Best dumbell curl for biceps?

[Johnnny]

Arnie's l nut

Fuck, let this thread die...im sick of looking at it

I might consider it when ppl just accept that it was the ephedrine/ephedra supplements that caused my NON EXISTING THYROID CONDITION.

 

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Fuck, let this thread die...im sick of looking at it

 

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Arnie's l nut



I might consider it when ppl just accept that it was the ephedrine/ephedra supplements that caused my NON EXISTING THYROID CONDITION.

Let it go......I'll give you a big kiss if you do....please

 

[Johnnny]

Mino Lee

Let it go......I'll give you a big kiss if you do....please

Maybe for you

 

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AW.....your so sweet

 

[chris mason]

Chris Mason



It's said to say that it looks like you're another one who can't read.


For years my family doctor performed annual blood work to ensure that I was healthy.

My family doctor also included a TSH blood test. & if you're not sure what that is, it's a blood test that checks the proper function of the thyroid.


With this said for YEARS I NEVER HAD A THYROID CONDITION EVER, NO PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER UNTIL I USED THESE SUPPLEMENTS.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE VERY FIRST PROBLEM I had with my TSH test one summer.

The family doctor immediately sent me to my endocrinologist. The very first thing she asked me was if I was taking any drugs or supplements b/c she thought it was very strange that after all the years of a normal functioning thyroid that it would suddenly be thrown so high out of normal range.

I told her I had been taking the ephedrine/ephedra supplements.

Right away she told me that with some individuals using those supplements can have a permanent effect on their thyroid gland keeping their thyroid in the "hyper" state.

This is what happened to me.


As I explained already I was given a large dose of Iodine August 2003 which is why I gained weight as it shut down my body's thyroid production.

& it took about 5 months before I could take synthroid to replace the hormone. Which is why I gained weight & my waist went from 34 to 36 & why I got a bit fat.

But now that everything is stable I have managed to build back a descent amount of lost muscle, get my strength up for a descently strong 200lbs, get my waist back down to a 34 & have started to tighten up.

Ok guy, here is where I (the one who can't read) call BULLSHIT!!!

Why would your family doctor incorporate a TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone --- yes, I know this shit) test as part of your normal checkups unless you had a family history of thyroid problems. Guess what? He would NOT have.

Now, if you have a family history and thus a possible genetic predisposition to thyroid problems then I think it possible the stimulants somehow manifested a latent or underlying problem.

Stimulants such as ephedra will not cause the problems you mentioned in healthy adults who do not incredibly overdose for an extended period (which makes all bets off).

Your problem is you have a little knowledge and make your own ignorant conclusions based upon that knowledge. Your endocrinologist may be right that some people react to stimulants in the manner you have described. The part you miss is that those individuals have a genetic predisposition to thyroid problems which gets exascerbated or awakened by use/abuse of certain stimulants.

 

[Rocco32]

I love calling Bullshit. It's easy to do with Johnnny since everything he says is bullshit.

 

[Randy]

Mino...

What the hell is this.... "Max the Kellog Corn Flake Killer" or something?
Oh wait.... I get it....Mass Serial (Cereal) Killer

 

[CowPimp]

CowPimp



You're another know it all who can't read.

I am going to spell it out in plan english.


I NEVER HAD A PRE-EXISTING THYROID CONDITION PRIOR TO USING THOSE SUPPLEMENTS.


EVER.

Someone with a thyroid condition whether they know it or not is always picked up with a TSH test &/or thyroid scan.


I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH BLOOD WORK BEFORE USING THOSE SUPPLEMENTS.


Just accept it.


Not everybody racts the same to drugs or supplements the same way.


There are drugs & supplements that cause health problems. Look at many of the steroidal anti-inflammitories. They can cause health problems.

You are another one who thinks he's a medical professional. Just sad.

UP UNTIL USE OF THOSE SUPPLEMENTS I WAS %100 HEALTHY FOR YEARS.

Don't get so testy. I was trying to help clarify Chris Mason's statement. He didn't say you had a pre-existing condition. He said you had greater potential or an underlying disorder (As in something in your genetics that had to be activated by something in the environment).

 

[fifteecent]

Everyone knows that this is a discussion of opinion. In understanding the central nervous system and what intense training is, doing one set of balls to the wal 12 times in a day would probably leave someone outrageously "overtrained" for two or three weeks



Overtraining is training too much.



I don't think it would be optimal, I think an addition intensity set of so called "isolation" bicep curls would be a good addition done on a different day with as much weight as possible in good form. I don't know what you mean by it's very personal, we are all bound by similar physiology within the realm of medical science

Please don't try and generalize "everyone's" opinion on something because many people do not believe what you think. The overall consensus on this board is that it would leave you overtrained but tons of people train with this method and do not get outrageously overtrained so what you say is false.

Not only that but some also find that at 12 sets, this is not overtraining. It is relative as to what you consider 'too much'. there's no arguing this point, many recover much better than others and for the vast majority of people i know, working out on a biceps day does not hinder their growth and strength, it in fact strengthens it. In fact, I know a very well educated and knowledgable exercise physiologist who does 30 sets of biceps AFTER back. I didn't believe him until I saw it and there's no denying his biceps are not lacking nor does he exhibit overtraining symptoms.

Whether you think it is optimal or not doesn't matter. The facts speak for themselves. Although we are all physiologically similar, our variance in recovery speed and stimulus and motor fiber recruit differ. Comon, this is so obvious, don't try to convince yourself otherwise, it's basic physiology.

 

[fifteecent]

Arnie's l nut



I might consider it when ppl just accept that it was the ephedrine/ephedra supplements that caused my NON EXISTING THYROID CONDITION.

Have fun trying to make people accept it. This will be an everlasting thread because not many people here like you so they won't want to believe you. And really, why would you care so much that people believe you about your thyroid condition.

I'd also like to mention that people i've met in your situation have stopped caring if they really did have thyroid problems. The ones who persist and try to convince everyone are trying to convince because it is a lie and what fun is there in lying if nobody believes it?

 

[Randy]

 

[camarosuper6]

tons of people train with this method and do not get outrageously overtrained so what you say is false.

Tons of people also do the same weights year in and year out and never get any bigger. Probably about 3/4 of the people in your average gym fall into this catagory.

Not only that but some also find that at 12 sets, this is not overtraining. It is relative as to what you consider 'too much'. there's no arguing this point, many recover much better than others and for the vast majority of people i know, working out on a biceps day does not hinder their growth and strength, it in fact strengthens it.

Some people also work out with little or no intensity, which is why they can get away with doing 12 sets for biceps and not overtrain. If you workout with the kind of intensity someone like Duncan does, you would grossly overtrain at 12 sets.

WHEN you workout your biceps in your routine is your personal preference.

In fact, I know a very well educated and knowledgable exercise physiologist who does 30 sets of biceps AFTER back. I didn't believe him until I saw it and there's no denying his biceps are not lacking nor does he exhibit overtraining symptoms.

Dont get Johnnny syndrome on us. Just because A certain big person does a certain routine, that doesnt mean that routine is a sound one. 30 sets for biceps is uneccessary. Maybe he does have good biceps. Maybe he is also on steroids. Maybe he is a dumbass. There are a lot of smart people with good intensions in the world with very little actual knowlege.

The facts speak for themselves

What facts are these? If there were so many "facts" we wouldnt need this dicussion board.

Although we are all physiologically similar, our variance in recovery speed and stimulus and motor fiber recruit differ. Comon, this is so obvious, don't try to convince yourself otherwise, it's basic physiology.

Basic physiology doesnt have anything to do with recovery speed. However it does have to do with fiber recruitment, and unlike you just stated, there is a set pattern from smallest to largest in EVERY individual. Fibers dont just start firing at random when you pick up a weight. The heavier the weight, the more fibers recruited.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Whether you think it is optimal or not doesn't matter. The facts speak for themselves. Although we are all physiologically similar, our variance in recovery speed and stimulus and motor fiber recruit differ. Comon, this is so obvious, don't try to convince yourself otherwise, it's basic physiology.

Thanks for the lecture, professor.

Try working out with high intensity for 12 sets. If you can, you aren't really training hard. There is an inverse relationship between duration and intensity. This could probably be classified as fact -a good example is sprinting. Sprint as hard as you can until you collapse. Notice how you eventually collapse? That's because your body can't maintain gut busting intensity for more than a short duration of time.

Now get up. Do it again, until you collapse. And again. And again. After the 3rd or 4rd set you're slow, in a lot of pain, feeling lactic acid burn, and puking your guts. Of course, if you do this every day, not only will you not progressively get faster, you'll probably be sick and lose a great deal of muscle.

Nicely you ignored my point about intensity.

Clearly if you aren't working out hard you can do a lot of sets and still not be grossly overtrained. This is a pump method, what a lot of bodybuilders can do on huge amounts of juice to get bigger without doing anything really hard relative to their capacity.

Whether you think it is optimal or not doesn't matter. The facts speak for themselves

What are the facts again? I must have missed them. The fact that we all have similar physiology but um, different neurological activation patterns or something? That we have different recovery rates? I know that, but one in a million will be able to progress and benefit from vast number of sets at TRUE HIGH INTENSITY, without steroids.

I agree, people who pump somewhat mindlessly with no true methodology can get away with a lot of sets. But they probably won't progress that well (or OPTIMALLY well), unless they are on steroids.

 

[Randy]

Damn.... A Camaro Duncan dogpile on the poor guy

You all make good points though.

 

[Johnnny]

Chris Mason

Ok guy, here is where I (the one who can't read) call BULLSHIT!!!

Why would your family doctor incorporate a TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone --- yes, I know this shit) test as part of your normal checkups unless you had a family history of thyroid problems. Guess what? He would NOT have.

Now, if you have a family history and thus a possible genetic predisposition to thyroid problems then I think it possible the stimulants somehow manifested a latent or underlying problem.

Stimulants such as ephedra will not cause the problems you mentioned in healthy adults who do not incredibly overdose for an extended period (which makes all bets off).

Your problem is you have a little knowledge and make your own ignorant conclusions based upon that knowledge. Your endocrinologist may be right that some people react to stimulants in the manner you have described. The part you miss is that those individuals have a genetic predisposition to thyroid problems which gets exascerbated or awakened by use/abuse of certain stimulants.

You don't know shit about shit regarding this.

As I explained my family doctor LITERALLY CHECKED EVERYTHING, EVERY ANNUAL BLOOD TEST INCLUDING A TSH TO ENSURE EVERTYTHING WAS OKAY.

There is no family history of thyroid problems what so ever.

Like I already said I never had a condition active or dormant.

As for my family doctor he explained that he performs all the blood work written on those papers on EACH & EVERY PATIENT every annual blood test
WHETHER THEY HAVE A FAMILY HISTORY OF THOSE PROBLEMS OR NOT.

He is a thorough family doctor & believes in making sure "EVERYTHING" is fine whether his patient has a particular medical problem or not, whether their family has a history for a particular medical problem or not.

Just accept it that these supplements reacted badly with my system & gave me a hperthyroid condition with no prior thyroid condition.

Like it or not this is the way it is.

 

[Randy]

 

[BigDyl]

I still don't get high intensity Ducan. If i do 1 set, like I think you say you do, right? I can do the set and do as many reps as possible, the eccentric being controlled and the concetric being explosive. However, are you doing something different to make this one set more intense. You can only lift a weight so intense.

However, i do agree with the low volume priciples. I have been regualrly training larger muscle groups with around 6-8 sets. I just don't think 1 would work for me. Maybe I am missing something.

 

[Randy]

I think when he means high intesity, he means lifting to failure with heavy ass weight.
Verses someone doing 9-12 sets of 10 reps each with light to medium weight.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I still don't get high intensity Ducan. If i do 1 set, like I think you say you do, right? I can do the set and do as many reps as possible, the eccentric being controlled and the concetric being explosive. However, are you doing something different to make this one set more intense. You can only lift a weight so intense.

There are methods to increase intensity (DOGG CRAPP methodology, in example), but doing one set to momentary muscle failure where another rep is impossible or forcing reps with a spotter is an intense set.

Try doing a set of squats to where you literally can't do another rep. That's high intensity, and it's painful and very few people do it right.

I just don't think 1 would work for me.

I don't know why you think that, I believe it would work for everyone

 

[BigDyl]

I don't know why you think that, I believe it would work for everyone

Work, but would it be better than 6?

That's high intensity, and it's painful and very few people do it right.

How do you do it right beyond getting to the point of muscle failure?

Also by muscle failure, you mean you cannot complete the next rep or that you muscle stops working and you cannot lift ANY weight period?

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I don't know exactly why 6 would be better? For some reason you feel that doing 6 sets (BTW, if you did tried 6 sets of Squats in true intensity fashion, you'd probably never workout again) will offer more benefit than one, but if you're really going balls to wall you will be seriously overtrained..

I believed Chris Mason was a fan of HIT for a long time and then switched to a different lower volume routine that wasn't to failure. A lot of the times one true intense set will leave your CNS completely fried for upwards of a month...imagine what 4, 5 or more could do.

Muscle failure just means that you can't finish a rep even though you try as hard as you can.

 

[BigDyl]

I don't know exactly why 6 would be better? For some reason you feel that doing 6 sets (BTW, if you did tried 6 sets of Squats in true intensity fashion, you'd probably never workout again) will offer more benefit than one, but if you're really going balls to wall you will be seriously overtrained..

I understand this from reading some Mentzer articles. Say that 1 set done properly is enough. You say 6 sets high intensity is too much. Maybe I'm not getting what high intesity is because i feel that I have done that before, and I didnt feel like I wasnt going to work out again...

 

[BigDyl]

Essentially when you follow Mentzer, you are saying there are many ways to build a body with weights, but only one is the best for promoting hypertrophy. And, while many people on here feel it is nessasary to change there workouts so that they stay effective, like P/RR/S, the HIT method never needs to change because the one intense set sends the message to the muscle to grow.

Beyond that, I don't know what to think. Why are people sucessfull doing more volume at all? For instance, people like GoPro. (sorry if I sound like Johnny) I'm not trying to argue any case, but I see both ways as being sucessfull, is it that one is better than the other, or one is wrong, and the other right.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Frankly, I don't care what you believe or what you do. Progressive resistance is progressive resistance. If done correctly, one set is enough.

 

[BigDyl]

I'm not trying to argue man, more of a discussion rather than arguement.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I believe single set (along with high intensity methods) training and maximal intensity is the best way to improve one's functional, full ROM of strength. Hypertrophy will follow if you are eating right.

Other methods work, and I've done other methods, and I believe HIT far superior. That doesn't mean others don't work.

 

[BigDyl]

I believe single set (along with high intensity methods) training and maximal intensity is the best way to improve one's functional, full ROM of strength. Hypertrophy will follow if you are eating right.

Other methods work, and I've done other methods, and I believe HIT far superior. That doesn't mean others don't work.

 

[CowPimp]

It seems to me like a spotter is an absolute necessity for HIT to work properly. Do you agree, or do you think it's pretty workable without one?