those who reply here will most probably be sincere, and I don't think anyone would feel slighted if they were turned down....as it is obvious that this is a study requiring a specific segment of the IM population.
No, TP, my comment wasn't meant to sound derrogatory, I'm just saying that it might be easier to cull through the crowd if you provided some very general, if not downright vague, guidlines for candidates to follow. e.g., (hypothetically) 'I need individuals between ages X and Y. with BF between A and B.....dietary status, goals, etc.....
I'm not trying to knock the program. Secondly, the majority of those who reply here will most probably be sincere, and I don't think anyone would feel slighted if they were turned down....as it is obvious that this is a study requiring a specific segment of the IM population.
Alright TP - I want in
Here's my thoughts, I've been trying to cut for quite a few weeks now. My body has become very stubborn and does not like to let go of the fat. I'm am very dedicated to my eating plan and my w/o's and yet the fat still stays. My body tends to respond better to low carb plans but then because of lifting like I do I need to refeed or carb up. I think I would have good success if I didn't have to carb up as much as I do. I do so well in 2-3 days of low carb and I see a major change and then its time for carbs again. It would be great to try a product that could keep me from having to carb up as often as I do. Don't get me wrong, I love oatmeal and really enjoy my carbs.
By using Leptigen, from what I've read, I could go 10+ days on a low carb/mod fat/high protein diet without having to introduce carbs into my diet and still retain enough energy for my workouts. This sounds ideal right now with summer creeping up and I would like to see if this product would work for me.
Jodi
Originally posted by Jodi
Alright TP - I want in
Here's my thoughts, I've been trying to cut for quite a few weeks now. My body has become very stubborn and does not like to let go of the fat. I'm am very dedicated to my eating plan and my w/o's and yet the fat still stays. My body tends to respond better to low carb plans but then because of lifting like I do I need to refeed or carb up. I think I would have good success if I didn't have to carb up as much as I do. I do so well in 2-3 days of low carb and I see a major change and then its time for carbs again. It would be great to try a product that could keep me from having to carb up as often as I do. Don't get me wrong, I love oatmeal and really enjoy my carbs.
By using Leptigen, from what I've read, I could go 10+ days on a low carb/mod fat/high protein diet without having to introduce carbs into my diet and still retain enough energy for my workouts. This sounds ideal right now with summer creeping up and I would like to see if this product would work for me.
Jodi
DeMayor, this is a good start. I'd like to see the following:
- relative amount of BF
- amount desired to lose
- past dieting history, experience, success, failure
- current plans
- ability to commit
- ability to stick to a plan
- desire and ability to be meticulous in journaling
Anything else, I'll add in.
Originally posted by Jodi
TP - I posted that
You want me list all that stuff too?
Just being clear....though you didn't say your BF% or how much you wanted to lose.
It was the best example though, of the info I need.
- relative amount of BF
18-19%
- amount desired to lose
6%
- past dieting history, experience, success, failure
I have tried several diets in the past, everything from low-fat, mod carb diets, to CKD to TKD and in the past year working with DP and w8. I have seen my best results working with DP and w8 using Low Carb, Mod Fat, Mod-high Protein diets. SOmetimes we'd switch it up to just enough carbs so that I don't need any refeed/carb up's - but on this particular plan keeping the carbs up a little I seem to have slow results
- current plans
Low Carb - Under 30G day, 180G P per day and 72G Fat per day with a bi-weekly carb up consisting of oat, sweet potato, banana, natty pb and veggies as the last meal of the day
- ability to commit
I think you know that I am very dedicated to my plans. I can commit to anything when I am determined to do so
- ability to stick to a plan
Again, when I have a plan, I stick to and I do whatever it takes to stay on track - that includes packing my own meals for family gatherings and holidays
- desire and ability to be meticulous in journaling
Since the day I first joined here I have always had a journal and every single day - even on vacations sometimes, I make sure that I keep my journal up to date with exactly what I ate, drank and what my w/o were and how heavy, need I say more
18-19%
- amount desired to lose
6%
- past dieting history, experience, success, failure
I have tried several diets in the past, everything from low-fat, mod carb diets, to CKD to TKD and in the past year working with DP and w8. I have seen my best results working with DP and w8 using Low Carb, Mod Fat, Mod-high Protein diets. SOmetimes we'd switch it up to just enough carbs so that I don't need any refeed/carb up's - but on this particular plan keeping the carbs up a little I seem to have slow results
- current plans
Low Carb - Under 30G day, 180G P per day and 72G Fat per day with a bi-weekly carb up consisting of oat, sweet potato, banana, natty pb and veggies as the last meal of the day
- ability to commit
I think you know that I am very dedicated to my plans. I can commit to anything when I am determined to do so
- ability to stick to a plan
Again, when I have a plan, I stick to and I do whatever it takes to stay on track - that includes packing my own meals for family gatherings and holidays
- desire and ability to be meticulous in journaling
Since the day I first joined here I have always had a journal and every single day - even on vacations sometimes, I make sure that I keep my journal up to date with exactly what I ate, drank and what my w/o were and how heavy, need I say more
Sounds interesting...
He said 'two' in his first post, Robsy
