Big Clenbutrx Deal!!!

[BruceWayNE]

I've only been here for a short amount of time, but it seems gopro is always under attack because of his affiliation and belief in vpx products. I found this board by typing in a search for some information on 1t and in the thread I found(the very first thread I've ever seen here) gopro was being attacked by a few members. I for one believe in vpx, know trainers who believe in vpx, and will continue to purchase from them as long as finances permit. So that may be why people like eggs and my self see it as more than an assault on vpx. This thread started out as an informative post on savings for a product that some people like. It wasn't a come on in and bash me thread. I know people have the freedom to give and share their thoughts and opinions, but spreading uncalled for negativity is immature in my opinion. Oh yeah cell tech worked wonders for me when I was just a 155lb skinny kid. Of course I've moved on to V12 because it's just as effective and cost less. Just

 

[David Tolson]

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
I like seeing the little "beta" pilot trials, they are pretty neat, but for any of them to hold water you would need to have an equal amount of placebo participants to compare the results to and come to an informed conclusion.

I definitely agree. Note that on my hieararchy open trials was pretty low, internet trials would be even lower. But it's still better than random feedback because at least it controls for a few of the major variables. And unfortunately very few volunteers come forward if you say there is going to be a placebo group.

Luckily, there are still quite a few supplements out there with clinical research.

 

[gopro]

There is a handfull of individuals that bash VPX at every chance they get. It happens over and over, ad nauseum, and it is old, boring, and not worth me spending TOO much time on. My days are ridiculously busy and spending time on the message boards is but a tiny part.

I do not need to defend VPX in any way. Personally I don't really care what you or any of the other jealous haters think. I used VPX products long before coming to work here. I sold them in my gym. I used them with clients. ALL for one reason...because overall they produce better results than any other supplement line in existence (although there are many other very good companies out there).

I see the research. I see the testing. I see all that goes into each product that VPX turns out. If VPX fired me tomorrow I'd still use most of their products. Real world results mean more than any biased scientific study out there, and when I see something produce amazing results over and over and over, THAT is what convinces me something works, whether a supplement or kitchen cleaner.

I consider myself a trainer way before I consider myself a VPX employee. I still maintain a huge client base over the web and my job is to get people into the best shape of their lives...something I do not take lightly. I look to be in the best possible shape year around. Another thing I don't take lightly. And with all of my clients and with myself I use mostly VPX products. This was before Aug 2003 when I started working here, and it will stay that way as long as VPX keeps producing wonderful, useful products.

Some think out advertising is the best in the business. Some hate it. Some think our prices are too high. Most feel that its worth the price. It is your choice to use or not to use our products. Luckily enough people have used and continue to use VPX so that we keep growing and they can keep paying me the way they do. For every bash I hear about VPX I get 10 emails praising us. This tells me something.

Anyway, go ahead and say what you wish, but I know the facts, and they are simply that VPX puts out quality. That makes me quite comfortable in what I do, and very happy to recommend our products to family and friends b/c I know it will do them good.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I think all this would be moot if WE all saw the testing. If you have good results in research, you should show them for all to see. I have no doubt VPX gets results. Considering how much they cost, I don't doubt they have their own trials. I would figure with such a good advertising department they would capitalize on good results and publish them or at least make them known to the public.

By the way, I know Clenbutrx works, I have tried it. I would never pay full price for it, but I think it is a good supplement. not as good as say, micellean, but still pretty good.

 

[MarcusMaximus]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
My, my, my, you are the conspiracy theorist. Start a thread. I guarantee that none of the sponsors pull anything, and several company reps that peruse the board would probably join in (myself included).

Also, most of the threads you are speaking of are legit posts by respected members of the board. Others are legit posts by company reps (so long as they disclose thier affiliation, etc.). There can be problems where company reps post as unbiased members, and that is shady, and fraudulent, in my opinion. Every effort should be made to flush out and expose such persons. Ultimately, Darwinism will reign, as exposing such trolls will do the company more harm then good.

So again, I state, please, discuss these important issues. We need to police our industry. But don't overgeneralize when doing so.

wow, i got 3 my's from you on that one. i feel special. now i can sit at the front of the bus.


your comment about shady, fraudulent posts are exactly those of which i speak. the every effort made to expose and flush out comment mirrors my own sentiments.

there is no overgeneralization made; many companies do indeed pull their sponsorship of events/contests/boards when enough negative noise is made about their products or company itself. Or when it seems that they are not wanted or appreciated. if suddenly someone were to start a thread about how , oh i dont know, allthewhey protein powder sucks ( it doesn't ) and kept that particular thread going somehow, then i don't imagine that Prince would be thrilled
.
hopefully such a thread would die a horrible death on it's own.

As for the stupid ads, after a couple of comments about how bad they are, how the promises made in the ads don't reflect the reality, there would be little else to say.
one of the stupidest ads i ever saw was for Twinlab Mass Fuel or whatever, it had Jim Quinn coming out of a space craft holding a bucket of the stuff. so apparently taking the product makes you so freaky that you could be taken for an alien. he was freaky looking though but the product had little if anything to do with it.

so we seem to be in total agreement in principle.

 

[MarcusMaximus]

Originally posted by David Tolson
Don't confuse negative advertisement and honesty. Keep in mind that BN/1fast does sell VPX products. The fact that I am willing to tell consumers what I actually think of the products rather than just pimping them should say something positive about the company, not negative. You will always get my honest opinion.

negative advertisement with honesty? actually i was referring to your practice of negative commentary about VPX. and i didn't in fact confuse that with honesty: quite the opposite. Rather than make me think ill of the object of derision, it made me think LESS of the person posting. which sadly was you...

But now, all is well, i realize that it wasn't a personal spat with gopro. YOu have a beef with the company. However, you would do well next time to rephrase your comments. No one was defending gopro by the way. We were commenting upon the inappropriateness of your post. But enough on that.

FYI, i knew immediately what you were getting at and agreed with the general thrust of your ironic commentary. it just should have been directed elsewhere. My posts on this board have been overwhelmingly AGAINST all the blatant shilling going on. And the adverts are pretty stupid and lack creativity. They are indeed, as you said, directed towards the uninformed and impulsive ( teenagers usually ).

 

[MarcusMaximus]

Originally posted by Jodi
Thanks, damn cold for the past few days. Sore throat to boot.

Oh and the word Syntrax brings a thought to my mind.

thought? ok, i'll bite..
syntax?

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
wow, i got 3 my's from you on that one. i feel special. now i can sit at the front of the bus.


your comment about shady, fraudulent posts are exactly those of which i speak. the every effort made to expose and flush out comment mirrors my own sentiments.

there is no overgeneralization made; many companies do indeed pull their sponsorship of events/contests/boards when enough negative noise is made about their products or company itself. Or when it seems that they are not wanted or appreciated. if suddenly someone were to start a thread about how , oh i dont know, allthewhey protein powder sucks ( it doesn't ) and kept that particular thread going somehow, then i don't imagine that Prince would be thrilled
.
hopefully such a thread would die a horrible death on it's own.

As for the stupid ads, after a couple of comments about how bad they are, how the promises made in the ads don't reflect the reality, there would be little else to say.
one of the stupidest ads i ever saw was for Twinlab Mass Fuel or whatever, it had Jim Quinn coming out of a space craft holding a bucket of the stuff. so apparently taking the product makes you so freaky that you could be taken for an alien. he was freaky looking though but the product had little if anything to do with it.

so we seem to be in total agreement in principle.

Yeah, I think we are in agreement.

 

[David Tolson]

Originally posted by gopro
I see the research. I see the testing. I see all that goes into each product that VPX turns out.

There are no way to verify any of these claims. They could be made by anyone. Without evidence they are meaningless.

Real world results mean more than any biased scientific study out there

That is absurd. Are you saying that personal feedback is less biased than good science?

As I said this is an issue that will prove useless debating. I gave my reasons why one should listen to good science, people can take it or leave it.

Some think out advertising is the best in the business.

If by "best," you mean sleaziest, and most effective at duping the unknowing, yes. Klein Becker being a close second. "Effective" advertising does not mean "good" advertising.

I don't see how someone who wrote the ad saying "Methyl-1-test has very few side effects" can go to sleep at night.

Some think our prices are too high. Most feel that its worth the price.

Charge more, and people will think the product is better, even if it's exactly the same. That's basic psychology.

It's like expensive restaurants. You know what their secret is? Smaller serving sizes. That way, the customers don't stuff themselves. The more you eat, the worse food tastes. Because people will only be eating while they are hungry they will think the food tasted better. It's good psychology. But it's a bad deal. The same goes for VPX products.

 

[MarcusMaximus]

this is better than those threads involving "just a guy"..

 

[MarcusMaximus]

Originally posted by Jodi
Thanks, damn cold for the past few days. Sore throat to boot.

Oh and the word Syntrax brings a thought to my mind.

although i responded to this earlier, i just now discovered what you are talking about.

 

[Jodi]

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
although i responded to this earlier, i just now discovered what you are talking about.

Took you long enough

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by craig777

If Avant was under attack does anyone think that the Avant people here wouldn't immediately form a lynching party.

Lets find out...

AVANT PRODUCTS SUCK FARTS OUT OF DEAD CHICKENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
I think all this would be moot if WE all saw the testing.

Tests never put anything to rest. It always ends up that the people that know the most multi-syllable words put their own spin on the results and things, and just like before, nobody knows shiat...just like at the beginning. I get sick of all the cross examination bullshit personally.

 

[Dale Mabry]

You can't put spin on numbers and if you are doing good research no one should be able to shoot holes in it. I agree with the multi-syllable words thing, though. I have to constantly tell my boss to dumb things down so that the general public will understand what we are looking at. I follow a general rule when reporting stuff, you should find the lowest level of education of your audience and describe stuff in a manner one step below that.

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
You can't put spin on numbers and if you are doing good research no one should be able to shoot holes in it.

If that were true, 90% of the lawyers would be out of business. lol

I agree with the multi-syllable words thing, though. I have to constantly tell my boss to dumb things down so that the general public will understand what we are looking at. I follow a general rule when reporting stuff, you should find the lowest level of education of your audience and describe stuff in a manner one step below that.

Good rule Dale. Always keep things on the bottom shelf...where everyone can reach it. If people have to impress "bottom shelfers" with the big words, they are suffering from some serious acceptance issues. lol

 

[craig777]

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Lets find out...

AVANT PRODUCTS SUCK FARTS OUT OF DEAD CHICKENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[craig777]

I will add my .02 cents

I have tried numerous "Fat burners" and Clenbutrx far far surpasses any that I have tried.

but I looked at the deal on the VPX website "buy 3 get 4 free" for $197.00.

1fast400 sells 120cc for $34.99 so that deal is more like "buy 5 get 2 free". It is still a deal but not as advertised.

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Lets find out...

AVANT PRODUCTS SUCK FARTS OUT OF DEAD CHICKENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are about to release a product that is, in fact, specifically designed to do just that.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by craig777
I will add my .02 cents

I have tried numerous "Fat burners" and Clenbutrx far far surpasses any that I have tried.

but I looked at the deal on the VPX website "buy 3 get 4 free" for $197.00.

1fast400 sells 120cc for $34.99 so that deal is more like "buy 5 get 2 free". It is still a deal but not as advertised.

For those that choose to buy directly from us (and EVERY company that sells direct charges full retail) that is a HUGE deal. For those that are aware of online wholesalers like 1fast, DPS, ProSource, 1supplement, etc, of course you know you can get it cheaper.

Any person that asks me in the gym or anywhere else where they should buy VPX learns quickly about these wholesalers as I would never have them go direct.

 

[nikegurl]

Originally posted by gopro
For those that choose to buy directly from us (and EVERY company that sells direct charges full retail) that is a HUGE deal. For those that are aware of online wholesalers like 1fast, DPS, ProSource, 1supplement, etc, of course you know you can get it cheaper.

Any person that asks me in the gym or anywhere else where they should buy VPX learns quickly about these wholesalers as I would never have them go direct.

that way everyone wins. consumer can buy it cheaper and vpx's wholesale customers get more business (which means they buy more product from vpx to replenish their stock)

 

[craig777]

Originally posted by nikegurl
that way everyone wins. consumer can buy it cheaper and vpx's wholesale customers get more business (which means they buy more product from vpx to replenish their stock)

I love VPX products.

 

[ZECH]

It's all about greed.......................

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by craig777
I love VPX products.

Thank goodness

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by nikegurl
that way everyone wins. consumer can buy it cheaper and vpx's wholesale customers get more business (which means they buy more product from vpx to replenish their stock)

Yup!

 

[camarosuper6]

Well, I thought Clenubrx was extremely powerful, and fast acting.

Thats about all I have to add to this topic.

 

[tomas101]

i like vpx..their mrp are damn good and my buddy loves the 1test and m1test better than any other companies m1test..but i only buy at whole never at retail

 

[GAmuscle26]

Originally posted by craig777
I love VPX products.

I do too. VPX has customer service, at least from my experience.

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
We are about to release a product that is, in fact, specifically designed to do just that.

Let me know when it's out. lol

 

[maze]

Where is the Clen???

I preffer Liquid Clen ... from research chemicals.