Best dumbell curl for biceps?

[Johnnny]

Duncans Donuts

It's funny that your waist went from 34 to 42 inches (as you've
claimed) when you had hyperthyroidism...and you lost 30 pounds of muscles,
too. Strange that you could pack on so much fat, lose so much muscle when
your thyroid is stimulated to burn everything

You've made it clear that you can't read either.

You really can't read or have payed any attention to what happened to me as I've explained it over & over again.


In the year 2000/01 I lost 30lbs of lean body mass/power & strength. My waist was about a 33. & I dropped from 227lbs with %12-%14BF to a burnt out & weak 200lbs as the hyperthyroidism made it impossible for me to train or gain weight. & it also caused insomnia at night & made me sleep during the day.

For 3yrs I was taking a medication called Tapazole to keep the thyroid from WORKING TOO MUCH (hyperthyroidism).

I was getting this treatment for 3yrs.

Are we following?

Then in 2003 August, the endocrinologist wanted to alter my thyroid treatment b/c in 2002 I had a flare up & had lost 8lbs in one week & they needed to give me more Tapazole.

In August 2003 they gave me a very large dose of Iodine. In large enough doses it will shut down your body's thyroid production.

Therefore you will need SYNTHROID to replace the thyroid hormone.

Yet it took from August 2003 to January 2004 before I could take any SYNTHROID's.

So for those 5 months from August 2003 to January 2004 I HAD NO THYROID HORMONE WHICH BASICALLY PUT ME IN THE "HYPO"THYROIDISM STATE.

If you knew anything about thyroid function you'd know that with hypothyroidism an individual is greatly prone to weight gain even while following a proper diet & exercise training regime.

My endocrinologist, she warned me that I'd probably gain weight no matter how much dieting & training I did.

& she was right during those 5 months Aug2003-Jan2004 is when my waist exploded from a 34 to a 36 inch waist (not 42 like you said).

Anyone else here who's had thyroid problems has similar stories.

Just read the pages of that thyroid thread & you will see their sufferings.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

 

[Rocco32]

rock4832



Yeah right & I work with the Govenor of Kulifornia.

You aren't an endocrinologist & I highly doubt you know any & someone as uneducated as yourself would even be able to comprehend what they are saying.

You are just one of those conceited jagoff's here who likes to get on ppl's cases.

& yes the ephedrine/ephedra did cause my hyperthyroid.

If you knew anything about how those supplements work, you'd know that they greatly raise your thyroid levels.

& you'd also know that not everyone reacts the same to drugs or supplements.

There are many ppl who don't have thyroid conditions who've taken these supplements & have had their thyroids remain high after use of the supplement has been ceased & hence hyperthyroidism is in play amongst these individuals.

You aren't an endocrinologist. You should stick to what your best at & in this case being a jack ass.

Uh, I never said I was. Again you don't know you read. I said I used to WORK with them you hillbilly fuck.

 

[Rocco32]

Duncans Donuts
Just read the pages of that thyroid thread & you will see their sufferings.

I....just....can't.....stop.....crying! Your made up story is soooo sad. Heres a Hanky to blow your nose-

 

[Duncans Donuts]

 

[camarosuper6]

Lets not concern ourselves with Johnnny anymore. It is not worth the time or frustration.

 

[CowPimp]

Lets not concern ourselves with Johnnny anymore. It is not worth the time or frustration.

If that is the one conclusion that we have come to in this thread, then it's all been worth it.

 

[camarosuper6]

Bingo.

 

[Rocco32]

Lets not concern ourselves with Johnnny anymore. It is not worth the time or frustration.

Naw man. I find it fun and entertaining. I can practice my insults and trashtalk on him, then when I get good enough I'm coming to your journal

 

[Rocco32]

Provided by Rockgazer

Hey Johnnny-

 

[Johnnny]

rock4832

I also said

You aren't an endocrinologist & I highly doubt you know any & someone as uneducated as yourself would even be able to comprehend what they are saying.

I....just....can't.....stop.....crying! Your made up story is soooo sad. Heres a Hanky to blow your nose-

All I have to say is you can cuck on my pussy juice soaked balls.

You are a fucking asshole, & you & Duncan are a perfect fit. You guys are made for eachother. You should start spending more "quality" time getting to know eachother "better".

I'm not making any of this stuff up.

As I stated I never had thyroid problems prior to using these ephedrine/ephedra supplements.

If you don't want to believe that, you can both go fuck yourselves & eachother while your at it.

Again none of you are an endocrinologist & many doctors don't know what the fuck they are doing.

It was doctors that gave my Mother Prednisone/Cortisone in 1982 w/o a calcium supplement that gave her Osteoporosis that she is bed ridden now.

The new doctor she has now says that the old doctor did not know what the fuck he's doing.

For many ppl women especially when taking high doses of prednisone/cortisone, it is required to also give a calcium supplement to protect the bones.

If it wasn't for that idiot doctor, she wouldn't be in as much trouble as she is now.

My endocrinologist has been doing it for the past 25yrs so I know she knows everything there is to know about the thyroid & it's behavior, & what drugs/supplements cause thyroid conditions & affect ppl who already have conditions.

I hope you guys take the ephedrine/ephedra supplements in a high quantity & you guys develop a hyperthyroid & lose your physique's & see how it is.

Go fuck yourselves

 

[min0 lee]

Johnny, please let it go. Why must you be so stubborn, you open yourself up for this.
If you like them use the ignore button, it's as simple as that.

 

[Randy]

If you like them use the ignore button, it's as simple as that.

Why would he add people he likes to the ignore list?
I only put pricks on that list... GR81 is on mine. He's the only one right now I believe..

Most of the people I've encountered with disagreements have turned out to be pretty cool for the most part. I've never been one to hold a Grudge for most things, although in some circumstances some instances are not forgivable.

But you're right MinO. Subjects that you know will cause senseless arguments are best not mentioned. Things like religion, politics, Johnnny's routine (just kidding johnnny).

Seriously though, I think if you people got to know Johnnny, he's a good guy.
We all have our faults. When he believes in something he likes to hold on.
But that is not such a bad thing.

 

[fifteecent]

Debate Summary

Hey I'd like to summarize this debate. It's pretty funny, even with the two people personally insulting each other. Basically one side says to try using compound back movements to build up your biceps and keep direct bicep work to a minimum. The other side understands that compound back exercises will give bicep growth, but to fully realize the potential of growth it is essential to do direct bicep work. From there on, Duncandonuts and someone else started accusing Johnny of being 'his way or the highway' and then the insults started flying.

People tried proving both sides by saying their arms are so big from doing compound only exercises, everyone at their gym says this or that, etc..

Basically, this is a question of muscle recovery. Everyone's muscles recovery at a different rate. Differences in the type of stimulus also factors. This explains why some people only need some compound movements to isolate their biceps. Not only is this type of stimulus-recovery better for them, but they probably concentrate a lot on the biceps when lifting with back, recruiting more bicep motor fibers for the action.

As for the direct bicep work, I personally do many sets of biceps. I sometimes do up to 12 sets. Overtraining? It seems that is the general consensus in these boards, but really, 12 sets does not tell us very much about how much we are really doing. If the time under tension is actually fairly low, then 12 sets is not representative of the overtraining workout we all think it is. For individuals who recover fairly quickly from a back workout (or don't get much of a bicep workout from back), doing direct bicep work can be effective. Many people do it and get results from it. Will YOU get results from it? Maybe, but who really knows? Only yourself, so test out both methods and pick the one that gives you more gains.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

12 sets does not tell us very much about how much we are really doing. If the time under tension is actually fairly low, then 12 sets is not representative of the overtraining workout we all think it is.

We know that the central nervous system gets fried quite easily. I'd assume that 12 sets is overtraining because if you even do that much at a moderate intensity you'd be subjected to some manner of cns pooping out.

If you were doing them all in a high intensity fashion, there'd be no doubt that you would be overtrained IMO...

but they probably concentrate a lot on the biceps when lifting with back, recruiting more bicep motor fibers for the action.

The bicep is a link when working the lats. That means if you are chinning 300 pounds, the biceps HAVE to be strong enough to work with said weight. It's not a matter of focusing more on biceps, it is a matter of the biceps having to play a role in the lifting.

Will YOU get results from it? Maybe, but who really knows? Only yourself, so test out both methods and pick the one that gives you more gains.

Of course you will get results from it, if done progressively. Optimal results? That's a topic for debate, but everyone will get results in one fashion or another.

 

[Randy]

Fifteecent,

I agree with your statement.
There are many factors to consider before coming to the conclusion that one method is better than another. As for back workouts like you say, some people may not be doing as an intense of a back workout as others, and may not be getting as much focus on their biceps. All these things can make a big difference in determining what is best for an individual. I'm not disagreeing with the others here either. Their points may well be valid for them. If you're doing very extensive back work that is working your biceps hard then it only makes sense to cut back on the direct bicep work to compensate for that.

But as you stated...I think both arguments can be true here.

As for the overtraining consensus, well I hear that a lot too. I used to do 12 sets, and for me I seen some good gains, but doing that brought me into a 2 hour workout. It is my understanding that your testosterone shuts down after an hour. So I thought I would cut my sets down to 3 each exercise. Now I'm doing 9 sets and finishing around 1.5 hours. So I think the compromise seems to be working well for me.

 

[min0 lee]

Seriously though, I think if you people got to know Johnnny, he's a good guy.
We all have our faults. When he believes in something he likes to hold on.
But that is not such a bad thing.

I got to talk to him for a bit and he was pretty nice.
Although, he can be as stubborn as a mule he sure stands firmly behind what he say's. Unlike others, who may agree with him prefer to stay quiet.

 

[Rocco32]

rock4832

I also said



All I have to say is you can cuck on my pussy juice soaked balls.

You are a fucking asshole, & you & Duncan are a perfect fit. You guys are made for eachother. You should start spending more "quality" time getting to know eachother "better".

I'm not making any of this stuff up.

As I stated I never had thyroid problems prior to using these ephedrine/ephedra supplements.

If you don't want to believe that, you can both go fuck yourselves & eachother while your at it.

Again none of you are an endocrinologist & many doctors don't know what the fuck they are doing.

It was doctors that gave my Mother Prednisone/Cortisone in 1982 w/o a calcium supplement that gave her Osteoporosis that she is bed ridden now.

The new doctor she has now says that the old doctor did not know what the fuck he's doing.

For many ppl women especially when taking high doses of prednisone/cortisone, it is required to also give a calcium supplement to protect the bones.

If it wasn't for that idiot doctor, she wouldn't be in as much trouble as she is now.

My endocrinologist has been doing it for the past 25yrs so I know she knows everything there is to know about the thyroid & it's behavior, & what drugs/supplements cause thyroid conditions & affect ppl who already have conditions.

I hope you guys take the ephedrine/ephedra supplements in a high quantity & you guys develop a hyperthyroid & lose your physique's & see how it is.

Go fuck yourselves

Gee Johnnny. Am I getting to you?!? Calm down, you don't want to get that hyperthyroidism running again do you?!?

 

[fifteecent]

We know that the central nervous system gets fried quite easily. I'd assume that 12 sets is overtraining because if you even do that much at a moderate intensity you'd be subjected to some manner of cns pooping out.

You'd assume that 12 sets is overtraining, but what is overtraining? Doing to many reps and sets? or not enough recovery?

If you were doing them all in a high intensity fashion, there'd be no doubt that you would be overtrained IMO...

"In your opinion" is key and let's stress that

The bicep is a link when working the lats. That means if you are chinning 300 pounds, the biceps HAVE to be strong enough to work with said weight. It's not a matter of focusing more on biceps, it is a matter of the biceps having to play a role in the lifting.

That's very true, chinups definately require you to flex your forearm a lot. But what about dumbell rows and barbell rows? You do not necessarily have to flex your forearm in its complete range of motion to pull your scapula back. But if you focus on your bicep like I said above, you can make this lift a full bicep motion.

Of course you will get results from it, if done progressively. Optimal results? That's a topic for debate, but everyone will get results in one fashion or another.

No debate in that you will get results from it. That's for sure, working back will recruit motor fibers from your biceps. Would it work your biceps enough to optimally cause strength and hypertrophy? uhh that's very personal.

 

[Johnnny]

rock4832

Gee Johnnny. Am I getting to you?!? Calm down, you don't want to get that hyperthyroidism running again do you?!?

No you are not getting to me.

But when ppl like you & your boy Duncan are being assholes laughing at someone else's medical condition THAT WAS CAUSED BY THOSE EPHEDRINE/EPHEDRA SUPPLEMENTS, I'm going to say something.

Neither of you are fucking endocrinologists nor do I believe that you ever worked with any.

You are just a conceited, uneducated prick.

I hope you get a hyperthyroid condition so you know what it's like.

Like I already said, for yrs my TSH was tested as apart of my annual blood work as the family doctor checked everything.

For yrs I never had a thyroid problem until I used those supplements.

& my endocrinologist had explained that those supplements can react badly in individuals hence giving them hyperthyroidism.

 

[chris mason]

Your endocrinologist is wrong.

Before you go off about me not knowing about thyroid disease please be informed my wife is a Synthroid using hypothyroid individual.

Now, if you already have thyroid problems then your body may handle stimulants differently than a perfectly healthy individual. For instance, when my wife tried my company's thermogen which contains both caffeine and synephrine (the stimulants in the product) she got tired from it as opposed to stimulated. We attributed this reaction to her thyroid problems and use of Synthroid. That does NOT mean that stimulants can cause thyroid problems.

I would suspect that your use of stimulants merely manifested your already existing underlying thyroid problems.

 

[chris mason]

I think 12 sets for biceps for a drug-free individual would result in overtraining for most.

If you are progressing nicely with that kind of volume then it is not gross overtraining for you. You might find that you make even better progress with fewer sets. If you don't then you are just one of those rare individuals with a high capacity for tolerating intense exercise.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

"In your opinion" is key and let's stress that

Everyone knows that this is a discussion of opinion. In understanding the central nervous system and what intense training is, doing one set of balls to the wal 12 times in a day would probably leave someone outrageously "overtrained" for two or three weeks

You'd assume that 12 sets is overtraining, but what is overtraining? Doing to many reps and sets? or not enough recovery?

Overtraining is training too much.

Would it work your biceps enough to optimally cause strength and hypertrophy? uhh that's very personal.

I don't think it would be optimal, I think an addition intensity set of so called "isolation" bicep curls would be a good addition done on a different day with as much weight as possible in good form. I don't know what you mean by it's very personal, we are all bound by similar physiology within the realm of medical science

 

[Rocco32]

rock4832
I hope you get a hyperthyroid condition so you know what it's like.

Thank you. And I hope to meet you some day!

 

[Dmwrss]

my note to all this is that, everything works, but nothing works forever. a muscle movement is a muscle being worked, its up to you whether or not you overload it correctly.

 

[Johnnny]

Chris Mason

Before you go off about me not knowing about thyroid disease please be
informed my wife is a Synthroid using hypothyroid individual.

Now, if you already have thyroid problems then your body may handle
stimulants differently than a perfectly healthy individual. For instance,
when my wife tried my company's thermogen which contains both caffeine
and synephrine (the stimulants in the product) she got tired from it as
opposed to stimulated. We attributed this reaction to her thyroid
problems and use of Synthroid. That does NOT mean that stimulants can
cause thyroid problems.

I would suspect that your use of stimulants merely manifested your
already existing underlying thyroid problems.

It's said to say that it looks like you're another one who can't read.


For years my family doctor performed annual blood work to ensure that I was healthy.

My family doctor also included a TSH blood test. & if you're not sure what that is, it's a blood test that checks the proper function of the thyroid.


With this said for YEARS I NEVER HAD A THYROID CONDITION EVER, NO PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER UNTIL I USED THESE SUPPLEMENTS.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE VERY FIRST PROBLEM I had with my TSH test one summer.

The family doctor immediately sent me to my endocrinologist. The very first thing she asked me was if I was taking any drugs or supplements b/c she thought it was very strange that after all the years of a normal functioning thyroid that it would suddenly be thrown so high out of normal range.

I told her I had been taking the ephedrine/ephedra supplements.

Right away she told me that with some individuals using those supplements can have a permanent effect on their thyroid gland keeping their thyroid in the "hyper" state.

This is what happened to me.


As I explained already I was given a large dose of Iodine August 2003 which is why I gained weight as it shut down my body's thyroid production.

& it took about 5 months before I could take synthroid to replace the hormone. Which is why I gained weight & my waist went from 34 to 36 & why I got a bit fat.

But now that everything is stable I have managed to build back a descent amount of lost muscle, get my strength up for a descently strong 200lbs, get my waist back down to a 34 & have started to tighten up.

 

[CowPimp]

He is trying to say that ephedra activated underlying thyroid problems, although they were lying dormant before. Hence, ephedra isn't going to manifest thyroid problems in a totally healthy individual, but merely activate it in someone who has a propensity for thyroid problems.

 

[Johnnny]

CowPimp

He is trying to say that ephedra activated underlying thyroid problems, although they were lying dormant before. Hence, ephedra isn't going to manifest thyroid problems in a totally healthy individual, but merely
activate it in someone who has a propensity for thyroid problems.

You're another know it all who can't read.

I am going to spell it out in plan english.


I NEVER HAD A PRE-EXISTING THYROID CONDITION PRIOR TO USING THOSE SUPPLEMENTS.


EVER.

Someone with a thyroid condition whether they know it or not is always picked up with a TSH test &/or thyroid scan.


I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH BLOOD WORK BEFORE USING THOSE SUPPLEMENTS.


Just accept it.


Not everybody racts the same to drugs or supplements the same way.


There are drugs & supplements that cause health problems. Look at many of the steroidal anti-inflammitories. They can cause health problems.

You are another one who thinks he's a medical professional. Just sad.

UP UNTIL USE OF THOSE SUPPLEMENTS I WAS %100 HEALTHY FOR YEARS.

 

[min0 lee]

 

[Cold Iron]

Fuck, let this thread die...im sick of looking at it