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Best dumbell curl for biceps?
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Johnnny
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camarosuper6
Yes chin ups will work to a certain extent. Just not to the potential as a bicep routine will. Plus just to work his biceps he also has to work out the back with the pull up motion, it's not all biceps.
Why run the risk of over working yourself just to work your biceps when you can work them with a few simple bicep exercises?
Next you will say that you don't work your triceps b/c you get enough tricep work from your chest presses & shoulder presses.
His biceps could grow even more if he did his biceps once or twice a week with low volume.
As I've said there's no reason to sell yourself short.
Yes chin ups will work to a certain extent. Just not to the potential as a bicep routine will. Plus just to work his biceps he also has to work out the back with the pull up motion, it's not all biceps.
Why run the risk of over working yourself just to work your biceps when you can work them with a few simple bicep exercises?
Next you will say that you don't work your triceps b/c you get enough tricep work from your chest presses & shoulder presses.
His biceps could grow even more if he did his biceps once or twice a week with low volume.
As I've said there's no reason to sell yourself short.
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I never said I didnt agree with the fact that your biceps MAY grow from adding some direct work for them but its not set in stone!
And the only tricep work I do as of now is c-g bench and dips and they are larger than ever.
And the only tricep work I do as of now is c-g bench and dips and they are larger than ever.
Johnnny
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camarosuper6
The majority of ppl I've ever spoken to would never give up a strict bicep routine for anything or anyone. I've asked many ppl over the years & today I asked about 12 ppl who all said they'd never give up a bicep routine for growth.
Why is it that most athletes of various sports such as football, powerlifting, basketball, wrestling, hockey, boxing & even golf follow a regular isolated bicep routine? Answer that?
I will give my answer, b/c their strength coach is telling them to b/c of the importance of having a complete overall & equally strong physique.
As for triceps I am only doing cg bench & incline skull crushers with an e-bar, 6 sets total for triceps.
I do my triceps after my back routine which is 6 sets of various rows, 3 sets of either lat pulldowns or seated cable rows with a wide grip bar, & either good mornings or hyper extensions.
My tricep routine only takes 15mins as well.
The majority of ppl I've ever spoken to would never give up a strict bicep routine for anything or anyone. I've asked many ppl over the years & today I asked about 12 ppl who all said they'd never give up a bicep routine for growth.
Why is it that most athletes of various sports such as football, powerlifting, basketball, wrestling, hockey, boxing & even golf follow a regular isolated bicep routine? Answer that?
I will give my answer, b/c their strength coach is telling them to b/c of the importance of having a complete overall & equally strong physique.
As for triceps I am only doing cg bench & incline skull crushers with an e-bar, 6 sets total for triceps.
I do my triceps after my back routine which is 6 sets of various rows, 3 sets of either lat pulldowns or seated cable rows with a wide grip bar, & either good mornings or hyper extensions.
My tricep routine only takes 15mins as well.
It looks like your saying something but all I hear isJohnnny said:
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Ugh....
Like I said... nothing wrong with direct bi or tri work, HOWEVER it is not ESSENTIAL to do direct work to make them grow.
Like I said... nothing wrong with direct bi or tri work, HOWEVER it is not ESSENTIAL to do direct work to make them grow.
Johnnny has absolutely no comprehension skills!camarosuper6 said:
But seriously Camaro, I think you should follow Johnnny's different training advice for this comp coming up! 
Johnnny
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rock4832
My comprehension skills are fine.
The things I understand are that you are a conceited, uneducated individual who obviously has nothing better to do than to look for trouble & try to insult me.
I personally think that you are the one who is clueless.
Like I've already said there's no reason to sell yourself short of bicep growth.
NOBODY HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTION, DESPITE STEROID USE WHY DID ARNOLD BELIEVE THE IMPORTANCE OF TRAINING ALL MUSCLES EQUALLY?
Johnnny has absolutely no comprehension skills!
seriously Camaro, I think you should follow Johnnny's different training
advice for this comp coming up!
My comprehension skills are fine.
The things I understand are that you are a conceited, uneducated individual who obviously has nothing better to do than to look for trouble & try to insult me.
I personally think that you are the one who is clueless.
Like I've already said there's no reason to sell yourself short of bicep growth.
NOBODY HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTION, DESPITE STEROID USE WHY DID ARNOLD BELIEVE THE IMPORTANCE OF TRAINING ALL MUSCLES EQUALLY?
camarosuper6 said:
Excatly. Johnnny, this is not a black and white issue. Will your biceps grow without direct work? Yes. Will your biceps grow with direct work? Yes. Will the growth be optimal one way or another? Well, you have to try both methods before you can say so.
Personally, I have done a 9 set bicep routine before. I have done a 5-6 set bicep routine. I am currently doing no direct work. Guess what? No direct work has shown the most improvement thus far. So, you cannot tell me that this method doesn't make your biceps grow. As a side note, my diet was fairly consistent throughout all of these routines.
Now, I do plan on implementing direct bicep work into my routine in the future. However, I'm going to try even less volume. I'm going to try 2-4 sets.
Johnnny said:
He started doing steroids at 13. He doesn't know the first thing about training naturally. In fact, he has a lot of completely flawed opinions about bodybulding in general. He says you should do squats in bare feet so you can "feel the Earth." What the fuck difference can that possibly make? Are you going to pull your sweaty socks off in the gym next time because of something Arnold said? I hope not.
Johnnny
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I'm not trying to criticise you, but you totally contradict yourself in everything & the arguements that you have put up.
If you believe this post than there was no need for you to put up such an arguement.
Personally I have done both & direct bicep work is much better.
Direct bicep work is by far superior.
I guess no one can answer my question to Arnold's beliefs of equality in his training?
It is a very good point.
I'm not trying to criticise you, but you totally contradict yourself in everything & the arguements that you have put up.
If you believe this post than there was no need for you to put up such an arguement.
Personally I have done both & direct bicep work is much better.
Direct bicep work is by far superior.
I guess no one can answer my question to Arnold's beliefs of equality in his training?
It is a very good point.
Johnnny
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CowPimp
Actually it was 16yrs old so he did train naturally for a few years.
The bare feet comment has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
But as other members here have pointed out in the past that you still need to train properly even while taking steroids.
& Arnold did just that.
As I've seen ppl take steroids make not much gains at all.
Actually it was 16yrs old so he did train naturally for a few years.
The bare feet comment has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
But as other members here have pointed out in the past that you still need to train properly even while taking steroids.
& Arnold did just that.
As I've seen ppl take steroids make not much gains at all.
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It's definitely 13.
Sure it does. It is in reference to Arnold's credibility. Just because he is big, doesn't mean he is smart.
Yes, but your muscles recover exponentially faster when you are on steroids. He can do a lot of sets for his biceps without overtraining them because of the juice.
Johnnny you are a goddamn moron. You claim Ephedra caused your hypothyroidism, then use it as an excuse to why you aren't as strong as you used to be. The shtick is old, and your arguments are ridiculous, because you are arguing that your opinion is really the only way to do it.
Do the little logo with the guy praising me again, I love that. It's exactly where you should be, too, on your knees. Your anecdotes are fucking stupid and so are you.
Stop bringing up Robert DiMaggio's post over and over again, your dick sucking is tiresome. You pick a person people respect and ride their coattails. I do one set to failure for my biceps, so I do believe in some isolated bicep work, but the idea that it's the only way to do it is wrong. Palm up chinups are, imo, good enough because of how much weight is used.
What's funny is that most people don't disagree with you that sharply, but your point it's your way or the highway that's fucking dumb. All your non specific MY BUDDY AND THIS BODYBUILDER I WORKED WITH BACKS ME UP is annoying, stfu and stfd pls.
Oh and the post you made about how YOUR BICEPS WERE EXPLODING OUT OF YOUR ARMS and you told me specifically what your weights are, I DON'T F'N CARE, I don't believe you and the weights themselves don't impress me. Keep chasing that pump though.
Do the little logo with the guy praising me again, I love that. It's exactly where you should be, too, on your knees. Your anecdotes are fucking stupid and so are you.
Stop bringing up Robert DiMaggio's post over and over again, your dick sucking is tiresome. You pick a person people respect and ride their coattails. I do one set to failure for my biceps, so I do believe in some isolated bicep work, but the idea that it's the only way to do it is wrong. Palm up chinups are, imo, good enough because of how much weight is used.
What's funny is that most people don't disagree with you that sharply, but your point it's your way or the highway that's fucking dumb. All your non specific MY BUDDY AND THIS BODYBUILDER I WORKED WITH BACKS ME UP is annoying, stfu and stfd pls.
Oh and the post you made about how YOUR BICEPS WERE EXPLODING OUT OF YOUR ARMS and you told me specifically what your weights are, I DON'T F'N CARE, I don't believe you and the weights themselves don't impress me. Keep chasing that pump though.
Johnnny said:
When did I contradict myself? Please explicity point out the contradiction, and I will clarify myself.
I said that people should try no direct arm work. I said people should try very little direct arm work. It is something worth trying. If it doesn't work better, then continue with your old routine. I don't care. I'm here to help. However, 9 sets of direct bicep work is not the only way to go. As you can plainly see, low volume of direct work has benefited a lot of people here.
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Johnnny you can keep your training theories to yourself form now on.
Johnnny
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Normally this is well below my level, I can't believe I'm sinking to the level of the few other jackasses here as it's totally against everything I believe in.
BUt I think you deserve it here.
F^CK YOU MAN. You are even more now a conceited, uneducated asshole than I ever thought.
To laugh at somebodies medical sufferings is very low. & you don't even have the damn information correct dude.
If you knew anything you would know that the ephedrine/ephedra & thermogenics supps greatly elevate your thyroid levels.
If you knew anything about endocrinology & medicine in general you would know that in some ppl even after the supplement is ceased, some ppl reacte badly to it & their thyroid levels remain permanently high. Just as in any drug, supplement or steroid, sometimes ppl react badly to it & have negative health affects.
& IT WAS HYPERTHYROIDISM learn to read. Hyperthyroidism burns lean body mass if you knew anything about the thyroid.
There are other members with thyroid conditions on this forum if you read through this thread.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=30121
So with this said you really are ignorant & conceited. Someone with Diabetes a medical condition, you'd think that you'd realize that medical conditions can strongly affect your athletic performance & your physique.
Hyperthyroid causes you to burn lean body mass at a very high speed.
I think an endocrinologist knows more than you about those supplements.
Yes these supplements are the reason why I am not as big or strong as I was before.
You don't think if you lose 30lbs of lean mass in a short time period of 4 weeks that you're not going to lose size & power? Of course you will.
You don't know what you're talking about.
As far as biceps go I would never eliminate it for anyone or anything.
Normally this is well below my level, I can't believe I'm sinking to the level of the few other jackasses here as it's totally against everything I believe in.
BUt I think you deserve it here.
F^CK YOU MAN. You are even more now a conceited, uneducated asshole than I ever thought.
To laugh at somebodies medical sufferings is very low. & you don't even have the damn information correct dude.
If you knew anything you would know that the ephedrine/ephedra & thermogenics supps greatly elevate your thyroid levels.
If you knew anything about endocrinology & medicine in general you would know that in some ppl even after the supplement is ceased, some ppl reacte badly to it & their thyroid levels remain permanently high. Just as in any drug, supplement or steroid, sometimes ppl react badly to it & have negative health affects.
& IT WAS HYPERTHYROIDISM learn to read. Hyperthyroidism burns lean body mass if you knew anything about the thyroid.
There are other members with thyroid conditions on this forum if you read through this thread.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=30121
So with this said you really are ignorant & conceited. Someone with Diabetes a medical condition, you'd think that you'd realize that medical conditions can strongly affect your athletic performance & your physique.
Hyperthyroid causes you to burn lean body mass at a very high speed.
I think an endocrinologist knows more than you about those supplements.
Yes these supplements are the reason why I am not as big or strong as I was before.
You don't think if you lose 30lbs of lean mass in a short time period of 4 weeks that you're not going to lose size & power? Of course you will.
You don't know what you're talking about.
As far as biceps go I would never eliminate it for anyone or anything.
Ephedra didn't cause your hyperthyroidism. That's bullshit.
I never use my diabetes as an excuse, like you do all the time. Stop your whining and don't call me uneducated you faggot ass moron.
Got any more anecdotes to proove your points? I had a doctor tell me yesterday that by doing more volume in a workout you would be achieving a tone. Doctors can be ignorant.
And for reference, I didn't laugh at your condition, but I don't give a fuck with all the shit you've accused me of, from being lazy to being on gear. Cry me a river bitch.
I never use my diabetes as an excuse, like you do all the time. Stop your whining and don't call me uneducated you faggot ass moron.
Got any more anecdotes to proove your points? I had a doctor tell me yesterday that by doing more volume in a workout you would be achieving a tone. Doctors can be ignorant.
And for reference, I didn't laugh at your condition, but I don't give a fuck with all the shit you've accused me of, from being lazy to being on gear. Cry me a river bitch.
Johnnny
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Duncans Donuts
You're bullshit so shut the f^ck up as you aren't a f^cking endocrinologist.
You know shit about endocrinology ok.
As I've already explained my regular family doctor performed annual TSH tests to check my thyroid level for years since I was young.
There were NEVER, EVER, any thyroid dysfunctions after 20yrs until I took the ephedrine/ephedra supplements.
The endocrinologist specifically told me that some ppl react badly to them & that their thyroid levels remain permanently high even after use of the supplement is ceased.
So shut the f^ck up Mr.Know it all & stop trying to be an endocrinologist.
You're bullshit so shut the f^ck up as you aren't a f^cking endocrinologist.
You know shit about endocrinology ok.
As I've already explained my regular family doctor performed annual TSH tests to check my thyroid level for years since I was young.
There were NEVER, EVER, any thyroid dysfunctions after 20yrs until I took the ephedrine/ephedra supplements.
The endocrinologist specifically told me that some ppl react badly to them & that their thyroid levels remain permanently high even after use of the supplement is ceased.
So shut the f^ck up Mr.Know it all & stop trying to be an endocrinologist.
I am an official licenced endocrinologist ....
Please step into my office for a free consultation .
Please step into my office for a free consultation .
Don't let his teeth fool ya Johnnny, as he comes with the highest of recommendations. 
Ummm, I call bullshit also! And I'm friends and used to work with several endocrinologists and THEY cry bullshit.Johnnny said:
It's funny that your waist went from 34 to 42 inches (as you've claimed) when you had hyperthyroidism...and you lost 30 pounds of muscles, too. Strange that you could pack on so much fat, lose so much muscle when your thyroid is stimulated to burn everything
Johnnny
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rock4832
Yeah right & I work with the Govenor of Kulifornia.
You aren't an endocrinologist & I highly doubt you know any & someone as uneducated as yourself would even be able to comprehend what they are saying.
You are just one of those conceited jagoff's here who likes to get on ppl's cases.
& yes the ephedrine/ephedra did cause my hyperthyroid.
If you knew anything about how those supplements work, you'd know that they greatly raise your thyroid levels.
& you'd also know that not everyone reacts the same to drugs or supplements.
There are many ppl who don't have thyroid conditions who've taken these supplements & have had their thyroids remain high after use of the supplement has been ceased & hence hyperthyroidism is in play amongst these individuals.
You aren't an endocrinologist. You should stick to what your best at & in this case being a jack ass.
Yeah right & I work with the Govenor of Kulifornia.
You aren't an endocrinologist & I highly doubt you know any & someone as uneducated as yourself would even be able to comprehend what they are saying.
You are just one of those conceited jagoff's here who likes to get on ppl's cases.
& yes the ephedrine/ephedra did cause my hyperthyroid.
If you knew anything about how those supplements work, you'd know that they greatly raise your thyroid levels.
& you'd also know that not everyone reacts the same to drugs or supplements.
There are many ppl who don't have thyroid conditions who've taken these supplements & have had their thyroids remain high after use of the supplement has been ceased & hence hyperthyroidism is in play amongst these individuals.
You aren't an endocrinologist. You should stick to what your best at & in this case being a jack ass.
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