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Yes, during the Colorado State show, I was super lean. I didn't place because I was too lean and to muscular, and that is not how they want the figure girls to look. I was told to go back to bodybuilding. Thanks for asking
You're not the only woman I've heard of this happening to - a friend of mine came in second for a figure show because she was too ripped. I don't think she was 7% either.
Kinda like being too good-looking or too rich, ain't it?
Kinda like being too good-looking or too rich, ain't it?
You're not the only woman I've heard of this happening to - a friend of mine came in second for a figure show because she was too ripped. I don't think she was 7% either.
Kinda like being too good-looking or too rich, ain't it?
In deed it does suck, lol.
It was weird because I place 1st in a show 6 weeks before, a national qualifying show, then to not place at all. My ego was brused, but I kept at it. Rob says I was closer to 8 ~ 9% bf, either way, still sucked. I think that is when I decided this isn't the sport for me. I will always eat well and train hard, but competing is a whole neither world. My avatar pic was in the last show I did. Rob was super supportive, but I knew I wasn't ready to step on stage. I let too many personal things in my life at that time, set me back. I think at that time in my life, I gave up on my fitness goals and passions. I do not think I will ever compete again, but I want to stay and look hard and fit.
Happy New Year to you beautiful girl. Thanks for the challenge
The competition thing is a funny one. Personally, I'd rather diet and prep, then hire a really, REALLY good photographer. Cheaper, and you get to peak when YOU peak - not when you're TOLD to peak.
No weight classes, either.
No weight classes, either.
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Well it's a New Year and I've started moving forward from that Body Rx Scam diet. What a catastrophe. So, Happy New Year!
someone had asked for my diet.....
The usual 5 to 6 small meals a day consisting of whatever combo of the list below.
steeel cut oats with or w/out cinnamon, chopped pecans
hard boiled eggs
eggs cooked any way
grilled or baked fish
eggplant-rarely
portobello mushrooms-w/tomatoes and cheese-2x month
spinach
brussel sprouts
asparagus
broccoli
baked yams
tuna
1-2 glasses red wine couple times a month
peanut butter couple times a month
I am hoping to be able to check out those books this weekend. Thanks for the tips
someone had asked for my diet.....
The usual 5 to 6 small meals a day consisting of whatever combo of the list below.
steeel cut oats with or w/out cinnamon, chopped pecans
hard boiled eggs
eggs cooked any way
grilled or baked fish
eggplant-rarely
portobello mushrooms-w/tomatoes and cheese-2x month
spinach
brussel sprouts
asparagus
broccoli
baked yams
tuna
1-2 glasses red wine couple times a month
peanut butter couple times a month
I am hoping to be able to check out those books this weekend. Thanks for the tips
That is an amazing meal plan. You should reach your goals in no time. Good luck!
That's interesting - you and I have completely different opinions of her diet plan. Why do you think it's amazing? I think it's ghastly!
Amazing at the fact that one could cut so many things out of their diet. Will she keep to eating like this for a long period of time, most likely not. I think it is a great plan if you are trying to lose fat and to lean up. It is more of a competition diet, if anything.
I also think that once you really clean up your diet, you start to look and feel better. I know for myself, when I have a greasy fattening meal, I feel like shit. I think she is heading in the right direction for life time eating choices.
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I agree with you that she's at least trying to sort out what to do, but you said it yourself: "Will she keep to eating like this for a long period of time, most likely not." By definition, this means she's making a poor choice in terms of how to achieve - and maintain - her losses.
Maybe it's a perspective thing, Gena Marie - you are and have long been a competitive physique athlete. You understand how to compartmentalize hunger in order to focus on the endpoint.
I was a fat chick for twenty years. My number one lifestyle concern is hunger.
I will NOT do "hungry". Even when I dieted down to my avatar and profile pix, I didn't go hungry or overtrain. The worst I dealt with was "I COULD eat more", plus the odd food craving. I diet on high-fats; I ate chocolate (not much, but some) every day and I took regular full-blown cheat meals along the way.
In maintenance as I currently am, I eat a very high fat diet (more than half my calories come from fat), three large meals a day eaten fairly close together, no snacks and I postpone my first meal of the day until as close to noon as I can manage. I eat no grain and I eat cheese daily. I also eat a lot of vegetables, always oiled or buttered. And I don't worry if there's some fat on the meats I consume. I eat red meat daily.
I've kept the weight off for going on ten years now (recall 95% regain what they lost within two years), and I've been able to do this because I pay attention to the tricks that keep me feeling fed. Keeping my fats high, grains low, and reducing meal frequency have been key to my own continuing success.
I am aware that what makes one person feel full doesn't always extend to all, but for many of us who have been fat, hunger is permanently disproportionnate to our metabolic requirements. The tricks I employ I have learned through a combination of peer-reviewed research and trial-and-error. Every time I read something new that might help me stay full, I try it - and if it works, I use it. Meal frequency is one of those - there appears to be a "meal threshold" for lasting satiety, and meals that are too small won't trigger it. The result is constant, low-level hunger, which in a former fatty like myself is utterly unbearable; for those who have not been obese, it may be tolerable, I don't know because I can't. I imagine it is, or nobody would have tried it. What comforts me is the knowledge that frequent feedings are neither advantageous nor necessary, because there is no way on God's green earth I could have felt that unfed for the last ten years!
Built, you have obviously found what works for you and that is amazing. You look fantastic. You bring up a lot of great points. No I have never been obese, so I do not know what it is like to have food as my priority and food cravings, well except while dieting down for competition. That is when the weird food dreams and extreme cravings come in to play for me. I am ok with that because it makes my end result all that more rewarding.
We all have our own issues with food. I can't do high fat meals or eat 3 large meals a day. I have struggled for over 15 years with bulimia. To me it is a mental illness. I do not like feeling full, I do not like the feeling of heavy fats in my stomach. That just doesn't work for me. I eat chocolate, I drink beer and I love Mexican and Italian foods. All things that are not all that good for you. What has worked for me is moderation. Small, frequent meals. Does this work for you, no. Who is to say what is the right way?
We all have to do our research and do things through trial and error to see what works for our own body types. You are right, she is making poor choices, but isn't all part of the whole trial and error thing? She will not know what works for her long term is she doesn't try.
We all have our own issues with food. I can't do high fat meals or eat 3 large meals a day. I have struggled for over 15 years with bulimia. To me it is a mental illness. I do not like feeling full, I do not like the feeling of heavy fats in my stomach. That just doesn't work for me. I eat chocolate, I drink beer and I love Mexican and Italian foods. All things that are not all that good for you. What has worked for me is moderation. Small, frequent meals. Does this work for you, no. Who is to say what is the right way?
We all have to do our research and do things through trial and error to see what works for our own body types. You are right, she is making poor choices, but isn't all part of the whole trial and error thing? She will not know what works for her long term is she doesn't try.
See that's just it. For you, it's short-term. For anyone who has been obese, that feeling of pre-contest prep is what normal dieting feels like when we're 20% bodyfat. It's not sustainable. Once you've been obese, the fat cells are there, and they're hungry. They never, ever go away and they never stop bitching for food. There is no profound reward of looking amazing for a few weeks, a few hours on a stage. There's just the prolonged drudgery of never really feeling fed. At lest, that's what six meals of low-fat food feels like, even at maintenance.
Dieted down fatties need fullness more than dieted-down normals, or the satiety signals don't kick in. This is particularly true of type II diabetics, who have for YEARS been told to eat small, frequent meals to control blood sugar. It turns out that there's a threshold for the insulin/incretin/etc hormonal cascade to kick in. Larger meals and periods of fasting offer better glycemic control to type II diabetics. These hormonal cascades are strongly implicated in satiety. Feeling well-fed year round on six meals daily is more an exception than a rule. Not impossible though. It does work for some. Just not most.
To anyone it is a mental illness, GM. I'm sorry you have to cope with this one.
It would work, if I could stick to it. It's so miserable, I can't. Moderation, of course, is another word for portion control, and it's the only actual way to keep weight off for anyone. It's just a matter of finding a way to do this and not mind.
What's not healthy about chocolate, beer, or Mexican or Italian food?
Not when there is science to support choices which are more likely to find her success. Randomly trying things isn't smart. You can't live long enough to try them all and sooner or later you get disappointed and quit. I almost did. We can at least offer her paradigms that are more likely to work than to encourage her to use lousy ones just because "at least she's doing trial and error".
She needs to start from a reasonably likely starting point. The one she's using fails for 95% of those who try it.
The small frequent meal thing works for some in spite of how our bodies are set up, not because of it. There is grounded, peer-reviewed science to support larger, less-frequent feedings as being more satiating. Most of the stuff that worked on me works on the worst metabolic disasters. Eating disorders are a whole 'nother ballgame. I was fat, but I never had any issues with food. I never felt guilty over food, never punished myself over food or rewarded myself with it. I was just hungry. Once I figured out how to not be hungry, the rest was just a matter of putting in the time. That part's hard enough even with the RIGHT information. No point having her waste time on stuff that will only set her up.
What's not healthy about chocolate, beer, or Mexican or Italian food?
Chocolate is loaded with fat and calories, beer slows down your metabolism when you drink as much as I do and Mexican and Italian foods, the way I like them, are loaded in fat and carbs.
I am quiet naive when it comes to a lot of what you are saying. I have not educated myself as well as maybe I should, but never the less, girl, I think you need to take it down a notch or two. Someone is coming here looking for advice and you choose to jump all over/debate people who don't have the same beliefs as you. To me, it seems like this thread is giving mixed signals. It is going against why this board exists in the 1st place.
Just my opinion.
Chocolate is loaded with fat and calories, beer slows down your metabolism when you drink as much as I do and Mexican and Italian foods, the way I like them, are loaded in fat and carbs.
I am quiet naive when it comes to a lot of what you are saying. I have not educated myself as well as maybe I should, but never the less, girl, I think you need to take it down a notch or two. Someone is coming here looking for advice and you choose to jump all over/debate people who don't have the same beliefs as you. To me, it seems like this thread is giving mixed signals. It is going against why this board exists in the 1st place.
Just my opinion.
You are posting about your beliefs and your personal experience as a fitness competitor who has never been fat and who has an eating disorder. All valid, important information.
I am posting the leading edge of scientific discovery surrounding diet and training. I have come through 20 years of obesity with no disordered eating, and have kept the weight off for almost ten years because I've kept my ear very close to the ground and applied the best of what we now know about diet and satiety. I have no beliefs. Prove me wrong, give me a better way that's easier and more effective, and I will happily recant everything I've ever written.
No disrespect GM, but I won't just go along with the status quo to keep the peace. I can back up every statement I've made with recent, peer-reviewed research and I have many people on this board whom I have helped because I keep current.
The fats in chocolate are healthy fats. Sugar is just calories; your body knows what to do with them. Beer doesn't slow your metabolism; the alcohol is burned first and if you're a man, alcohol temporarily reduces testosterone output, but that's it. The fats in Mexican and Italian food are fine - Mexican's use a lot of lard, which is a very healthy fat to consume. Italians use a lot of olive oil, which is also a very healthy fat to consume. I hate to be a harbinger of good news, GM, but none of your "cheat" foods is bad for you! Be happy!
I am posting the leading edge of scientific discovery surrounding diet and training. I have come through 20 years of obesity with no disordered eating, and have kept the weight off for almost ten years because I've kept my ear very close to the ground and applied the best of what we now know about diet and satiety. I have no beliefs. Prove me wrong, give me a better way that's easier and more effective, and I will happily recant everything I've ever written.
No disrespect GM, but I won't just go along with the status quo to keep the peace. I can back up every statement I've made with recent, peer-reviewed research and I have many people on this board whom I have helped because I keep current.
The fats in chocolate are healthy fats. Sugar is just calories; your body knows what to do with them. Beer doesn't slow your metabolism; the alcohol is burned first and if you're a man, alcohol temporarily reduces testosterone output, but that's it. The fats in Mexican and Italian food are fine - Mexican's use a lot of lard, which is a very healthy fat to consume. Italians use a lot of olive oil, which is also a very healthy fat to consume. I hate to be a harbinger of good news, GM, but none of your "cheat" foods is bad for you! Be happy!
Gotta go with Built on this one, being a former fatty. I'd much rather have 3 or 4 filling meals than 6-10. I had a situation like this with a friend who insisted I eat the way Gena found useful when he trained me. This was the only way he knew how to do things and it was to close-minded for me. I hated it, and found that I was eating off-balance with my family and could and couldnt sit with them with meals. I was brought up to believe that having meals together is important and very crucial to my family's well being. I brought this tradition to my own family and we still to this day have many meals together out of tradition.
I hated eating this way also because I never felt satisfied. In short, it didnt work and I was fucking miserable because I was always looking for the next "fix". I felt bound to a clock. With Built's help, I was able to see other ways of doing things and found what worked long term.
I hated eating this way also because I never felt satisfied. In short, it didnt work and I was fucking miserable because I was always looking for the next "fix". I felt bound to a clock. With Built's help, I was able to see other ways of doing things and found what worked long term.
You are posting about your beliefs and your personal experience as a fitness competitor who has never been fat and who has an eating disorder. All valid, important information.
I am posting the leading edge of scientific discovery surrounding diet and training. I have come through 20 years of obesity with no disordered eating, and have kept the weight off for almost ten years because I've kept my ear very close to the ground and applied the best of what we now know about diet and satiety. I have no beliefs. Prove me wrong, give me a better way that's easier and more effective, and I will happily recant everything I've ever written.
No disrespect GM, but I won't just go along with the status quo to keep the peace. I can back up every statement I've made with recent, peer-reviewed research and I have many people on this board whom I have helped because I keep current.
The fats in chocolate are healthy fats. Sugar is just calories; your body knows what to do with them. Beer doesn't slow your metabolism; the alcohol is burned first and if you're a man, alcohol temporarily reduces testosterone output, but that's it. The fats in Mexican and Italian food are fine - Mexican's use a lot of lard, which is a very healthy fat to consume. Italians use a lot of olive oil, which is also a very healthy fat to consume. I hate to be a harbinger of good news, GM, but none of your "cheat" foods is bad for you! Be happy!
Built,
You are extremely intelligent. Again, you know far more about this issue then I do and perhaps it is because I have never been obese, therefore, I do not keep up on the latest and greatest. I feel lucky that I have found a life style that works for me.
I do eat cheat meals, 2 ~3 times a week. I have a little chocolate most everyday like you. I do know the difference between good and bad fats. Rob is part Italian, so I cook Italian food all the time.
I don't feel any disrespect what so ever. You know what you know and you are sharing your knowledge with whom ever wants it. You do your research and it shows. You are a great asset to have.
Much love and respect
You know as I stated in past posts, we all have to find what works for them. With Builts help, you found your way. That way does not work for me. I was a 3 meal a day girl and was miserable. I am not on a strict 5 ~ 10 meal a day person. I eat when I get hungry. For me, that works.
To the OP - as you can see, there are many ways to achieve your goals. The most successful way is the way that best fits your lifestyle - so its not a diet (i.e. DIE w/ a T), but rather the "way" you live & eat. For many there is a huge push to do an extreme and rigid diet to get "quick results". I like the BFL style because its essentially your 3 usual meals and a couple snacks in between. But better, I like that it gives you a clean list of foods (not a meal plan) and gives you the flexibility to try it and see what works best for your taste in foods, gives you a scheduled cheat meal (this is more of an outlet for people who have to work on cleaning up their diet in general - its the random cheats that kill progress). Its also about paying attention to your portions. Another huge source of setting yourself up for failure.
Personally I grew up w/ the extra 10-15 lb. I dropped weight in college when I started swimming laps for an hour every nite - it was more for stress management than specificaly for weight loss. Back then I didn't know much about successful dieting and was limited by the shit in the college dorm. But the consistent swimming worked wonders. I've also been a gym rat in one form or another since 1981 but it honestly wasn't until I did my first show in 2000 that I was able to pull the diet, training and cardio together to come down to 8% bodyfat. I dropped 18 lb over a 4 month period. The final 4-5% bodyfat would be more extreme than a non-competitor would be interested in, but it was still the diet & cardio that made the difference, and in both cases the consistency.
RE: diet I've been doing the 6 small meals thing since the mid 90s and its just how I like to eat these days. My body type doesn't respond well w/ either high fat or high carb so I keep both of them more moderate. If I am hungry I will eat accordingly tho. But awarenesss of what I'm eating and how much of it is the more important thing. I've done some extreme diets in my time that I don't recommend, even for competition.
Pick an approach and stick w/ it for an honest 3 weeks and take note of what satiates you, what doesn't, when you get hungry, when you don't. At the least, sticking to controlled portions will help clean out general sugar cravings and get you to where you can appreciate the taste of good clean food w/o all the crap. That alone is a great feeling. I found things like I can digest better and generally feel a lot more comfortable. But also you want to fuel for your energy demands so pay attention to how you feel going into the gym and also how you feel coming out.
Personally I grew up w/ the extra 10-15 lb. I dropped weight in college when I started swimming laps for an hour every nite - it was more for stress management than specificaly for weight loss. Back then I didn't know much about successful dieting and was limited by the shit in the college dorm. But the consistent swimming worked wonders. I've also been a gym rat in one form or another since 1981 but it honestly wasn't until I did my first show in 2000 that I was able to pull the diet, training and cardio together to come down to 8% bodyfat. I dropped 18 lb over a 4 month period. The final 4-5% bodyfat would be more extreme than a non-competitor would be interested in, but it was still the diet & cardio that made the difference, and in both cases the consistency.
RE: diet I've been doing the 6 small meals thing since the mid 90s and its just how I like to eat these days. My body type doesn't respond well w/ either high fat or high carb so I keep both of them more moderate. If I am hungry I will eat accordingly tho. But awarenesss of what I'm eating and how much of it is the more important thing. I've done some extreme diets in my time that I don't recommend, even for competition.
Pick an approach and stick w/ it for an honest 3 weeks and take note of what satiates you, what doesn't, when you get hungry, when you don't. At the least, sticking to controlled portions will help clean out general sugar cravings and get you to where you can appreciate the taste of good clean food w/o all the crap. That alone is a great feeling. I found things like I can digest better and generally feel a lot more comfortable. But also you want to fuel for your energy demands so pay attention to how you feel going into the gym and also how you feel coming out.
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Thanks ladies. It is actually my old diet I returning too. I have managed to find a comfortable place there for several years now with the occasional cheat of course. I'm kind of weird when it comes to food. I don't like to eat a lot of any one thing at a time and don't like feeling weighted and full so eating many small meals comes naturally. I usually am pretty lean because of it too I think. That's probably why I ballooned, at least for me. My body went into shock from all that fat, etc. It kinda grossed me out really.
I have to confess that I keep dark chocolate in my fridge and steal a bite every once in a while. I also can't resist that fresh baked bread at a good restaurant. Other than that I'm pretty consistent.
I didn't get to go to the bookstore this weekend but am definitely looking into those books. I think I am going to hook up with my old trainer soon and see if we can put together a new routine for me.
Congratulations definitely on keeping the weight off for so long. You look amazing!
I have to confess that I keep dark chocolate in my fridge and steal a bite every once in a while. I also can't resist that fresh baked bread at a good restaurant. Other than that I'm pretty consistent.
I didn't get to go to the bookstore this weekend but am definitely looking into those books. I think I am going to hook up with my old trainer soon and see if we can put together a new routine for me.
Congratulations definitely on keeping the weight off for so long. You look amazing!
very well put!
the bottom line is we are all individuals and no one approach works well for everyone, which is what Gena was trying to say.
With respect, fat-loss is the same for everyone: eat less than you need; do something to hang onto muscle.
Ignoring lifestyle, preference and comfort, (and barring profound illness), what works for one will work for 100% of all humans. We are all more similar than different. Were this not true, there would be no point studying anatomy, physiology, endocrinology and human kinetics.
Satiety, on the other hand, has far more variability, even for the same person at different states of health, leanness and physical conditioning, not to mention age. Healthy normals find carbohydrates satiating because they stimulate an insulin response. Protein suppresses ghrelin and stimulates leptin and CCK. Fat stimulates CCK also. But in the obese, ghrelin rebound (which stimulates hunger) may occur following carbohydrate consumption, particularly if protein intake is insufficient.
In bulimia, postprandial CCK is delayed relative to "normals", and may not kick in until 40 minutes after a meal, which leads to binging because the person is still hungry, even while full-to-bursting. (there are tricks to avoiding this and if anyone with bulimia is reading this, PM me for details).
Formerly-obese people often (usually) have impaired satiety issues for life, meaning once we diet off the weight, we generally don't respond the same as "normals" to ordinary satiety cues, such as insulin-response and fullness. The problem becomes apparent when a former-fatty like me or Juggernaut tries to use a method that generally only works well on never-truly-fat physique-athletes such as Gena Marie, who dieted down from "healthy-lean" to "contest lean" for her shows but who has never put on the volume of fat-cells an obese person carries.
This does much to explain why lowfat, high-fibre diets resplendent with whole grains do shit to make folks like me feel full, although this same mix may make a never-fat athlete feel just fine as he or she diets down to single-digit bodyfat.
It also explains the often-quoted "95% will gain it back" observation about fat people who lose weight. Fat people are never normal again, even after we become lean, so following a diet that may work fine for most normals is likely to fail for us because we'll be too hungry.
If you want to lose it, eat less. That part's simple. If you want to KEEP it off, learn how to feel fed - and recognize that current research backs up the observation that many of us former fatties have noticed: small, frequent feedings keep us unsatisfied and kinda hungry all day - even though this paradigm has been the mainstay of mainstream fitness lore for many generations. As Prince, Sassy and others have noted, meal frequency is not at all important to your goals - that part's just a matter of eating the right number of calories.
Preplan and pack up your food. Eat it whenever it suits you - when it's gone, it's gone and if you stick to that, you'll hit whatever goals you set for yourself. But don't just fall into the "everybody's different" trap. There are broad strokes that fit almost everybody: eat enough protein, eat enough healthy fat, don't overtrain to lose weight and don't run too strong of a deficit for too long. The other parts, things like eating/not eating grains, meal frequency, food selection and so on are the points of individuation regarding satiety and compliance.
Ignoring lifestyle, preference and comfort, (and barring profound illness), what works for one will work for 100% of all humans. We are all more similar than different. Were this not true, there would be no point studying anatomy, physiology, endocrinology and human kinetics.
Satiety, on the other hand, has far more variability, even for the same person at different states of health, leanness and physical conditioning, not to mention age. Healthy normals find carbohydrates satiating because they stimulate an insulin response. Protein suppresses ghrelin and stimulates leptin and CCK. Fat stimulates CCK also. But in the obese, ghrelin rebound (which stimulates hunger) may occur following carbohydrate consumption, particularly if protein intake is insufficient.
In bulimia, postprandial CCK is delayed relative to "normals", and may not kick in until 40 minutes after a meal, which leads to binging because the person is still hungry, even while full-to-bursting. (there are tricks to avoiding this and if anyone with bulimia is reading this, PM me for details).
Formerly-obese people often (usually) have impaired satiety issues for life, meaning once we diet off the weight, we generally don't respond the same as "normals" to ordinary satiety cues, such as insulin-response and fullness. The problem becomes apparent when a former-fatty like me or Juggernaut tries to use a method that generally only works well on never-truly-fat physique-athletes such as Gena Marie, who dieted down from "healthy-lean" to "contest lean" for her shows but who has never put on the volume of fat-cells an obese person carries.
This does much to explain why lowfat, high-fibre diets resplendent with whole grains do shit to make folks like me feel full, although this same mix may make a never-fat athlete feel just fine as he or she diets down to single-digit bodyfat.
It also explains the often-quoted "95% will gain it back" observation about fat people who lose weight. Fat people are never normal again, even after we become lean, so following a diet that may work fine for most normals is likely to fail for us because we'll be too hungry.
If you want to lose it, eat less. That part's simple. If you want to KEEP it off, learn how to feel fed - and recognize that current research backs up the observation that many of us former fatties have noticed: small, frequent feedings keep us unsatisfied and kinda hungry all day - even though this paradigm has been the mainstay of mainstream fitness lore for many generations. As Prince, Sassy and others have noted, meal frequency is not at all important to your goals - that part's just a matter of eating the right number of calories.
Preplan and pack up your food. Eat it whenever it suits you - when it's gone, it's gone and if you stick to that, you'll hit whatever goals you set for yourself. But don't just fall into the "everybody's different" trap. There are broad strokes that fit almost everybody: eat enough protein, eat enough healthy fat, don't overtrain to lose weight and don't run too strong of a deficit for too long. The other parts, things like eating/not eating grains, meal frequency, food selection and so on are the points of individuation regarding satiety and compliance.
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This is one of the best responses I've ever read on a forum regardless of subject matter.
Excellent thread folks. Keep it up!
Well put MA. I'd rep you, but the cans got in the way.
lmao!
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Emma, were you a member on this board previously?
I like reading all the info in this thread, and I've read some peer reviewed articles on the 3 meals a day being better for fat loss. Personally I don't respond well to this, I usually end up over eating. I suppose if I could track macros it'd be better. I always responded well on CKD(but 5-6 meals), high protein and fat, with carb refeeds.
I like reading all the info in this thread, and I've read some peer reviewed articles on the 3 meals a day being better for fat loss. Personally I don't respond well to this, I usually end up over eating. I suppose if I could track macros it'd be better. I always responded well on CKD(but 5-6 meals), high protein and fat, with carb refeeds.
Premier, I'm unconvinced 3 or 6 is better or worse for fat loss. I CAN tell you that for people with impaired metabolic control (read: the obese; type II diabetics; former-fatties) eating three larger meals makes it easier to eat at or below maintenance. I was fat, and borderline diabetic so this is indeed germane to my own condition. If you have never been fat and have reasonably high maintenance calories (in other words, each of your meals is still of a substantial size), you may well find eating more frequently works better for you.
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Well honestly eating CKD and 5+ meals I was always starving. But I could deal with it.. By chewing packs of gum daily ha!
If satiety is a big deal then I know you know more than myself. Didn't you have some good soup recipes that were[satiating]? maybe post links
If satiety is a big deal then I know you know more than myself. Didn't you have some good soup recipes that were[satiating]? maybe post links
