Best dumbell curl for biceps?

[CowPimp]

1. If you think an 18 or 19 inch arm for natural than what do you consider large for a natural training person?

I'm not 19 probably about 18 inches & I'm only 200lbs

That's you Johnnny, not many people. Get your facts straight. On top of that, it is very obvious that you are totally estimating the size of your arms. You're "probably" about 18 inches.

2. As far as the other natrual training ppl who follow a regular weekly bicep routine they average at least 17 inches if not more.

Are you kidding me? Stop pulling numbers out of your ass. Very few people have 17 inch arms at a decent level of bodyfat.

How about the simple proof that my arms have grown in size & strenght.

Obviously you have never tried cutting out direct arm work, so you really have nothing to compare it to.

Let me guess your bicep routine starts off with Barbell rows, then on to some chins, some T-bar rows & I guess instead of preacher or concentration curls you'll finish off your bicep routine with seated cable rows.

Currently, I do no direct bicep work because I am doing a powerlifting routine. However, my bicep routine will consist of 2-3 working sets if and when I choose to do a bodybuilding routine again.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Johnnny doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

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I guess this thread replaces the upper pec thread,

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[Duncans Donuts]

I don't say that to insult Johnnny, really. But the contention that his method is the world's greatest because "he said so" and we're all lazy incompetents is ridiculous.

 

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[Dmwrss]

regular curls are more conventional so of course people are going to believe that that exercise is more responsible for growth than any other curling exercise that they do. Incline curls are good for stretching the muscle leaving a better impression on the exercise. Hammercurls I believe are more beneficial for optimal bicep growth. Reason being is that it is working the larger muscle of the two. The longer head. Or should I say more stress is on that specific part of the muscle. More weight can be applied as well. Also its a very natural movement. Whenever someone lifts their arm without any weights in it, 9 times out of 10 the hand is going to be in the same position as if you were doing a hammer curl.

this is strictly my opinion mixed with factual comments.

 

[Johnnny]

Duncans Donuts

Johnnny doesn't know what he's talking about.

I guess you know everything then.

All hail Duncans Donuts has spoken

 

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[Johnnny]

Duncans Donuts

I don't say that to insult Johnnny, really. But the contention that his method is the world's greatest because "he said so" and we're all lazy incompetents is ridiculous.

You put words in my mouth again.

I never said that "my method" was the absolute world's greates method for bicep building.

Nor did I ever claim it to be "my method".

My whole point is that an individual should not rely on back exercises such as chins, barbell rows, T-Bar Rows, 1-arm Rows, seated cable rows & lat pulldown's for building the biceps over a bicep routine.

The type of routine I follow I've learned from my old strength coach & other natural & steroid enhanced bodybuilders.

As for the lazy business, I never directly said that.

What I said was it doesn't sound like you want to do a regular full bicep routine.

But I would never rely on back exercises for bicep strength or growth ever.

Nor would I ever do back/bi's on the same day or back to back days for the reason of fatigue.

Yes your biceps get worked during a back routine, but not in the proper manner compared to bicep exercises.

 

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[Duncans Donuts]

You arbitrarily invented what a "full bicep routine" is. I consider what I do a full bicep routine. Your contention that it's not is based on standards you made up based on your natural genius bodybuilder friends and strength training coaches.

Johnny, will you post pictures of yourself up, so we can see what you look like? I'm really curious.

but not in the proper manner compared to bicep exercises.

WHY?

y whole point is that an individual should not rely on back exercises such as chins, barbell rows, T-Bar Rows, 1-arm Rows, seated cable rows & lat pulldown's for building the biceps over a bicep routine.

Why? TENSION IS TENSION. Your muscles don't know the difference of angles, just the tension. Don't get that?

 

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[Johnnny]

Duncans Donuts

Johnny, will you post pictures of yourself up, so we can see what you look like? I'm really curious.

Why should I have to?

Gopro doesn't have any pics in his gallery (No offense to you Gopro or criticism) just pointing out something here.

What do you really think I'm some 240lb slob with no muscle?


I haven't lie about anything or my body.

As for pics I'm still in the middle of toning up.

You try getting rid of uncontrollably gained body fat caused by a thyroid condition.

What I had when I had it after the alteration in my treatment, I had my thyroid shut down for 6 months & my metabolism along with it became very low.

So you can imagine what problems this caused to my physique.

But that's on track now & during this ordeal I went from a 34 inch waist to a 36 which wasn't my fault.

For those who no anything about the thyroid or have experienced what I have with their thyroid you know what I'm talking about.

But I've got my waist back down to a 34 at 200lbs & have re-gained a lot of power I lost since a few years ago.

Pics should be coming in soon.

But I don't lie.

Why? TENSION IS TENSION. Your muscles don't know the difference of angles, just the tension. Don't get that?

So what you're saying is that barbell rows will build bigger & stronger biceps than standing barbell curls will?

Give me a break.

As I said it is tension, but not the same tension or the tension required to build bigger/stronger biceps.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Personally I switch off between reg's and incline's. I like preacher curls as well.

If you are still looking at this thread LittleKid don't pay attention to all the guys going at each other here. Most of the time we all get along great. Even those of us that do not like each other still keep it together. Just keep coming around LK as these negative conversations are not really what this site is about. 99% of the time it is all good in the neighborhood. Even in this mild little confrontation you are still seeing several view points which is really why you are here anyways. You'll get to know the real lifters that you can learn from on these boards ... and there are many!!!

Take care LK and keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Duncans Donuts]

So what you're saying is that barbell rows will build bigger & stronger biceps than standing barbell curls will?

Supinated chin ups will.

ten·sion Audio pronunciation of "tension" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tnshn)
n.
a.
1. A force tending to stretch or elongate something.
2. A measure of such a force: a tension on the cable of 50 pounds.

As I said it is tension, but not the same tension or the tension required to build bigger/stronger biceps.

My apologies, is there a special kind of tension that the biceps feel when doing curls that it doesn't feel when contracted via a chin-up? A Johnnny® approved tension?

Gopro doesn't have any pics in his gallery

What the hell does Gopro have to do with anything? Gopro doesn't wander around threads boasting about himself and then claiming others methods are wrong, explaining to us that his tension is a better kind of tension.

 

[chris mason]

You arbitrarily invented what a "full bicep routine" is. I consider what I do a full bicep routine. Your contention that it's not is based on standards you made up based on your natural genius bodybuilder friends and strength training coaches.

Johnny, will you post pictures of yourself up, so we can see what you look like? I'm really curious.



WHY?



Why? TENSION IS TENSION. Your muscles don't know the difference of angles, just the tension. Don't get that?

I agree with this statement in general (about tension). That said, there is a difference between a chin and a curl. The chin is a multiple joint movement that has a very different dynamic in terms of the forearm flexors vs. a barbell curl (for example). Yes, the chin will build your upper arms. That said, the barbell curl will build them to a greater degree.

Now, I say this from empirical evidence and my pondering of why this is so. Without having the equipment or desire to perform the equations of related force on a given muscle or muscles during the 2 movements it makes sense to me that there is a difference in the 2 movements and thus the results for the forearms flexors.

Chins can build your biceps, but barbell curls will build them better.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Take notes from that, Johnnny.

Don't chin-ups work the biceps around two joint axes (shoulder and elbow) - wherein during curls, the only joint worked around is the elbow?

I'm pondering out loud. In any case, notice how CM was articulate and explained rationally his thoughts? Take notes, Johnnny cake.

 

[Rocco32]

What the hell does Gopro have to do with anything? Gopro doesn't wander around threads boasting about himself and then claiming others methods are wrong, explaining to us that his tension is a better kind of tension.

Because Johnnny has a crush on Gopro. Besides the fact that Gopro specifically asked Johnnny NOT to use his name in a thread again.

 

[Randy]

I do close grip v-bar pull ups ... Seems to be working nicely for my lats.
But does work the biceps too.

Supinated chin ups will.


ten·sion Audio pronunciation of "tension" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tnshn)
n.
a.
1. A force tending to stretch or elongate something.
2. A measure of such a force: a tension on the cable of 50 pounds.



My apologies, is there a special kind of tension that the biceps feel when doing curls that it doesn't feel when contracted via a chin-up? A Johnnny® approved tension?



What the hell does Gopro have to do with anything? Gopro doesn't wander around threads boasting about himself and then claiming others methods are wrong, explaining to us that his tension is a better kind of tension.

 

[LittleKid]

Personally I switch off between reg's and incline's. I like preacher curls as well.

If you are still looking at this thread LittleKid don't pay attention to all the guys going at each other here. Most of the time we all get along great. Even those of us that do not like each other still keep it together. Just keep coming around LK as these negative conversations are not really what this site is about. 99% of the time it is all good in the neighborhood. Even in this mild little confrontation you are still seeing several view points which is really why you are here anyways. You'll get to know the real lifters that you can learn from on these boards ... and there are many!!!

Take care LK and keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea thats basically what i've been doing, I like incline curls alot more though, since I started doing them I decreased my reps and increased the weight. It's funny how many muscles you can work with just dumbells

 

[Randy]

You're pretty funny MinO

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[Randy]

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[Johnnny]

All hail Duncans Donuts

He is the best weightlifter in the world & knows everything & we should all do exactly what he does if we want to achieve optimal growth.

Take out a pen ppl, no more bicep training. Just use our back exercises to equally build our biceps.

A regular set of bicep exercises are useless

 

[Randy]

I was reading my horoscope........

I am going for walk...be back in about an hour.
I'm going to go build my biceps while walking

Sorry...couldn't resist that one

And that wasn't meant as an insult toward anyone..just thought it went with the thread