Best dumbell curl for biceps?

[Rocco32]

Hey cowpimp, you live close to me!

 

[CowPimp]

Hey cowpimp, you live close to me!

Oh yeah, where are you located?

 

[Johnnny]

rock4832

Now how am I full of shit?!? I don't go around claiming all these outrageous things with absolutely no proof to back them up. And as for your training, put up some pics! Join the IM Comp! You've lost any credibility (not that you ever had any) since you won't step up to the plate. So take your bullshit advice and ram it up your ass!

Personally I really don't give a rat's ass what you believe. All you have to do is check the WWE travel schedule & look when their Montreal date is & come to my gym the morning after Monday Night Raw or on Wednesday morning the day after they film Smack Down & you will see all the wrestlers in my gym.

& they talk to the regular members there a lot.

As for my pics they will be coming soon as I've already said, I've been a bit held back b/c of my finally fixed thyroid condition.

I have not lied about anything I've said.

& since you asked, yes you are full of shit.


CowPimp

Now I know you're full of shit. Why is it that every time there is a
discrepancy involving you, you claim that your gym is some magical place
that attracts all kinds of professional athletes and/or regular gym
goers that could probably compete professionally? Give me a break. You
then proceed to make up information about their training routines. You
need to learn more about training for sports before you make up BS
about professional athlete's training routines. At least make your lies
believable.

Wrestling training hardly incorporates direct bicep training like that.
That is just stupid. Wrestling training is not like bodybuilder
training. They need speed, explosive power, flexibility, stamina, and they
need to maintain a weight class. They're not worried about how big the
peaks of their biceps are. They don't want to gain mass unless they
are a heavyweight, or they are trying to compete in a higher weight
class. Even then, direct bicep work, although it may be used sparingly, is
going to be a waste of their time compared to cleans, snatches, squats,
deadlifts, bench presses, rows, and other heavily compound exercises.

Then why is it that all of them were doing a bicep routine that involved barbell curls & concentration curls?

 

[Rocco32]

Oh yeah, where are you located?

Arlington, VA. My wife was just doing a play in Silver Spring, one of the Churches there.

 

[Rocco32]

What a sad life you lead Johnnny. Seriously, you should stop giving crappy advice and talking about things you don't understand!

 

[Johnnny]

All I am going to say to this ridiculous thread (not made ridiculous by me) is just do a fn' complete bicep routine once or twice a week & your arms will grow.

Pretty crazy analogy eh?

Next it will be written that your calves will grow from doing chest exercises

rock4832

What a sad life you lead Johnnny. Seriously, you should stop giving crappy advice and talking about things you don't understand?

You should stop being a smart ass.

As for my life, it's far, far from sad. It's actually very busy & enjoyable.

Personally telling someone to do a regular bicep routine is by far crappy advice.

Telling someone their biceps will grow from doing solely barbell rows & other back exercises is sh!tty advice.

It's not hard to understand. Isolate your biceps with bicep exercises & your biceps grow.

 

[CowPimp]

rock4832



Personally I really don't give a rat's ass what you believe. All you have to do is check the WWE travel schedule & look when their Montreal date is & come to my gym the morning after Monday Night Raw or on Wednesday morning the day after they film Smack Down & you will see all the wrestlers in my gym.

& they talk to the regular members there a lot.

As for my pics they will be coming soon as I've already said, I've been a bit held back b/c of my finally fixed thyroid condition.

I have not lied about anything I've said.

& since you asked, yes you are full of shit.


CowPimp



Then why is it that all of them were doing a bicep routine that involved barbell curls & concentration curls?

Oh, you're talking about that bullshit WWE wrestling where they basically get paid to act? Bahahaha! I'm talking about olympic wrestling buddy. Those wrestlers are basically just bodybuilders who perform live. Guess what? A lot of them are on steroids too, so they can train their biceps a lot directly and recover a lot faster than a natural lifter.

I love how you respond to my huge statement with that sentence that basically repeats what you said the first time. You offer no more proof, anecdotal or not, and just continue to banter on.

Now, I will say this one more time. Maybe you will understand if I do this:

There is nothing wrong with doing some direct bicep work. However, the bicep is comprised of two small muscles. They do not require very much isolation work. As well, it is not absolutely, 100% neccessary to do isolation work to see size or strength gains.

 

[CowPimp]

Arlington, VA. My wife was just doing a play in Silver Spring, one of the Churches there.

That's cool. I go pretty close to there when I work. I work for Independence Air at Dulles Airport.

 

[Johnnny]

Cowpimp

Oh, you're talking about that bullshit WWE wrestling where they basically get paid to act? Bahahaha! I'm talking about olympic wrestling buddy.

Um I used to do UFC style wrestling myself for about 3yrs & on our training routine, a full bicep routine at least once a week was always included.

 

[Rocco32]

Cowpimp



Um I used to do UFC style wrestling myself for about 3yrs & on our training routine, a full bicep routine at least once a week was always included.

Bullshit!

 

[Rocco32]

That's cool. I go pretty close to there when I work. I work for Independence Air at Dulles Airport.

OK, cool. I work pretty close to there too. I'm off of Rt. 28 at a Lockheed Martin building.

 

[Johnnny]

rock4832

Bullshit!

Sorry dude it's all true.

What you don't believe me that I did UFC type wrestling for 3yrs?

Or you don't believe me that they always included a full bicep routine in our training programs?

Or do you simply not believe me about both?

You are really sad man.

 

[CowPimp]

The most important item for a muscle to grow, in the training department, is for it to be required to forcefully contract again some sort of resistance. Whether it is one of many muscles working or the only muscle working really makes no difference. Your biceps have to do a lot of work when you are rowing a few hundred pounds, whether other muscles are involved or not.

 

[CowPimp]

Cowpimp



Um I used to do UFC style wrestling myself for about 3yrs & on our training routine, a full bicep routine at least once a week was always included.

There is no such thing as UFC style wrestling. You choose what fighting style you would like to use in UFC. You just keep burying yourself deeper in your ignorance.

 

[Rocco32]

There is no such thing as UFC style wrestling. You choose what fighting style you would like to use in UFC. You just keep burying yourself deeper in your ignorance.

 

[Johnnny]

CowPimp

There is no such thing as UFC style wrestling. You choose what
fighting style you would like to use in UFC. You just keep burying yourself
deeper in your ignorance.

If you want to be that specific I did SAMBO which is Russian & was used by the military for many years.

http://members.tripod.com/stratfordsombo/articles/history-2.html

So there

 

[Rocco32]

The most important item for a muscle to grow, in the training department, is for it to be required to forcefully contract again some sort of resistance. Whether it is one of many muscles working or the only muscle working really makes no difference. Your biceps have to do a lot of work when you are rowing a few hundred pounds, whether other muscles are involved or not.

Exactly. Direct Bicep work is not required to build quality biceps. As DD said, one of the best for biceps palms up pull-ups or pulldowns.

 

[Rocco32]

CowPimp



If you want to be that specific I did SAMBO which is Russian & was used by the military for many years.

http://members.tripod.com/stratfordsombo/articles/history-2.html

So there

Bullshit. See, when called bullshit, johnnny can always come up with more lies.

 

[Johnnny]

rock4832

Exactly. Direct Bicep work is not required to build quality biceps. As DD said, one of the best for biceps palms up pull-ups or pulldowns.

 

[Johnnny]

rock4832

Bullshit. See, when called bullshit, johnnny can always come up with more lies.

No lies that was the name of the style that I chose.

I tried some Brazillian Jujitsu first but I became intrigued more with Sambo I guess for the fact that the instructor offered free boxing lessons as well.

 

[CowPimp]

Oh, so now martial arts training requires direct bicep work? God you are so full of shit. Martial arts training rarely even involes heavy resistance exercises.

 

[CowPimp]

Look Johnnny, you can't have it both ways. You say that you shouldn't train the back and biceps together because your biceps are hit hard enough with back exercises so that they are fatigued by the time you would do isolation bicep work. Yet, you say that compound back exercises involving the biceps don't exhibit enough stress on the muscle to induce a comparable amount of hypertrophy or strength increases. Which one is it?

 

[Johnnny]

CowPimp

Oh, so now martial arts training requires direct bicep work? God you
are so full of shit. Martial arts training rarely even involes heavy
resistance exercises.

Our instructor felt it was benefitial to do complete upper & lower body workouts including bicep movements

Look Johnnny, you can't have it both ways. You say that you shouldn't train the back and biceps together because your biceps are hit hard enough with back exercises so that they are fatigued by the time you would do isolation bicep work. Yet, you say that compound back exercises involving the biceps don't exhibit enough stress on the muscle to induce a comparable amount of hypertrophy or strength increases. Which one is it?

Yes I do agree that back exercises have a hypertrophy effect on the arms which is why you shouldn't train them on the same day or back to back days to have an efficient bicep routine.

But what the point is an individual should not expect their biceps to grow to their maximum potential by only performing back exercises.

An individual also needs to do a bicep routine to make their biceps grow to their potential.

This is the point.

There's no both ways here. Just stating the fact.

If I never did biceps & just relied on my back exercises to build my arms my arms would not be what they are nor would I be barbell curling 125-130lbs.

 

[Rocco32]

If I never did biceps & just relied on my back exercises to build my arms my arms would not be what they are nor would I be barbell curling 125-130lbs.

Bullshit

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Wow.

Duncans is not 300lbs he is around 230lbs. He said he uses 300lbs for reverse narrow grip chin ups.

I do regular chin ups, not close grip, with about 300 pounds including bw. I consider placing the biceps in a weakened position during a chin up completely ridiculous (personally), so the only chin I've ever done is supinated.

But regardless, I don't know why a big person would not do chin ups...many people consider it to be one of the top 5 movements you can perform. After Deadlifts, Squats, Bench and Military presses, I'd take chin ups over any other exercise..

The argument your making is simply that you've heard a lot of big guys don't do them. That's not true. I know lots of guys who are massive that do them.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Johnnny, how would working your biceps indireclty on back day and then again harder at a later time in the week be good for your biceps? There is no way that such a small muscle group can handle the same kind of progress or volume as, say, the lats or the legs. Come on...

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Next it will be written that your calves will grow from doing chest exercises

This juxtaposition is ludicrous at best. The reason that certain back exercises hit the biceps is because the lats work in moving the arms. The bicep is one of many "weak links" in back routines.

Telling someone their biceps will grow from doing solely barbell rows & other back exercises is sh!tty advice.

No, it is not shitty advice. Considering that very few people have big arms, and most people do ridiculous amounts of volume more than two or three times a week on their biceps, I would consider your advice (which is aligned with what most of these people do) to be the kind not well taken...volume for the arms can be DETRIMENTAL if taken to extremes.

 

[Rocco32]

Preach it DD!

 

[CowPimp]

CowPimp



Our instructor felt it was benefitial to do complete upper & lower body workouts including bicep movements



Yes I do agree that back exercises have a hypertrophy effect on the arms which is why you shouldn't train them on the same day or back to back days to have an efficient bicep routine.

But what the point is an individual should not expect their biceps to grow to their maximum potential by only performing back exercises.

An individual also needs to do a bicep routine to make their biceps grow to their potential.

This is the point.

There's no both ways here. Just stating the fact.

If I never did biceps & just relied on my back exercises to build my arms my arms would not be what they are nor would I be barbell curling 125-130lbs.

How many times do I have to repeat myself? Seriously. I'm not sure you actually comprehend what you read. I said that your version of a bicep routine is fine. All I said was the volume of this routine should be much lower than that of larger bodyparts. The reason for this is because the biceps are heavily targeted already with compound pulling movements.

Now, I did say that a bicep routine involving isolation exercises is not neccessary. You don't have to believe me, but it works for me. Others can try it, and I hope it works for them. If it doesn't, then they can continue with as much isolation work as they need.

You find a man that can do supinated chinups with two plates dangling between their legs, and I will show you a man with large and strong biceps.

 

[Johnnny]

rock4832

Bullshit

Personally I think you are always saying this phrase b/c you have a very limited vocabulary & are uneducated

If I never did biceps & just relied on my back exercises to build my arms my arms would not be what they are nor would I be barbell curling 125-130lbs.

But this is the truth. Just b/c you can't curl 125lbs doesn't mean that nobody can.

I have been training since I was 15yrs old & for the 1st 5yrs was training for size/power for football.

& with all the trouble that my Hyper thyroid condition then converted to hypo thyroid due to an alteration in my treatment last year I'm still managing to get my body half way back to what it was.


Let me gues rock, you will say bullshit to all of this right?

Like I said limited vocabulary & uneducated

CowPimp

How many times do I have to repeat myself? Seriously. I'm not sure you actually comprehend what you read. I said that your version of a bicep routine is fine. All I said was the volume of this routine should be much lower than that of larger bodyparts. The reason for this is because the biceps are heavily targeted already with compound pulling movements.

I think 6-9 sets maximum for biceps is just fine

Duncans Donuts

This juxtaposition is ludicrous at best. The reason that certain back exercises hit the biceps is because the lats work in moving the arms. The bicep is one of many "weak links" in back routines.

It's called sarcasm

No, it is not shitty advice. Considering that very few people have big arms, and most people do ridiculous amounts of volume more than two or three times a week on their biceps, I would consider your advice (which is aligned with what most of these people do) to be the kind not well taken...volume for the arms can be DETRIMENTAL if taken to extremes.

Let me guess you're the only one who has big arms right?

My bicep routine will not cause over training & it is the perfect routine that many ppl for many, many years have been using.

3 different bicep exercises to hit the muscle from all angles.

A typical bicep routine that I've seen thousands of ppl do since I started training at 15yrs old is

2-3 sets of standing barbell curls, 2-3 sets of standing db hammer curls, 2-3 sets of a preacher or concentration curl.

& so far for years it has been the most beneficial bicep routine.

To me it just sounds like ppl don't want to take the time to do a complete bicep routine.