Best dumbell curl for biceps?

[KarlW]

Maybe your biceps actually enjoyed the abuse?

 

[Johnnny]

CowPimp

Stop pretending you are smart by regurgitating random phrases you have read throughout the Internet or in BB magazines, yet you don't understand. The real key to hypertrophy is progressive resistance, not a multitude of "angles & grips."

I'm not pretending I'm smart or conjuring up phrases I've read on the net or books.

I'm stating what I've known for years, & duh the key to muscular growth is resitance.

But you have to isolate the muscle that you are trying to make bigger.
& that resistance coming in the form of different angles & grips will make the muscles develop as you are hitting it from all sides using a variety of angles & grips.

If you constantly use the same angle or grip with resitance, the muscles will get used to the same constant grip & angle & won't grow as effectively.

This is why variety is so important.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

nonsense, as usual, a basic lack of understanding in everything from physiology to physics

 

[camarosuper6]

I'm not pretending I'm smart or conjuring up phrases I've read on the net or books

Wrong

But you have to isolate the muscle that you are trying to make bigger

Wrong

[/QUOTE]If you constantly use the same angle or grip with resitance, the muscles will get used to the same constant grip & angle & won't grow as effectively.

Wrong

 

[Johnnny]

Duncans Donuts

nonsense, as usual, a basic lack of understanding in everything from physiology to physics

All hail the all great know it all DD has spoken

I know someone who knows what he's talking about who would agree with me & you know who he is.

But we all know that DD relies on back exercises for his biceps.


http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=35431

I can't agree with this thread any more than I already do.

The peak contraction in any "bicep curl" is soooo important.

CamoroSuper6

Wrong

Wrong

Wrong

Another one with a very limited vocabulary.

 

[camarosuper6]

Ok then explain why DD's arms are about 18 inches and why he does very little direct bicep work if any?

 

[camarosuper6]

Dont get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with direct arm work at all. BUT, you dont HAVE to have it to get good growth (as has been said many times already)

 

[camarosuper6]

I have a fine vocabulary Johnnny, Im just stating that your wrong.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I do direct bicep work. One set to failure a weight of an exercise. Should I brag about my weights like Johnnny does? No. I know what works, and I have no problem with what others do, but to say that you HAVE TO HAVE 9 x 9 x 9 exercises/sets/reps is as wrong as me saying that my way is the only way to do things.

 

[Johnnny]

CamaroSuper6

I have a fine vocabulary Johnnny, Im just stating that your wrong.

Robert's link I have included just says it all.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/s...ead.php?t=35431

It's not wrong.

Dont get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with direct arm work at all. BUT, you dont HAVE to have it to get good growth (as has been said many times already)

& who knows maybe your biceps would be bigger if you did more direct isolated work.

You certainly can't peak your bicep while doing a back row of some sort or cable row.

You can only peak your bicep during a curl motion.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

You can only peak your bicep during a curl motion.

THE PEAK? You mean a maximum contraction? Wherein the muscle is optimally shortened?

You can shorten the muscle optimally in a pull up or a row, friend.

 

[camarosuper6]

Thats my problem with your theory too Johnnny. Its that your program is "bad" so to speak. Maybe it works well for you, and thats just fantastic.

However, your reasoning behind your workout and the fact you contend that you MUST do this or MUST do that to acheieve growth is just plain wrong.

 

[Johnnny]

Duncans Donuts

THE PEAK? You mean a maximum contraction? Wherein the muscle is optimally shortened?

You can shorten the muscle optimally in a pull up or a row, friend.

I don't feel much of a bicep contraction while doing my rows. I feel bicep strain, but not much of a contraction compared to biceps.

I do direct bicep work. One set to failure a weight of an exercise. Should I brag about my weights like Johnnny does? No. I know what works, and I have no problem with what others do, but to say that you HAVE TO HAVE 9 x 9 x 9 exercises/sets/reps is as wrong as me saying that my way is the only way to do things.

I only do 3 exercises 9 sets total for biceps.

As for bragging I'm not bragging merely defending myself against a couple of ppl who don't think I train.

 

[Johnnny]

CamaroSuper6

Thats my problem with your theory too Johnnny. Its that your program is "bad" so to speak. Maybe it works well for you, and thats just fantastic.

However, your reasoning behind your workout and the fact you contend that you MUST do this or MUST do that to acheieve growth is just plain wrong.

It's a standard bicep routine that only takes 15min-20mins maximum.

Standing barbell curls & preacher curls is as basic as it gets for bicep training.

There's nothing "bad" about that.

 

[camarosuper6]

Thats great. But you can build great biceps without direct work.

 

[Johnnny]

camarosuper6

Thats great. But you can build great biceps without direct work.

The whole point is why sell yourself short?

Wouldn't you rather have an 18 inch bicep instead of a 17 inch bicep or a 19 inch bicep instead of an 18 inch bicep?

Sure you're getting hypertrophy from back exercises but think of how much more of a bicep contraction you'll get from a 125lb barbell curl peak contraction?

A shit load. & this will make your biceps explode.

I agree that biceps are one of the most overtrained muscles which is why I do no more than 3 exercises 3 sets each totaling 9 sets for biceps at most.

For those who say that standard bicep training doesn't work is full of it.

Anyone can make their biceps grow provided they train them "properly" & eat enough food & protein.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Sure you're getting hypertrophy from back exercises but think of how much more of a bicep contraction you'll get from a 125lb barbell curl peak contraction?

A shit load. & this will make your biceps explode.

That is your opinion. I get a so called peak contraction doing chin ups, I just don't agree that the barbell curl is that much better than a pull up...even though I do both.

 

[Randy]

 

[chris mason]

Just as an aside, peak contraction during a barbell curl is somewhat pointless. There is essentially no resistance for the biceps at the top of a barbell curl due to the physics of the movement (assuming you are standing). So, you are essentially just flexing the muscle when performing a "peak contraction" barbell curl.

 

[Randy]

I am writing this information down

 

[Tha Don]

Just as an aside, peak contraction during a barbell curl is somewhat pointless. There is essentially no resistance for the biceps at the top of a barbell curl due to the physics of the movement (assuming you are standing). So, you are essentially just flexing the muscle when performing a "peak contraction" barbell curl.

nothing wrong with that, i always flex my biceps hard at the top of my bicep curls, mind muscle is very important! its not pointless at all

and johnnnny haven't you shut up yet?

 

[Tha Don]

camarosuper6



The whole point is why sell yourself short?

Wouldn't you rather have an 18 inch bicep instead of a 17 inch bicep or a 19 inch bicep instead of an 18 inch bicep?

Sure you're getting hypertrophy from back exercises but think of how much more of a bicep contraction you'll get from a 125lb barbell curl peak contraction?

A shit load. & this will make your biceps explode.

I agree that biceps are one of the most overtrained muscles which is why I do no more than 3 exercises 3 sets each totaling 9 sets for biceps at most.

For those who say that standard bicep training doesn't work is full of it.

Anyone can make their biceps grow provided they train them "properly" & eat enough food & protein.

this is such bullshit man

thats like saying, DON'T DO BENCH PRESS FOR YOUR CHEST! DO FLYS INSTEAD! AND YOUR CHEST WILL BE INCHES BIGGER!

man it don't matter what exercises you use to rip a muscle, as long as you hit it hard and give your body plenty of rest and nutrition it will grow

i actually bet in most cases the reverse of what you just said! being that if people cut out all these hour-long overtraining biceps workouts comprised of 20 sets of 5 different curling movements and let the bicep work be taken care of through compound/indirect exercises they would have bigger guns (due to less overtraining -> more growth!)

 

[ChrisROCK]

well said Young D

 

[Johnnny]

Duncans Donuts

That is your opinion. I get a so called peak contraction doing chin
ups, I just don't agree that the barbell curl is that much better than a
pull up...even though I do both.

Today I did very strict standing dumbbell curls holding the contraction for 1-2 seconds at the top of every movement just as described in Robert's link.

& just for you I will include the weights I used, 60's, 50's, then 40's & I'll tell you what, my biceps felt like they were going to explode through the skin which is what you want.

young d

this is such bullshit man

thats like saying, DON'T DO BENCH PRESS FOR YOUR CHEST! DO FLYS INSTEAD! AND YOUR CHEST WILL BE INCHES BIGGER!

man it don't matter what exercises you use to rip a muscle, as long as you hit it hard and give your body plenty of rest and nutrition it will grow

i actually bet in most cases the reverse of what you just said! being that if people cut out all these hour-long overtraining biceps workouts comprised of 20 sets of 5 different curling movements and let the bicep work be taken care of through compound/indirect exercises they would have bigger guns (due to less overtraining -> more growth!)

Are you that clueless? Have you read anything that you quoted me on?

I agreed that biceps is one of the most overtrained bodypart.

But I've never said anything about an hour long bicep routine. My bicep routine consists of 3 exercises, 3 sets each totaling 9 sets of biceps. Today it only took me 15mins.

Have you even read the link supplied by Robert?

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/s...ead.php?t=35431


So you agree not to train biceps to make them grow?

Ridiculous.

 

[camarosuper6]

Johnnny we understand that Robert Dimaggio posted something on training biceps. Thats wonderful.

The POINT is you do not have to isolate the biceps to get them to grow.

 

[Johnnny]

camarosuper6

Johnnny we understand that Robert Dimaggio posted something on training
biceps. Thats wonderful.

The POINT is you do not have to isolate the biceps to get them to grow.

So I guess you're another who agrees that barbell rows, T-Bar rows, chins,
1-arm rows, seated cable rows, & lat pulldowns build your biceps just as equally as using a 9 set bicep routine right?

The point is why sell yourself short.

One not take a point from Arnold's play book & train everybody part despite his steroid use he still trained everything equally.

Even for football we still did standing barbell curls & hammer curls.

 

[camarosuper6]

Building your biceps is NOT about one exercise or another, its about overloading your biceps with whatever exercise you do. On palms up pullups, you are overloading your biceps with much more weight than you could use for a regular straight bar curl because it is a compound movement. Progressive Overload is the key to muscle growth, and what better way to do it than by using the exercises that allow you to move the most weight.

 

[Johnnny]

camarosuper6

Building your biceps is NOT about one exercise or another, its about
overloading your biceps with whatever exercise you do. On palms up
pullups, you are overloading your biceps with much more weight than you
could use for a regular straight bar curl because it is a compound
movement. Progressive Overload is the key to muscle growth, and what better way to do it than by using the exercises that allow you to move the most weight.

So you would actually consider barbell or 1-arm rows a compound movement for biceps? This is ridiculous.

Standing barbell curls is a compound movement for biceps not barbell rows or the other rows.

I asked a bunch of long time training ppl at the gym today about this & all thought this was ludicrous, various athletes, trainers, bodybuilders & the average joe all thought this was all ludicrous.

Everyone of them performs a weekly bicep routine & would never give it up.

 

[camarosuper6]

I asked a bunch of long time training ppl at the gym today about this & all thought this was ludicrous, various athletes, trainers, bodybuilders & the average joe all thought this was all ludicrous.

Everyone of them performs a weekly bicep routine & would never give it up.

Well shit, then it must be golden.

 

[camarosuper6]

Not to brag, but I have decent sized arms, for an average person, as does my brother.

Cold, their about 17 inches, give or take a cm. I do exactly ONE set of BB curls per week. My brother does no isolation bicep work, but does do hanging pull ups with negatives and his arms have grown nicely from it. Explain that?